Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Dale Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu 7.10 and am trying to follow the instructions from the Toolchain wiki page. When I try the command: sudo apt-get install gcc g++ autoconf automake binutils libtools ... I get

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-09 Thread Rafael Campos
Hello to everyone, I think that it's really important to have the lastest technologies in mind in order to develop a device that is going to be out a year (or more). Another interesting technology that i think is going to grow in the nexts months is WiMAX. For me 3G is necessary for the next

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/9/08, Rafael Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everyone, I think that it's really important to have the lastest technologies in mind in order to develop a device that is going to be out a year (or more). Another interesting technology that i think is going to grow in the nexts

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread Ricky Fitz
Neo has enough horsepower and pixels to provide a decent web experience. I have tested the built in browser (with usb net not GPRS) and it works just fine. Stable layout, wonderful text rendering courtesy of the extremely high dpi of the screen. It just needs some usability tweaks. Like

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-09 Thread Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof
I'm not sure, but i think that goes mainly for the US. I think 3g networks are widely spread over Europe (don't know about parts of Asia etc.). One of the main disappointments in Europe about the iPhone was that it didn't support 3g at first. In Holland for example most operators have almost

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-09 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia Wednesday 09 of April 2008, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen napisał: Optionally, they could make a GTA03w similar to GTA02 (with wifi), except with quad band GSM, and make a GTA03g with 3G (and quad band GSM) and without wifi. If they will get 3G modems then they should put them into all

RE: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-09 Thread Rogen, Mario
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:26 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor,GTA03? On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:28:02PM

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread Tilman Baumann
Ricky Fitz wrote: Neo has enough horsepower and pixels to provide a decent web experience. I have tested the built in browser (with usb net not GPRS) and it works just fine. Stable layout, wonderful text rendering courtesy of the extremely high dpi of the screen. It just needs some usability

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread Antoine Reid
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Ricky Fitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neo has enough horsepower and pixels to provide a decent web experience. I have tested the built in browser (with usb net not GPRS) and it works just fine. Stable layout, wonderful text rendering courtesy of the

locale the openmoko

2008-04-09 Thread 赵经纬
Hi I am an newbi, i want to display the openmoko in chinese not in english, and run it on qemuarm. first,i want to know whether we can change the openmoko from english to chinese ? next, if we can , how to do? looking forward to your reply! ___

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Didier Raboud
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/7/08, Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * If I loose or let my Moko being stolen, I can find my connection parameters (on the paper) and go to track.openmoko.com and there I can find 24 coordinates a day. This could help me find it back or help

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread simarillion
Am Mittwoch 09 April 2008 10:08:10 schrieb Ricky Fitz: Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? I think this is a great and innovative idea. Does somebody know which resolution can be achieved with those acceleration sensors (single

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-09 Thread Hugo Mills
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:28:02PM -0500, Mark Arvidson wrote: I whip out my A780 and browse the net/read e-mail/update remote todo lists/ssh into my home network nearly everywhere I go. I use my phone's EDGE capabilities while riding across Texas to the next family event. I use it to check

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread Tilman Baumann
Antoine Reid wrote: While I don't mind using large gestures to perform some operations (like turning the phone upside-down to prevent it from ringing), I don't think small gestures should be on by default. Otherwise, it'll be very hard to use in any case other than sitting down and almost

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Didier Raboud
Denis wrote: Then why on Earth would a hijacker use standard image? Because the Neos will always be one particular phone in a sea of other phones (even in an ocean of other phone _types_). I was assuming that the hijacker were only random hijackers targetting all possible phones to just resell

RE: Hardware update

2008-04-09 Thread Daniel Spies
So, if it doesn't cause too much trouble, may you describe these reasons? Or is there anything on the wiki? (Sorry I cannot check it myself right now.) Daniel On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:39:58 -0700, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/9/08, Antoine Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? People who will use the device in the bus or in the car will hate you, unless there is an *easy* way to disable those small gestures, or

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Sebastian Billaudelle
Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without

GSoC 08 status update

2008-04-09 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. As you may know, the extended deadline for submitting applications is over now. We like to thank all students for submitting their ideas, answering questions and taking part in the spirit of contributing to OpenMoko. We thought that you would perhaps be interested in some numbers. So

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/9/08, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I

Re: GSoC 08 status update

2008-04-09 Thread Jacob Thebault-Spieker
As a student, those numbers are frightening :). Is there any way that we, as students, can find out where our application stands currently? 2 weeks is a long time to wait :). I understand if OpenMoko doesn't want to release that, but I thought it might be worth asking -- Jacob

Re: Hardware update

2008-04-09 Thread thomasg
It was on the list a few weeks ago - the main reason is the ram divisor - clocking the cpu higher means clocking the ram lower, means lowering the total throughput. So it's a question of requirements. Lowering the ramclock for having the cpu at a higher speed is not worth it. Another point is the

RE: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread McCreery, Lee CTR DISA
Well I don't know about many other Countries, but in the US an owner of a laptop has the right to install a software package that calls mother-ship when it boots. The laptop is registered with a provider and should the laptop come up missing, the owner contact the police and the provider works

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Gilbert Hartmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: | On 4/9/08, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is | unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a |

Re: Hardware update

2008-04-09 Thread Daniel Spies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 62.159.37.130 [62.159.37.130] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:03:53 +0200 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread David Pottage
On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I

Battery life on GTA02

2008-04-09 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
Helo What is the current battery lifetime on GTA02? And how long lifetime is expected when it is done? Alexander Frøyseth BTW: What about an extra battery with the FreeRunner when it is sold. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: locale the openmoko

2008-04-09 Thread Oleg Sadov
It's possible, but it's not very simple :( We have the same problem with OpenMoko localization in Russia and working for resolving them for Russian (and not only) language. Quickdirty localization way: 1. Setting up of system locale at the beginning of startup script /usr/bin/x-window-manager.

Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko

2008-04-09 Thread Andreas Zuber
If you look at the Android software stack, you will notice that they basically only use the Linux kernel and a few traditional 'helper' libraries, written in C (jpg, png, etc). But the bulk of the system is written from scratch. They even have their own libc! Their own Java virtual machine,

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread Tim Shannon
I would think it would be as simple as having a toggle button that toggles from touching the screen to scroll around (up, down, left, right), and interacting with a webpage. If your in interaction mode, then have the tiny scroll bars, else leave them off. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Tilman

Re: CAD file

2008-04-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
It's a packaging problem. I think whoever created the original zip file must have had the files twice, so the second copy got the .1 extension. I'll fix that when I get a chance. Meanwhile, simply rename it to remove the .1 extension: mv gtc02-msh01.prt.1 gtc02-msh01.prt or whatever

Re: Battery life on GTA02

2008-04-09 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Alexander Frøyseth ha scritto: Helo What is the current battery lifetime on GTA02? I was asking this too in other lists, but there unfortunately are no official/semi-official/unofficial reports from any of the GTA02 owners yet. This is an important issue, but I've not read so many words...

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread Tim Shannon
Yeah, you're probably right, but either way there has to be a better solution that what is currently implemented. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:29 PM, enaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Shannon schrieb: I would think it would be as simple as having a toggle button that toggles from touching the

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread enaut
Tim Shannon schrieb: I would think it would be as simple as having a toggle button that toggles from touching the screen to scroll around (up, down, left, right), and interacting with a webpage. If your in interaction mode, then have the tiny scroll bars, else leave them off. in your proposal

RE: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Tim Newsom
-Original Message- From: David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:15 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Loosing your moko On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Yes, i think a normal

Re: CAD file

2008-04-09 Thread andy selby
I'll fix that when I get a chance. Meanwhile, simply rename it to remove the .1 extension: Or maybe... rename *.prt.1 *.prt * when cd'd into the directory with the files should rename them all in one fell swoop. I say maybe because I dont have the zip file but it should rename them from

Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-09 Thread Dale Schumacher
I didn't see anything on the wiki regarding repositories. In fact, this is what I suspected to be the problem. What repositories should be added to the base installation. I simply installed from the Ubuntu 7.10 Desktop CD and have done no additional configuration. I'd like to update the wiki

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Some information about the users (like GPS tracks) can in some countries be illegal unless the user wants this (even if the user is the thief). Information retrieved illegally can not be used to put the thief in jail and I believe that in some places in the US, the thief might put you through a

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ke, 2008-04-09 kello 22:48 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen kirjoitti: Some information about the users (like GPS tracks) can in some countries be illegal unless the user wants this (even if the user is the thief). Information retrieved illegally can not be used to put the thief in jail and I

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Piotr Duda
Tim Newsom pisze: [...] On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - But hijacker most probably will turn the Neo off once he gets it into his dirty hands. Then he will sell it to some fence. And fence could

RE: Hardware update

2008-04-09 Thread steve
The reasons are twofold. 1. The board was designed to operate at 400MHZ. It was designed to run at 400Mhz because the CPU we chose was rated at 400MHz. So running faster than 400MHZ is NOT within the design spec. The phone will ship with a 500MHZ processor because that is what we can buy.

RE: Web Browser?

2008-04-09 Thread steve
The accelerometers measure gforce. They measure this force at a certain frequency ( the spec is out there) as with all accelerometers there is a measurement error and a drift. the Phone has two 3 axis accelerometers, and simple physics tells you if you have Xdotdot, Ydotdot, and Zdotdot, you can

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-09 Thread Denis
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

linux-openmoko build error

2008-04-09 Thread M Nader
Hi, I got that error while building linux-openmoko: -- NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2.6.24+git20080409-r0: task do_fetch: started NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz

Re: CAD file

2008-04-09 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Michael, both the GTA01 and GTA02 zip files have those .1 extensions inside. The files were created independently (GTA01 by me, GTA02 by Will). There is nothing duplicate in the zip file, everything has .1 extensions. I would be careful about renaming file extensions without checking in

Re: Hardware update

2008-04-09 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
Thank you for that post. This clear things up a bit. steve skrev: The reasons are twofold. 1. The board was designed to operate at 400MHZ. It was designed to run at 400Mhz because the CPU we chose was rated at 400MHz. So running faster than 400MHZ is NOT within the design spec. The phone will