RE: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-22 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: Will the ASF shield me? In normal cases - yes as it is in the interest of the ASF community and codebase long term. And we are in it for the long term. However if you go outside the CLA and the normal oversight process and that is what causes the

RE: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2004 01:21 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ?? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: Will the ASF shield me? In normal cases - yes

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html The Jini technology is going Open Source and I think that is great, and even though I tried hard, it will not be under a ASL2.0 license, most likely the MIT license. Furthermore,

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html The Jini technology is going Open Source and I think that is great, and even though I tried hard, it will not be under a ASL2.0 license,

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 21 Dec 2004, at 19:52, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: snip Furthermore, it was explained to me that the patent right disclaimers in the ASL2.0 can be circumvented in nasty ways by a truly malicious company/individual if that is the intent, SO

Re: Is ASL2.0 not 'GPL-compatible' ??

2004-12-21 Thread Antonio Gallardo
On Mar, 21 de Diciembre de 2004, 14:15, robert burrell donkin dijo: On 21 Dec 2004, at 19:52, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: snip Furthermore, it was explained to me that the patent right disclaimers in the ASL2.0 can be circumvented in

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Furthermore, it was explained to me that the patent right disclaimers in the ASL2.0 can be circumvented in nasty ways by a truly malicious company/individual if that is the

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Erik Abele
On 21.12.2004, at 21:15, robert burrell donkin wrote: by this time next year, software patent violations are most likely to be enforceable by criminal sanction. any company wanted to maliciously damage an open source project would only have to target individual european release managers using

RE: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 21:59 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ?? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Scott Sanders
On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: There is a lot of due process to ensure that any release which goes out is an ASF release and that any deceisions are taken by the committers with a proper vote and with proper oversight by the board of directors. As long as committers stick to

RE: Is ASL2.0 not 'GPL-compatible' ??

2004-12-21 Thread Antonio Gallardo
On Mar, 21 de Diciembre de 2004, 15:17, Stephen McConnell dijo: Will the ASF shield me? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Stephen. Why not Stephen? In all stuff related to the ASF I guess the answer is a clear yes as whatever other ASF committer or member. Why you doubt it? AFAIK there is no a

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 04:59, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: pliant european legal system (UK law, for example). i don't see any way in which the ASF could act to help release managers faced with the criminal law in europe Also note

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 05:23, Scott Sanders wrote: On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Will the ASF shield me? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Why do you say things like this? Do you fail to understand this is the primary reason for the establishment of the ASF.

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Rainer Klute
Am Dienstag, den 21.12.2004, 20:15 + schrieb robert burrell donkin: in europe at least, it's very likely that this won't really matter. by this time next year, software patent violations are most likely to be enforceable by criminal sanction. ... I don't think so. The winds are changing

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Scott Sanders wrote: On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Will the ASF shield me? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Stephen. Why do you say things like this? Do you fail to understand this is the primary reason for the establishment of the ASF. s/Do//

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 03:52 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Now, hasn't their been licensing disputes from (L)GPL camps, IIRC JBoss?? Where they were accusing the ASF of breach of licensing. Can't ASF pay back with the same coins, referring to their own authority (FSF) about that the

RE: Is ASL2.0 not 'GPL-compatible' ??

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:28 -0600, Antonio Gallardo wrote: On Mar, 21 de Diciembre de 2004, 15:17, Stephen McConnell dijo: AFAIK there is no a clausule telling: All committers or members, except Stephen ;-) You don't seem to have access to the purple files... Regards

RE: Is ASL2.0 not 'GPL-compatible' ??

2004-12-21 Thread Antonio Gallardo
On Mar, 21 de Diciembre de 2004, 17:12, Henning Schmiedehausen dijo: On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:28 -0600, Antonio Gallardo wrote: On Mar, 21 de Diciembre de 2004, 15:17, Stephen McConnell dijo: AFAIK there is no a clausule telling: All committers or members, except Stephen ;-) You don't seem

Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
2.0 license. /quote So how is it? Is ASL2.0 GPL compatible or is it not? If it is NOT, then there are a lot of swamp out there in the Linux world, where Apache products are used to create larger apps which are GPLed. Please note the direction here... IOW, Can I re-license an ASL2.0 product

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Joshua Slive
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/ http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html Joshua. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: ... Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 20 December 2004 23:54, Joshua Slive wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/ http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html thanks!!! -- +--//---+ /

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Monday 20 December 2004 23:54, Joshua Slive wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/ http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html thanks!!! Of far more