Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 03:04 PM 11/19/2004, Brian Behlendorf wrote: This may be completely inappropriate for this list... but this, is so, *wrong*. And no matter what side of the political spectrum you sit on, I know transparency and auditability and trust is important to you - that's why you're here at Apache.

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 20 November 2004 05:04, Brian Behlendorf wrote: This may be completely inappropriate for this list... Yes it is. ASF is not political, and AFAIU fairly international, and for the non-USA community, this doesn't concern us any more than dirty politics in other countries. but

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: The way you make the bed, is the way you are going to sleep. Niclas, in case you didn't notice, the ASF is *NOT* a democracy. -- Stefano. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 20 November 2004 17:38, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: The way you make the bed, is the way you are going to sleep. in case you didn't notice, the ASF is *NOT* a democracy. I wasn't making a comment from a democratic PoV. And if any 'democratic' principles, such

RE: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: The only result (if proved true) is the complete loss of faith in any form of electronic voting by the general public for at least the next 20 years. You're kidding, right? Is there anyone here who has faith in unauditable systems? Electronic voting, at least as

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Serge Knystautas
Noel J. Bergman wrote: systems? Electronic voting, at least as practiced here in the USA, is a farce, and a disaster either waiting to happen, or already happening. And I'm wondering who (whether in Apache or elsewhere) will build the first open source electronic voting system. :) -- Serge

RE: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Martin van den Bemt
On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 18:08, Noel J. Bergman wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: The only result (if proved true) is the complete loss of faith in any form of electronic voting by the general public for at least the next 20 years. You're kidding, right? Is there anyone here who has

RE: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 11:08 AM 11/20/2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: The only result (if proved true) is the complete loss of faith in any form of electronic voting by the general public for at least the next 20 years. You're kidding, right? Is there anyone here who has faith in

RE: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Serge Knystautas wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Electronic voting, at least as practiced here in the USA, is a farce, and a disaster either waiting to happen, or already happening. I'm wondering who (whether in Apache or elsewhere) will build the first open source electronic voting

RE: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Let's make certain you read me right. I said General Public. right now, in general, they trust the 'machine' more than people. Once confidence is destroyed, no manner of encryption/transaction tracking/electronic audit will satisfy them. And this is a bad

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Serge Knystautas writes: Noel J. Bergman wrote: systems? Electronic voting, at least as practiced here in the USA, is a farce, and a disaster either waiting to happen, or already happening. And I'm wondering who (whether in Apache or

Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-19 Thread Brian Behlendorf
This may be completely inappropriate for this list... but this, is so, *wrong*. And no matter what side of the political spectrum you sit on, I know transparency and auditability and trust is important to you - that's why you're here at Apache. And yes, this is news; not a rehash of what you