Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close there. rome wasn't built in one day. fight the battles you can win - dont fight the impossible ones. sure - it's not as glorious. it's not as sexy. but it gets you one small

Re: MC Navi released

2010-02-25 Thread Petr Vanek
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:47:55 -0800 (PST) Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com (MC) wrote: After preview about month ago here is finally first public version of MC Navi. Keep in mind it is still in hard development and this day I found some bugs, which are not yet fixed in this release (I didn't want to

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:41:42 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close there. rome wasn't built in one day. fight the battles you can win - dont fight the impossible

Re: MC Navi released

2010-02-25 Thread Petr Vanek
After preview about month ago here is finally first public version of MC Navi. Keep in mind it is still in hard development and this day I found some bugs, which are not yet fixed in this release (I didn't want to stop the release, because it is never-ending story). Sounds cools, thank you! But

Re: MC Navi released

2010-02-25 Thread Mike Crash
Zkus to zde: http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=3 I have improved convertor and fixed a lot of bugs, so soon will be new version and also more maps for download. On 25.2.2010 9:52, Petr Vanek [via Openmoko Public Mailinglists] wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread rixed
Community can be another pot of gold. You can preorder the phones, raise funds, etc (see blender, or wikipedia...). That's how the small team behind the openpandora was successful. Yes, the openpandora is not a phone and thus needs less paperwork, administrative authorization and license fees,

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:07:54 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said: Community can be another pot of gold. You can preorder the phones, raise funds, etc (see blender, or wikipedia...). That's how the small team behind the openpandora was successful. Yes, the openpandora is not a phone and thus

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread ghislain
What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't know about the funding). Although it's not a phone, I do have a working ultra-portable now for a reasonable price :) (It just needs some

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread rixed
-[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 09:20:56PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ] openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last time my money goes to any such group/venture. The fact is they proved community does not need to be backed up by an industrial pot of gold to build this

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:50:36 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said: -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 09:20:56PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ] openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last time my money goes to any such group/venture. The fact is they proved community does not

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl said: What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't know about the funding). i dont need yet another mini pda. i have

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread ghislain
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)-2 wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl said: What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't know about the

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Ghislain, They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't know about the funding). even that is open :-) (scroll down to second part) http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-February/001918.html Although it's not a phone, I do have a working

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:10:21 -0800 (PST) ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)-2 wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl said: What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). They

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:16:46 + Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc said: Ghislain, They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't know about the funding). even that is open :-) (scroll down to second part)

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
raster, may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to iphone 4g or nexus 2 or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market. and then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that was already the case for freerunner. like it or not there is an expectation of at

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:54:35 + Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc said: raster, may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to iphone 4g or nexus 2 or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market. and then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread -= Apertum =-
* Wolfgang Spraul wrote, Il 25/02/2010 12:54: There definitely is another way. Must be. Business opportunity! Let's see how long people will be using their FreeRunners, and how long they will be using their N900... If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm sure people would still use them in

Re: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner

2010-02-25 Thread Bartłomiej Zimon
Dnia 13 lutego 2010 12:42 ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl napisał(a): Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: How can kernel modules affect graphics performance? Maybe because some of the necessary modules can't be loaded now. I use this kernel on QtMoko and graphics are very fast, this was

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread rixed
Glad I read this. I completely agree, yet I would like to add another thing : Lets consider the whole market for mobile devices. It's composed for one part of the yupee techno addicts that want the latest gadget around, and for the other part by other people that have either no special attraction

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread rixed
-[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ] a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again. I don't know for other countries, but here in France the majority of 3g subscribers never use it. All day long

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:00:49 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said: -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ] a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again. I don't know for other countries, but here

RE: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)
As rasterman knows quite a bit more about hardware than most people I know, I'm curious to know his opinion on the Flow G1.5 and up-coming G2 from Gizmo for you? http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/ Sounds at least as open hardware-wise and Openmoko was and seems to actually be available for a

gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Ken Young
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc wrote: If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily. The truth is that even though the Freerunner is buggy as hell, some people will still be using them in 10+ years. Face it, we are now in the same boat as

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread rakshat hooja
internet. need i say more. as such its actually used here in australia, and in japan, and korea, and the usa, etc. - people really do use phones for looking up stuff, maps (yes downloading the maps as you go), blogging, instant messaging and email - oh god email. sure - video calls, tv etc.

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Rafael Ignacio Zurita
Hello, --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close [snip] compromises. but you can get some of it at least. Oh come on, don't beat them with a

Re: [debian] ssh hangs

2010-02-25 Thread arne anka
nope. and not with other targets. only the fr, which makes me suspect it What if you ssh to localhost on FR itself? while trying that it occurs to me, that there's no way to answer that: - i still have not found how reliably reproduce the issue -- it happens pretty frequently, but, you

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Kosa
rakshat hooja escribió: Anyway Qi's roadmap does say Open Phone in 2012 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Roadmap So we continue to dream :) It says 2011 :) Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: [debian] minor enhancements

2010-02-25 Thread Neil Jerram
On 28 January 2010 10:24, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 28.01.2010, 08:24 +0200 schrieb Timo Jyrinki: Well, I think you could discuss with FSO team if you could commit rights to the zhone repository there. It's the most obvious/known place anyway,

[PATCH] frameworkd battery status reporting

2010-02-25 Thread Neil Jerram
On 5 February 2010 22:44, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: On 14 January 2010 22:41, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I've just installed Timo's kernel from

Re: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff

2010-02-25 Thread Toni Mueller
On Thu, 11.02.2010 at 02:15:22 +0100, Frederik Sdun frederik.s...@googlemail.com wrote: yes of course. The U in FSOSHRUDCON stands for user and it's public conference, but hotelrooms might be limited. It's probably not too far away from my home, so it means that I hope to be able to attend.

Fwd: Your message to community awaits moderator approval

2010-02-25 Thread Neil Jerram
Does this list actually have any active moderators? If not, who has the authority to appoint a new one? Or should the list config be loosened? I sent an email with lots of diagnostics about non-reported SMSes, and it seems to have been swallowed by a black hole. Regards, Neil

Re: Problems with NWA

2010-02-25 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: yes.. you have to use qt libs from noko repos dalle libqt* 4.4.3-r3 (while in shr repos you find 4.6.0-r14.1.4). It's a problem in cflgs when compiling qts on shr... nicola (the developer of nwa) is aware of this, and shr

Re: Fwd: Your message to community awaits moderator approval

2010-02-25 Thread William Kenworthy
sounds like you should create a bug and post a summary here when it gets that big. BillK On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 23:04 +, Neil Jerram wrote: Does this list actually have any active moderators? If not, who has the authority to appoint a new one? Or should the list config be loosened? I

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 02:10 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:00:49 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said: -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ] a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and thats 2g only. 3g will

[shr-u 20100212] what has happened to mickeyterm?

2010-02-25 Thread jeremy jozwik
so i reflashed to 20100212 a while ago. but i was overseas and did not have a working sim card. back home i go and try to makes some phone calls only to discovery everyone is complaining about my call quality. i, not wanting to annoy people, go to check the mickeyterm settings for noise and what

Re: Fwd: Your message to community awaits moderator approval

2010-02-25 Thread Adam Jimerson
Ether that or use something like Pastebin for all the debugging output and other large amounts of text, but the best thing in a case like that would be to open a bug report. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.auwrote: sounds like you should create a bug and post

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:31:48 +0800 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au said: but - u'd need a phone that actually uses such things nicely and still most people dont have one. you'd need an iphone, modern android or palm webos device for this to really work. then it becomes a different game

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:18:31 +0530 rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com said: but - u'd need a phone that actually uses such things nicely and still most people dont have one. you'd need an iphone, modern android or palm webos device for this to really work. then it becomes a different game as

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:04:26 -0500 Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE) john@ge.com said: As rasterman knows quite a bit more about hardware than most people I know, I'm curious to know his opinion on the Flow G1.5 and up-coming G2 from Gizmo for you? http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:41:24 -0800 (PST) Rafael Ignacio Zurita rizur...@yahoo.com said: Hello, --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close

Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:28:18 -0500 (EST) Ken Young r...@cfa.harvard.edu said: Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc wrote: If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily. The truth is that even though the Freerunner is buggy as hell, some

Re: [shr-u 20100212] what has happened to mickeyterm?

2010-02-25 Thread Martin Jansa
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 06:50:42PM -0800, jeremy jozwik wrote: so i reflashed to 20100212 a while ago. but i was overseas and did not have a working sim card. back home i go and try to makes some phone calls only to discovery everyone is complaining about my call quality. i, not wanting to