Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Tilman Baumann
Ben Wilson wrote: Hey Nick, I've not looked at the electronics inside the neo myself but the sound is typical in the electronics world of a switchmode power supply under grate strain. The reason is a bit more banal. (AFAIK) The scream has just the frequency how much the main cpu can boot and

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Tilman Baumann
joerg wrote: Am Mo 3. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: David Samblas Martinez wrote: 22. Digital level Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to develop such a freaking geek widget? I could be a funny exercice to play with the accelerometers. Sure, at least backside. No

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Thufir
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works or will show up as the openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those can even be done by ports of existing software, like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool

Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread joerg
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: Ben Wilson wrote: Hey Nick, I've not looked at the electronics inside the neo myself but the sound is typical in the electronics world of a switchmode power supply under grate strain. The reason is a bit more banal. (AFAIK) The scream

Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Wilson
Yeah, without knowing how the power system is done i dunno either. It could be the charging circuit going to max output to try and raise the battery volts above the min level, (which of course it can't). Whatever the cause, the scream is definitely coming from a coil or inductor vibrating due

Any experience with this BT keyboard?

2008-03-04 Thread David Samblas Martinez
I was dreaming/whishing/fantasizing about owning a Freerunner and I finally decide that for a lot of funny things(make long documents, programing, be more geeker, etc..) it will be very recomendable to have an external Keyboard, but as portable as the Neo itself so. I was googling and I have found

Re: Problem trying to build qemu-local using MokoMakefile

2008-03-04 Thread Evgeny Ginzburg
François TOURDE wrote: Hi, Trying to run make qemu-local, I got the following message, some lines after Please wait, programming the NAND flash... -8---8---8---8---8-- neo_vib_switch: Vibrator stopped. neo_bl_switch: LCD Backlight now on. qemu: fatal:

Re: Any experience with iGO stowaway BT keyboard?

2008-03-04 Thread Marcus Bauer
I got it from amazon uk (qwerty) without the Dell branding and it works like a charme. Just switch on bluetooth and then do hidd --search That's it. If there are plenty of other BT things around you, go with hidd --connect BT-MAC-OF-KEYBOARD Apart from being careful when opening and

Re: Any experience with this BT keyboard?

2008-03-04 Thread Federico Belvisi
David Samblas Martinez ha scritto: I was dreaming/whishing/fantasizing about owning a Freerunner and I finally decide that for a lot of funny things(make long documents, programing, be more geeker, etc..) it will be very recomendable to have an external Keyboard, but as portable as the Neo

Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Jay Vaughan
Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo has USB power. i did this. i had to get a new neo: my first one got *fried* from this. dunno what to do with the old one, frankly it bothers me having it sit there doing nothing. anyone got any suggestions? ; --

Audio wired Headset

2008-03-04 Thread Gilles Casse
Hi all, I am a little bit embarrassed: my audio headset is lost, another one bought recently is not compatible (a 4 ring model for a Nokia, the resulting sound is too low, almost unusable). Is it possible to buy a new audio wired headset from OpenMoko.inc? Otherwise, where can we get one please

Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Duvelle Jones
Hi, tis me again. A little bit of forward thinking here. When I first came to OpenMoko it was a mid the torrent of the iPhone hype. I will admit that I was dissolution with the possibility that the multi-touch interface was an easy addition to OpenMoko. With some time to think and study the

Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Tilman Baumann
Jay Vaughan wrote: Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo has USB power. i did this. i had to get a new neo: my first one got *fried* from this. dunno what to do with the old one, frankly it bothers me having it sit there doing nothing. anyone got any

Re: Audio wired Headset

2008-03-04 Thread joerg
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Gilles Casse: Hi all, I am a little bit embarrassed: my audio headset is lost, another one bought recently is not compatible (a 4 ring model for a Nokia, the resulting sound is too low, almost unusable). Is it possible to buy a new audio wired headset from

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread joerg
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Duvelle Jones: I will admit that I was dissolution with the possibility that the multi-touch interface was an easy addition to OpenMoko. With some time to think and study the availability of the technology, I soon realized that my thinking on the matter was quite

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Andrea Debortoli
I think this is an interesting reading about iphone multi-touch screen: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/iphone1.htm 2008/3/4, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Duvelle Jones: I will admit that I was dissolution with the possibility that the multi-touch interface

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Hi guys, I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the longer I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone. The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great innovation among UI's on large monitors, tablets, and even desks.

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Federico
So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone? maybe pressing the shift key for typing uppercase letters :P ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 04 March 2008, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Hi guys, I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the longer I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone. The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great innovation

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Burdette
Federico wrote: So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone? maybe pressing the shift key for typing uppercase letters :P Or other chording based text entry schemes... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:47:40 +0100 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo has USB power. i did this. i had to get a new neo: my first one got *fried* from this. dunno what to do with the old one, frankly it

Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Nick Guenther
Okay, thanks for the clarification. I was just concerned about hearsay on the list. Thanks for the science. -Nick On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Nick, I've not looked at the electronics inside the neo myself but the sound is typical in the

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ubiquitous zooming and rotating examples are not convincing me at all. They seem pretty cool to me. So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone? How do you right-click on a touchscreen? The old way

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Jeff Andros
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool idea :) probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but libpurple is the

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Ortwin Regel
On 3/4/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the longer I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone. The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great innovation

screen orientation sensible already developed?

2008-03-04 Thread David Samblas Martinez
After see this video, is clear that change the orientation of the screen is already in almost one openmoko relesase , doesn't care if in real alpha state or not, it exist and works almost one time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btY2SFVrOscNR=1 where can I find actualice information about

iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread Kyle Bassett
Well, through some mysterious events within the past few days and some favors people owe me, I have acquired an 8GB iPhone (without the ATT contract)! Now don't think this means I am defecting to the iPhone community, by any means :-) I actually am writing for suggestions to make this iPhone

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread kenneth marken
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool idea :) probably not pidgin itself, it's not

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread ian douglas
Jeff Andros wrote: Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc I concur -- running Pidgin on three different platforms, it's a

Re: Audio wired Headset

2008-03-04 Thread ian douglas
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Gilles Casse: Is it possible to buy a new audio wired headset from OpenMoko.inc? Otherwise, where can we get one please (OpenMoko distributor?). I mentioned to Michael at SCALE 2008 that having a 'store' where we could buy stray parts, like batteries would be a

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread ian douglas
Kyle Bassett wrote: I have acquired an 8GB iPhone I actually am writing for suggestions to make this iPhone helpful to the OpenMoko community. Likewise, I won an 8GB iPod Touch (essentially the iPhone without the cell phone components), and I'd love to run OpenMoko on it at some point. I

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Kyle Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still debating lending the phone out to those who want to play with it, depending on the interest of the community, we'll see where it goes. Sounds like Mickey needs to play with it so he can see what all the fuss is

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Kyle Bassett wrote: I am still debating lending the phone out to those who want to play with it, depending on the interest of the community, we'll see where it goes. Sounds like Mickey needs to play with it so he can

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread Michael Shiloh
Do you have an ATT SIM card? Does it work with your iPhone? (I know you said you didn't get an ATT contract.) I'd be very interested in whether that SIM card works in a Neo. Michael Kyle Bassett wrote: Well, through some mysterious events within the past few days and some favors people owe

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread ian douglas
If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow his SIM to see if it'll connect to ATT on my Neo later this week. -id Michael Shiloh wrote: Do you have an ATT SIM card? Does it work with your iPhone?

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Ivo Anjo
When you use google as a jabber/xmpp server, you can enable server-side logs (they show up on the gmail interface). With settings, you can always user jabber and transports for other IM services, so that with one log in you get into all of them. As for logs, maybe the easiest way is to just

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Jeff Andros ha scritto: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool idea :) probably not pidgin itself, it's

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread kenneth marken
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:08:02 ian douglas wrote: If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow his SIM to see if it'll connect to ATT on my Neo later this week. i would not call EDGE 3G. it is

Re: Audio wired Headset

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
ian douglas ha scritto: Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Gilles Casse: Is it possible to buy a new audio wired headset from OpenMoko.inc? Otherwise, where can we get one please (OpenMoko distributor?). I mentioned to Michael at SCALE 2008 that having a 'store' where we could buy stray parts, like

Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread kenneth marken
so one could set up a xmpp server at home, turn on server side logging and some transports to other networks as needed, and then just have a xmpp client on the neo that connects to it? or have google done some kind of custom mod for their xmpp server to get this to work? would be nice if the

Re: Audio wired Headset

2008-03-04 Thread ian douglas
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I simply agree... JTAG for example, could be needed for standard users only after bricking the device, and new/extra batteries will be needed soon! So: - batteries - headphones - JTAG interfaces - sylus - stylus batteries? I'm not sure it's economically

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
joerg ha scritto: I'm investigating to squeeze some multi-touch properties out of the GTA02 4wire-resistor touchscreen, by hacking the basics and probing the ts in a couple non-recommended completely different manners. There still is a little hope... What's your hope exactly? Do you have

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Federico ha scritto: So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone? maybe pressing the shift key for typing uppercase letters :P Not so useful imho... We don't write so quickly on small-screen based devices to need a combination-input. For istance, the iPhone has not a such feature

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 22:38:52 Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Kyle Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still debating lending the phone out to those who want to play with it, depending on the interest of the community, we'll see where it goes. Sounds like Mickey

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Ortwin Regel ha scritto: If there will ever be a dedicated OpenMoko gaming device, it needs a multitouch screen. Well, yes I think it won't be possible to run games with an on-screen virtual gamepad as the iPhone/iPodTouch does. Do I am wrong? However, with a phone, even if it is a fully

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
kenneth marken ha scritto: On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:08:02 ian douglas wrote: If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow his SIM to see if it'll connect to ATT on my Neo later this week. i

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread kenneth marken
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 01:28:03 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: kenneth marken ha scritto: On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:08:02 ian douglas wrote: If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow

GTA02v6: any rumor?

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
It has been mentioned on svn logs: http://tinyurl.com/2wfsmk What will be the differences with GTA02v5? Maybe also echo audio fixes [1]? I'm becoming every day more curious about this new device...! :P [1] http://tinyurl.com/2j5ca7 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also using a touch-only screen they don't loose their usability: the resize, mostly, could be done simply with a scroll, while the rotation This is kindof like saying what do you need a mouse for, your keyboard

Re: iPhone Acquired!

2008-03-04 Thread Kyle Bassett
I do have an ATT sim card that came with the phone, but it is not activated... It is recognized by the iPhone as an ATT card. I could put the SIM card in the Neo and see if it is recognized, but I don't have ATT service for it. -Kyle On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL

RE: GTA02v6: any rumor?

2008-03-04 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
I'm using qtopia on my gta01 with the fix described here: http://tinyurl.com/2t5mdg and it sounds fine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:05 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....

2008-03-04 Thread joerg
Am Mi 5. März 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): joerg ha scritto: I'm investigating to squeeze some multi-touch properties out of the GTA02 4wire-resistor touchscreen, by hacking the basics and probing the ts in a couple non-recommended completely different manners. There still is a