I would have thought it would be nice to avoid an extra chip. I noticed
after a quick scan through the documentation on the flash currently
being used by the Neo that there is one 16K block of OTP memory. Of
course this would only be any good if it could be mapped to the
addresses that get
Hi folks,
I would strongly support putting a no-way-writable ROM chip as this first
level boot loader. If there is no such option, I really wonder what is my
option if somehow it gets screwed up, other than the trash can? Is there an
always working solution to reset my moko?
Emre Turkay
On
Just had a further thought about what to do if the main bootstrap loader
gets trashed that maybe easier to implement. Rather than a stage 1
bootstrap loader looking to the USB interface for a replacement how
about looking on the SD card?
Simon
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 01:58 -0300, Werner
1. I hope, that there will be made SAR tests and results
will be very
low
Why? It may help with marketing, but the worst it could do
(unless it's several orders of magnitude beyond what current
phones) is make you a bit warm. Non-ionizing radiation is not
a cause of cancer.
5. hav developers though about creating it on kind of x86
compatible
platform ? I know, it could be more difficult to create energy
efficient device, but having PC in pocket (with ability to running
dos, windows after changing SD card) would be more than
excellent
yes, i
I was thinking about protecting memory with main phone
software (like
kernel, boot loader, main apps).
You'll (almost certainly) be able to do this as well: the new
MCU will allow you to specify which NAND Flash area can be
written to. Once this is set, it cannot be changed without
JTAG, via the debug port.
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Hi folks,I would strongly support putting a no-way-writable ROM chip as this first level
Marcin Wiacek wrote:
So, the scenario can be: spefifying area by virus and getting device to
reset to have full control...
At which time your (still protected) firmware sets the protection
again, and executes the regular code. But yes, if you add an
easily changeable vector before that point,
Simon Matthews wrote:
I would have thought it would be nice to avoid an extra chip.
Yeah, we tried, but it just doesn't seem to be possible :-( There
are some alternatives, but they then lead to other problems, such
as chips not being available in quantity, etc. (And we've had our
number of
This 8GB, of course, depends on support by our hardware...
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Will the iPhone support the bluetooth harddrives? I'm guessing they'll
work nicely with a linux phone with bluetooth.
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I'm embarking on a project where I need to work at the c/c++ level under
J2ME and tie into the native phone stack as well. I'm trying to determine
whether I should initially target OpenMoko or Qtopia's Greenphone initially.
One of the decision points in this for me is the question of whether
mathew davis wrote:
Now the neo can hold as much memory as the upcoming Iphone but
better. Samsung just announced that it has developed an 8 Gigabyte
microSD memory card. That means that the $350 neo equiped with a 8GB
microSD card will have the same storage capacity as the 600 + 2 year
No nothing on it yet.
On 5/17/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mathew davis wrote:
Now the neo can hold as much memory as the upcoming Iphone but
better. Samsung just announced that it has developed an 8 Gigabyte
microSD memory card. That means that the $350 neo equiped with a
Maker Faire (www.makerfaire.com) is an event put on by MAKE magazine, the
O'Reilly publication that has become the darling of the entire DIY community.
The fair is at the San Mateo fairgrounds, about 30 minutes south of San
Francisco.
OpenMoko has a booth, and it will be staffed entirely by
This new 8GB microSD is SDHC Class4 Compliant. According to the wiki the Neo
supports SDHC.
Maybe a owner of a p0 device could check this with a smaller (but available
:) ) SDHC microsSD.
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On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 09:19 -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
Yeah, we tried, but it just doesn't seem to be possible :-( There
are some alternatives, but they then lead to other problems, such
as chips not being available in quantity, etc. (And we've had our
number of surprises with that.
Simon Matthews wrote:
If you do find a chip with a small protected page i might be interested
in writing the loader i have outlined.
Thanks !
As long as the bootstrap code reprogramming is bullet proof or you
don't see the need for changing the boot code i can't see any problems
with one
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 19:55 -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
You'll (almost certainly) be able to do this as well: the new MCU
will allow you to specify which NAND Flash area can be written to.
Once this is set, it cannot be changed without a reset. So this
would be a hardware assisted
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