Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 11:35 -0700, Michael Shiloh a écrit :
Ok, that does it. No more pictures for my presentations! From now on my
presentation tool will be vi.
Hmmm, I wonder if using emacs would not be a better idea for putting an
end to all these speculations?
[...]
I know that
On 10/5/07, Jimmy McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Ok, that does it. No more pictures for my presentations! From now on
my presentation tool will be vi.
vi FTW!!!
Complete with ASCII pictures, I hope.
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On 10/6/07, Rodolphe Ortalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 11:35 -0700, Michael Shiloh a écrit :
Ok, that does it. No more pictures for my presentations! From now on my
presentation tool will be vi.
Hmmm, I wonder if using emacs would not be a better idea for
I've been following OpenMoko for nearly a year now and the thought has only
just struck me - There's no camera!
Even the GTA02 seems to be missing a camera. Surely if this is intended to be
aimed at consumers a camera is a must?
If you look on Nokia's website they have 35 phones listed. Filter
On 6 Oct 2007, at 18:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been following OpenMoko for nearly a year now and the thought
has only just struck me - There's no camera!
Even the GTA02 seems to be missing a camera. Surely if this is
intended to be aimed at consumers a camera
Hi,
Personally I'm glad to avoid having a camera, and I suppose (know)
others think the same. Of course some want it, but as mentioned others
don't. If I'm going to take pictures, I use a camera :-) Actually I
think a knife would be more usable than a camera :-p
Regards,
Mikkel
Giles Jones
I would have to disagree. I don't care about having a camera on my phone. I
know a few execs. of certain companies who have smartphones that don't even
have cameras. You need to remember to distinguish between smartphone
consumers and mainstream consumers. Most smartphone consumers, like myself,
There are great uses for a camera in a cellphone/PDA, such as: user
interface! Digital vision! I can think of tons of apps to write
that would use the camera to great effect.. it really is a shame its
not going to be included in the GTA02/03 .. but okay. There are good
reasons for
Frankly, I'm mixed on the subject. For years, I never had a camera
phone. I avoided it, as I thought it was a waste. I'd look for phones
that specifically didn't have a camera and it took a lot of legwork to
find one that was suitable for what I needed but didn't include a
camera. Then I got
A survey on The Register (UK site) had camera at the lowest required
feature with about 25% of people saying they need one and 25% saying
the couldn't care less.
Do you have a link? I can't seem to find it. Also, The Register's readers
are hardly representative of the mobile phone market!
I use to think I couldn't live without a camera on my phone but I decided to
pick up a neo for the open source part. I've been using it with qtopia as
an every day phone for the past week or so and I couldn't care less about
having a camera anymore. I just don't care about it.
-Original
On 10/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the Neo is in no way a phone for the average. This marked is
well served with the usual suspects.
Ok, I was under the impression the Neo would be aimed at end users.
Cheers,
Tom
PS: Sorry if this is going over ground already covered
Hey everybody, I just found this device:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4756295876.html
I don't know anything about it really, but it's security related and
might provide some inspiration?
Cheers,
Cailan
From: Mikkel Meyer Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: Wed,
I'm also conflicted about the camera. I don't think lack of a camera
will doom the Neo.
One thing to keep in mind - nowadays many companies are restricting
the use of cell phones with cameras on company premises due to
security and IP concerns. I know of many coworkers who've abandoned
phones
On 6 Oct 2007, at 19:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The neo will not penetrate the consumer market without a camera.
Not a chance. So, intentional or otherwise, the neo is going to be
a geek's toy and nothing more. What a shame.
It won't anyway, it's always going to be a power users toy.
A survey on The Register (UK site) had camera at the lowest required
feature with about 25% of people saying they need one and 25% saying
the couldn't care less.
Do you have a link? I can't seem to find it. Also, The Register's readers
are hardly representative of the mobile phone market!
You appear to only be focusing on one group that share a common
interest. Keep in my that the OpenMoko/Neo 1973 is not necessarily designed
for teenagers or kids who's sole focus is the text messaging and the camera.
I thought it was aimed at non-techy people, I guess I was wrong. My point is
Think of it in terms of modularity. You do not have to carry and think about
a camera which will quickly become obsolete (or is already obsolete)
compared to superior cameras that are available. Phone cameras are almost
uniformly terrible, because they are tacked on as extra features with really
On 10/5/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi people,
The menu bar is too small, when using it with finger I have to click
it with my fingernail (and I don't have a biig finger). Well, it works
but it is hard. There's got to be a solution for it.
What about keeping those 3 bottom
On 6 Oct 2007, at 20:21, Dylan McCall wrote:
Think of it in terms of modularity. You do not have to carry and
think about a camera which will quickly become obsolete (or is
already obsolete) compared to superior cameras that are available.
Phone cameras are almost uniformly terrible,
So there's no way a tiny sensor in a phone is
ever going to be useful for much more than drunken shots in a pub/bar.
I agree, and I'm sure that's what most phone cameras are used for. But people
want to be able to take awful quality photos of their mates family doing
stupid things, spur of
On 10/6/07, Kamisamanou Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/5/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi people,
The menu bar is too small, when using it with finger I have to click
it with my fingernail (and I don't have a biig finger). Well, it works
but it is hard. There's got to
On 6 Oct 2007, at 20:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So there's no way a tiny sensor in a phone is
ever going to be useful for much more than drunken shots in a pub/
bar.
I agree, and I'm sure that's what most phone cameras are used for.
But people want to be able to take awful quality
So there's no way a tiny sensor in a phone is
ever going to be useful for much more than drunken shots in a pub/
bar.
I agree, and I'm sure that's what most phone cameras are used for.
But people want to be able to take awful quality photos of their
mates family doing stupid things,
So ultimately i think not having a camera might diminish the market,
but won't doom the phone.
--clayton
I have to agree. I personally would like a camera, and if I knew there
would be a neo coming out with one in the near future I might even wait
for it. But I don't think this will
Hello,
On 10/6/07, Cailan Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey everybody, I just found this device:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4756295876.html
I don't know anything about it really, but it's security related and
This seems to be a HSM[1] device, it provides a hardware crypto
Hi All,
I'm also trying to get the USB Host working on the neo. I've got a kernel
running (2.6.22.5-r3) with the USB host patch. I'm logging in over bluetooth
(as suggested in the wiki page) and have done an ifdown on usb0 (also
recommended on the wiki page). When I echo host to usb_mode, I
My RAZR was confiscated by the security people when I entered a federal
building in Denver. I felt naked without my phone...
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On 6 Oct 2007, at 21:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow, you mean you've never seen anyone using the camera on their
phone before? The little blighters are everywhere I seem to go.
Usually at concerts, idiots watching the whole concert through a 2.5
inch screen instead of watching the
I do tech support for phones and I assure that there are many
people who don't care about cameras. I knpw because they
say exactly that I don't need a camera. However, based on
the number of mms messaging, and problems with this I see,
they certainly are popular with a lot of people.
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