Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-19 Thread Lorn Potter
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed on their

RE: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-19 Thread thomas.cooksey
For someone to claim to write a C android app, what would be required would be for the app to communicate with the Surface Manager and display a GUI, and/or communicate with the android databases (phone book, call log, whatever), and/or communicate with the device drivers (eg, make a call,

Making a call from Denmark: done!

2007-11-19 Thread Mikkel Meyer Andersen
Hello. In some time I've had some trouble with performing a call - actually I've not managed to do it until now. I roughly followed the wiki, hence this post is just to inform of the progress taking place. I explicitly described the steps I did on my blog (

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-19 Thread AVee
On Saturday 17 November 2007 21:09, Joshua Layne wrote: Ted Lemon wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-19 Thread Giles Jones
AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Your not the only one. The Nokia N810 has 2 advantages compare to the NEO, it has a keyboard and a slightly bigger display. However, it does force me to carry two devices, which is a major disadvantage. Maybe one day there will be a NEO like device with a

Closing apps

2007-11-19 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Nov 18, 2007 4:20 PM, Olaf Lüke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, yes you do ;-). Since the second version of the GUI you can close applications with pressing the power button shortly. If you press IMO that's a very strange, and very unintuitive way to close applications. If the user is

linuxmobiles.org - a new forum

2007-11-19 Thread John Smith
Hello everyone, I hope that this is not illegal to post a link for a new community forum to this list. Today I startet a new forum for linux mobile phones and related content. Why? Because I'm very intrestet in this stuff and hope that I can share my interest with other people. So, I'm sorry

Re: linuxmobiles.org - a new forum

2007-11-19 Thread William Weinberg
OCCAM'S RAZR - One ought not to multiply entities without necessity. VENT Why does the world need yet another mobile Linux knitting circle? Just because you can buy a domain name doesn't mean you should mint new .orgs. Sigh. Let's all fight fragmentation with more fragmentation. It's the

Re: Use Neo w/out removing from pocket (was: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement)

2007-11-19 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 10:35 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: What sort of applications make sense this way? What sort of new applications does this allow? I think the two big killer apps are laptop replacement and watching video. But that's going to require hardware acceleration. Long term, you

Re: linuxmobiles.org - a new forum

2007-11-19 Thread Lorn Potter
William Weinberg wrote: OCCAM'S RAZR - One ought not to multiply entities without necessity. VENT Why does the world need yet another mobile Linux knitting circle? Just because you can buy a domain name doesn't mean you should mint new .orgs. Sigh. Let's all fight fragmentation with more

Re: Use Neo w/out removing from pocket

2007-11-19 Thread Doug Jones
Michael Shiloh wrote: AVee wrote: On Saturday 17 November 2007 21:09, Joshua Layne wrote: Ted Lemon wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700.

Re: Use Neo w/out removing from pocket

2007-11-19 Thread Brad Midgley
Doug Seems unlikely bluetooth will ever be used for video. Insufficient bandwidth. there is a spec for this and there is industry interest for some specialized uses. I've seen a product advertised that allows you to send video from a phone to a box that plugs into the tv to show off

RE: linuxmobiles.org - a new forum

2007-11-19 Thread thomas.cooksey
Why does the world need yet another mobile Linux knitting circle? Just because you can buy a domain name doesn't mean you should mint new .orgs. RANT It doesn't. There are SO MANY wikis, blogs, news groups, websites, forums etc. set up around android. Why? MONEY! Most of the sites I've seen

Re: linuxmobiles.org - a new forum

2007-11-19 Thread Danijel Orsolic
It's interesting to see a second (if not more?) forum about open mobiles started after I started mobiliberty.com hoping to ride the new wave and help spread it too. But here's the thing. There's no wave to ride. Mobiliberty.com is a failed project and while this partly IS because my attention and

Re: linuxmobiles.org - a new forum

2007-11-19 Thread William Weinberg
Thank you Thomas! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does the world need yet another mobile Linux knitting circle? Just because you can buy a domain name doesn't mean you should mint new .orgs. RANT It doesn't. There are SO MANY wikis, blogs, news groups, websites, forums etc. set up around

Bug 937 resurfaced

2007-11-19 Thread James Olney
Hi all, I'm using Ubuntu Gutsy, and trying to emulate openmoko in qemu. Unfortunately Bug 937 has re-surfaced. Although people say it is fixed, i know people are having problems still/again even if the old version of the bug is fixed. I was wondering if someone could re-open the bug report? Old

Re: Bug 937 resurfaced

2007-11-19 Thread flexd
I have the same bug trying to compile on ubuntu gutsy too, also several other people on IRC did as of the 18th this month i think. James Olney skrev: Hi all, I'm using Ubuntu Gutsy, and trying to emulate openmoko in qemu. Unfortunately Bug 937 has re-surfaced. Although people say it is

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-19 Thread Marcelo Lira
From my POV, when people at OpenMoko decided on GTK for its paltform they are giving developers the ability to participate and influence *directly* on its development, and create great apps, both opensource and proprietary, without paying any license fees. The Nokia decision when build the Maemo

Neo1973 drawings - 3D model

2007-11-19 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
I also made a simple 3D model of the Neo1973. It's intended more for drawings illustrations, since I didn't have all the dimensions and the model is a bit rough. If anyone has detailed measurements it would be great if they posted them on the wiki. Links to the model some renderings are

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-19 Thread Marcelo Lira
License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of even one engineer for one year for any company Yes I agree with you before you said it: Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue You can influence directly the development of Qtopia very easily. It appears more

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed on their hardware. But that

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-19 Thread Andrzej Jan Taramina
Ted sed: What I'd like to see is someone (FIC?) making a computer *like* the Neo that's a real laptop replacement. 1Ghz ARM, DVI out, 640x480 screen just like what we have in the Neo, runs slow when it's on batteries, fast when it's plugged in, a couple gigabytes of flash, an external hard