Rod Whitby ha scritto:
[snip]
One not shared by OpenMoko Inc. it seems ...
There are many people who are idealistic about free software.
There are many people who are idealistic about open source software.
There are many people who use/develop both free/opensource software
and commercial
My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same
service.
My understanding is that the development of free projects is started
and driven
Great to see someone who is interested in this as well!
Thanks for bringing this up, as this is is a topic that I am very much
interested in. We are just starting to explore this area, but the AGPS
capabilities of the Neo 1973 was one reason that we went ahead and bought
this. However, I do
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| My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
| start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
| get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008 à 10:30 -0700, steve a écrit :
Yes,
The information about returns and defects etc needs to be shared. First,
however, it needs to be established or estimated. I haven’t seen a single
number from anybody on the demand rate for batteries or LCD or back covers.
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:56:17 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Track recall: if the device stores all your movements (or a rough
list of areas visited) for the last few days, you could recall where
you've been, when you came somewhere and when you left, which is
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| You posted many intresting ideas, but this one should be well
| implemented since it could infringe your privacy! So maybe this could
| be applied if there's a kind of encryption of the data saved, or
|
Waaah! 10.142.178.13 spamming the list :-(
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:51:14 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We get very approximate part of town location information for free
from GSM cell number just by being a phone. We get +/- 100m specific
location information from powering the WLAN and doing an AP scan
periodically,
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| What's the advantage of the other ways of locating yourself (GSM, WiFi)
| over GPS?
Power, and they work inside buildings away from windows.
GSM at least will be powered anyway in the normal case, so
Am Fr 28. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
GSM not only holds information on recent active (booked in) cell, but also
for next 6 (or 8?) next best cells, to handle cell handover. Each of these
cells with same info (signal, channel...) like active cell.
And then there is time advance too. It tells
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:56 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| What's the advantage of the other ways of locating yourself (GSM, WiFi)
| over GPS?
Power, and they work inside buildings away from windows.
Inside a building your essential location (as read from the GPS receiver
Just like my recent post about using GPS to enhance the phone, I'll try to
explore the synergy opportunities for the accelerometers that Neo has.
Once again, some of this might have already been discussed.
* Intuitive mute: put the ringing phone on a flat horizontal surface
(table) with
To join this post and your previous post, how about using the
accelerometers to enhance the GPS?
Not just for power saving, but say you drive through a tunnel; the GOS
loses connectivity but the device still knows your location based on
accelerometer data. There are commercially available in car
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:31:20 +0100, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
To join this post and your previous post, how about using the
accelerometers to enhance the GPS?
Not just for power saving, but say you drive through a tunnel; the GOS
loses connectivity but the device still knows
Am Fr 28. März 2008 schrieb Alexey Feldgendler:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:56 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I really would love WLAN to scavenge open connections as well at the
same time (Holger mentioned this idea but I already cherished it). So
if you walk down a
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| On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:56 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| | What's the advantage of the other ways of locating yourself (GSM, WiFi)
| | over GPS?
|
| Power, and they work inside buildings
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| One has to be careful about that. IANAL, but it might be illegal in
some
| Agree, no good idea to unsolicitedly use unknown WLANs. Also (and
first of
| all) for security reasons.
Even on my own WPA
Alessandro Iurlano wrote:
My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same
service.
That's untrue for me: also if sometimes I started
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:59:42 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| That's the point: while you're inside a building, all you have to know
| is that you're still inside.
Well you can know where you are in the building from AP scan monitoring.
~ In an office building for example you
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
Just like my recent post about using GPS to enhance the phone, I'll
try to explore the synergy opportunities for the accelerometers that
Neo has. Once again, some of this might have already been discussed.
* Intuitive mute: put the ringing phone on a flat horizontal
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Hi guys,
as you may have already noticed, Openmoko Inc. has been accepted
as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code 2008.
Please note that the list of ideas found on the wiki page is by no means
comprehensive, it's rather a bunch of things we
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:18 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alas there is *absolutely* *NO* way for NEO though to tell when your
braindead
850mA charger will start to slowly melt down overnight when you set 1A charge
mode via applet. It's very unlikely there will ever be any trouble
On Friday 28 March 2008 10:37, joerg wrote:
Waaah! 10.142.178.13 spamming the list :-(
it's probably gmail being sucky yet again and sending mail out repeatedly
Andy
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* I mentioned this in another thread, but if the device:
- goes from 60km+ to 0 in short order, e.g. high g stop
- while traveling horizontally
- over a road
- an on-screen alert/countdown is not stoped
Then it's likely a vehicular accident so auto-call/sms for
http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16826
they got the tomtom applikation running on zaurus linux
Sebastian Hammerl schrieb:
Hi,
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would
it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on
Openmoko
Unfortunately you need accurate speed to be able to get usable data from
accelerometers for that. That's why some GPS modules have an interface
for tachometer.
Joseph Reeves pravi:
To join this post and your previous post, how about using the
accelerometers to enhance the GPS?
Not just for
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:59:38 +0100, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* I mentioned this in another thread, but if the device:
- goes from 60km+ to 0 in short order, e.g. high g stop
- while traveling horizontally
- over a road
- an on-screen
On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 12:59 -0400, Crane, Matthew wrote:
* Detect when phone has dropped out of ones pocket, short fall by aprupt
stop, beep three times loudly. (that's kind of reaching..)
Better even: start self check and if it fails play HAL singing Daisy
while fading away (from Kubrick's
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 06:18:51PM +0100, Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:59:38 +0100, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* Use acell data to charecterize person carrying the phone (as many
couples out there will share phones, or give to children) and tie into
user
I don't think that's reaching at all! The blogger running
http://gadgets.boingboing.net just blogged this week about how he lost
his iPhone - it fell out of his pocket in a taxicab and he didn't
realize until after.
Maybe if it happens 6 months hence we can berate him for not avoiding
the whole
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
Just like my recent post about using GPS to enhance the phone, I'll
try to explore the synergy opportunities for the accelerometers that
Neo has. Once again, some of this might have already been discussed.
I'd like to see an accelerometer graphing application, so you
The data and the mapping application are really two diffrent products.
The real freedom of choice comes from having a mapping application
that can use data from any provider, wether its commercial or open
source.
I think eventually, OSM will be the way to go, but until then its not
usable by
Yea, there would need to be a decent test and experiment app, with GUI,
record data feature, and visualization of data. That would be needed
likely before the ideas we've mentioned could be worked out. Need to
develop a solid API and event notification system. That sort of thing
prob exists
On 28/03/2008, Dan Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The data and the mapping application are really two diffrent products.
The real freedom of choice comes from having a mapping application
that can use data from any provider, whether its commercial or open
source.
agreed.
tangogps.org
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the big problem is that there is no
standard for reporting current capacity other than the USB protocol,
which is not supported by dumb chargers.
What this means is that the various tricks that we and others play
(shorting unused data pins, adding
Michel,
this is a perfect description of the current situation.
You have to wear the t-shirt yourself! :-)
cherrs
jOERG
Am Fr 28. März 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the big problem is that there is no
standard for reporting current capacity other than the
Hi,
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:40:05 +0100
Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same
Thx.
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To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: steve; 'Kevin Dean'
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Engineering says: you can't have both, 1A charging _and_ protection for
every
Ya this nailed it for me. thx Michael.
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:43 AM
To: Michael Shiloh
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Subject: Re: The problem with non-standard USB charging (was: Re: Price of
the
Dear community,
I'd like to initiate a weekly poll for you, our community, to nominate a
fellow community member who has contributed substantially to the
project, whether an application, a bug fix, testing work, How-To guide,
whatever.
The intent is clearly to identify and appreciate those
Great idea Michael!
-Kyle
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dear community,
I'd like to initiate a weekly poll for you, our community, to nominate a
fellow community member who has contributed substantially to the
project, whether an application, a
i'm sure some of you neo/om users out there will like the thought of
being able to carry around wikipedia in your pocket, so this might be
useful:
http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html
it uses python, perl, php, xapian (only for pre-processing the index,
on another
On 11:28 Sat 29 Mar , Robin Paulson wrote:
i'm sure some of you neo/om users out there will like the thought of
being able to carry around wikipedia in your pocket, so this might be
useful:
http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html
it uses python, perl, php,
TomTom on Openmoko is nice .
TomTom on Openmoko with waterproof for outdoor is even better !
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