Qtmoko qbuild options

2012-02-29 Thread Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος
In building qtmoko Makefiles r generated with : qbuild -from-make $(MAKE) like in: install: @echo make: running qbuild image @/home/chomwitt/programming/QT4/radekp-qtmoko-build/sdk/bin/qbuild - from-make $(MAKE) image I searched but cant find documentation of the -from-make op

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread NeilBrown
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:38:23 + Neil Jerram wrote: > For me, the fun is in trying to put bits of software together to make a > useful and interesting phone/gadget, and in understanding (up to a > point) how it all works. "Me too". It isn't about being better than Android, or free from being

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread NeilBrown
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:09:28 +0100 EdorFaus wrote: > On 02/29/2012 06:50 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > Am 29.02.2012 um 18:05 schrieb Gerald A: > >> Some people like it. > > > > Yes, I know and want to better understand why. It looks as if they like > > them because they feel better tha

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread EdorFaus
On 02/29/2012 06:50 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 29.02.2012 um 18:05 schrieb Gerald A: Some people like it. Yes, I know and want to better understand why. It looks as if they like them because they feel better than on-screen keyboards. I think this is precisely it, actually. Maybe

Re: [QT] make -clean error

2012-02-29 Thread Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος
> [cut] > > I run it without '-' but still the job stops with the same errors.. > Maybe there is no such target (clean) defined in a Makefile? > -- > Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz > Linux Registered User #377521 > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against pro

RE: HW keyboard was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread . .
The biggest benefit of a hardware keyboard is that you don't need to type as accurate, touching other keys while pressing one does not affect that much. (If it does you can feel it.) To hit a key on a touchscreen keyboard needs the center of the finger to be inside the buttons region, on a hard

HW keyboard was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread arne anka
i too own a n900 and i too are looking for devices with a hwardware keyboard included. i used to be a big fan of graffiti (v1), but after using the n900 with its keyboard for two years now i have to say, it's no match. writing is much faster, using a shell for complex tasks was not really an

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread arne anka
So the question is, with whom we (this community) are competing? E.g. * QtMoko & SHR vs. Android & iOS & Win Mobile etc.! * GTA04's flexibility and hw-modifiability vs. any commercial device! * the art of self modifiable 3D-printed case vs. take what you get! imo, android _is_ the main opponent

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 29.02.2012 um 18:05 schrieb Gerald A: > Hello, > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: > > [Leadup discussion pruned] > May I ask why you need a (mechanical) keyboard? > > Some people like it. Yes, I know and want to better understand why. It looks as if th

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Gerald A
Hello, On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > [Leadup discussion pruned] > May I ask why you need a (mechanical) keyboard? > Some people like it. While I do like a mechanical keyboard, I find the ones in most mobile devices too small. I can touch type, so now I hav

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Gerald A
Hi, On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani < giacomomari...@yahoo.it> wrote: > I own a similar one > ( > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Pocket-Bluetooth-Keyboard-PC-PDA-Phone-/260694344470 > ) > but I've never been able to use it on my freerunner. I get it paired > (and some tr

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 28 February 2012 21:22:40 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Am 28.02.2012 um 09:47 schrieb Davide Scaini: > > I think that the success of spark [1] explains the "failure" of GTA04. > > My 2 cents > > d > > > > [1] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/02/spark-pre-orders-closed.html > > May

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Lukas Märdian
On 28.02.2012 21:22, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Does anyone know how many units have been subscribed in total? > And when it is planned to become available? > > Nikolaus > Hi, yes. I saw one of those at FOSDEM. They didn't produce any tablet, but used the chinese Zenithink C71 [0] tablet

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread dmatthews.org
> Android is not a real enemy, but #1. So whom to compete with? And why? > > What I therefore think we should support is: > > http://fsfe.org/campaigns/android/android.en.html > Yes that makes more sense; while I'm at it my 2 cents regarding more general problems.I know this has been discusse

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Yury Sakarinen
Same here. No success with http://www.dealextreme.com/p/bluetooth-v2-0-wireless-keyboard-with-protective-case-for-apple-ipad-black-55976 on qtmoko. Debian not tested yet.. Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani писал 29.02.2012 14:45: [cut] > does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ?

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani
[cut] >> > does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ? > ...or this one [1]. Generally google returns a lot of information on > this topic. > > [1] > http://www.uberreview.com/2010/05/tiny-bluetooth-qwerty-keyboard-for-smartphones.htm I own a similar one (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
> May I ask why you need a (mechanical) keyboard? Because typing text on hardware keyboard (at least, one on N900 or on SonyEricsson sk18i that I'm using currently) is 10 times faster than doing so on any onscreen keyboard I've seen. Having keyboard actually turns a "phone" (i.e. device to do c

Re: [QT] make -clean error

2012-02-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] > I run it without '-' but still the job stops with the same errors.. Maybe there is no such target (clean) defined in a Makefile? -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachm

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] > does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ? ...or this one [1]. Generally google returns a lot of information on this topic. [1] http://www.uberreview.com/2010/05/tiny-bluetooth-qwerty-keyboard-for-smartphones.htm -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] > does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ? This one on picture seems to be QWERTY [1], however the description says it is QWERTZ. You need to ask them... [1] http://www.pearl.de/a-PX4806-1002.shtml -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribb

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Harald Koenig
On Feb 27, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > today's devices and I want to return. Unfortunately N900 changed my mind > and now I consider hardware qwerty keyboard not an option but a must. > > I will immediately order any GTA04 successor that will have qwerty > keyboard. using a bluetooth keyboa

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 29.02.2012 um 10:20 schrieb dmatthews.org: > hey > >> E.g. >> * QtMoko & SHR vs. Android & iOS & Win Mobile etc.! >> * GTA04's flexibility and hw-modifiability vs. any commercial device! >> * the art of self modifiable 3D-printed case vs. take what you get! > > I think you would need to fine

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread dmatthews.org
hey > E.g. > * QtMoko & SHR vs. Android & iOS & Win Mobile etc.! > * GTA04's flexibility and hw-modifiability vs. any commercial device! > * the art of self modifiable 3D-printed case vs. take what you get! I think you would need to fine tune that example. There is at least one android version t

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 29.02.2012 um 09:05 schrieb Andreas Pokorny: > Hi, > > Am 27. Februar 2012 11:51 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko : >>> So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on >>> (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward >>> the Openmoko community a small or big

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, February 29, 2012 a las 09:05:11AM +0100, Andreas Pokorny escribió: > > If anything is welcome then... > > > > I've left OpenMoko commutiny long ago, but I'm really disapponted by > > today's devices and I want to return. Unfortunately N900 changed my mind > > and now I consider

Re: [QT] Debugging apps help.

2012-02-29 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille
2012/2/29 Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος : > > When using gdb on the device wont we miss the source files ? i mean, we'll be > able to see the source line in gdb on the device? > Depending on your need. A simple gdb without sources can help identify some problems. But you can also certainly use gdb for remot

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Andreas Pokorny
Hi, Am 27. Februar 2012 11:51 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko : >> So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on >> (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward >> the Openmoko community a small or big step.. Any idea is welcome >> (even if you think we alread