Re: video/graphics on GTA02

Or simply clutter... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. Don't worry, French geeks are pissed off as well Yeah, almost every tax talked about in this thread exists in France. But how do we avoid the Neo to be taxable ? As said, if you don't sell the phone with an

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

transmitters? of course, this tech could be applied to any object that a person could lose ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Florent Delvaille

Google's Android has long road ahead

that it will be interessting to have a look on the two and make some links with. -- Florent Delvaille ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Running e17 even as we speak. Same here :) Very big news, thank you, Sean and Raster ! Have fun Flo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Video decoding in GTA-02

It doesn't. It does one of the simpler MPEG-4 profiles, don't recall the details. (One of the S-Media models does H.264, but no VGA.) Can't really feel much pain for that, personally. Personally i do a bit, since online video is moving towards ubiquitous h264 (in Flash player for desktops, or

USB Booting from a neo in mass storage mode ?

/Wishlist:LiveUSB_distro Could a happy neo owner confirm on infirm the (im)possibility of usb booting ? Any informations about USB mass storage mode (if implemented) would be greatly appreciated as well. Thanks, Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!

Fingerscroll foofone: http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/ Wow. This is clutter running inside qemu... Anybody tried running it in software rendering on a real device? Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: interesting red flag ui

I have a few ideas for a launcher, instead of a Start menu, have a launcher application. Imagine a cylinder you can rotate left and right, it would show 3 icons highlighted vertically and you would see other icons around the cylinder, it would be 3D of course.You can also move thumb up and

[UI/Graphics] Ever heard of graff ?

://njpatel.blogspot.com/2007/03/im-not-even-supposed-to-be-here-today.html * some nice clutter toys news: http://njpatel.blogspot.com/2007/07/clutter-foo.html Any benchmarking news ? Regards, Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: voice command line (was: ssh to a phone ... thats awesome !!)

Actually, I had used a tool called cvoicecontrol sometime back for exactly that, running scripts or cmds using voice. It wasnt very powerful in terms of how well it could recognize, but was functional enough. http://www.kiecza.net/daniel/linux/ Unfortunately, cvoice control doesn't seem to

Re: camera? yes please! ..

with different lenses/specs), a *real* microphone, a vga output or a mini-printer... Possibilities are endless to make the neo become the next swiss knife :) Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: Multitouch

On 7/24/07, David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Refering to Multitouch, any one have take a look at MPX: The Multi-Pointer X Server (http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/) seems to bee what we are talking about.. and open-source. Any brave dev try to compile it on the little machine?

[via Slashdot] yet another alternative text input subject : Five finger keyboards

Interesting blog post when you consider the custom cases possibility: http://trevors-trinkets.blogspot.com/2007/07/five-finger-keyboards.html via: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/23/1256213from=rss Also (blog comments squeezed out): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_keyboard

Re: mozilla based browser for maemo...

On 7/19/07, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to have also a webkit-based browser. http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/07/webkit-progress.html http://code.google.com/soc/2007/openmoko/appinfo.html?csaid=B5A2E96741FD60E4 Regards FLo

Re: Get them while they're still hot!

Yup, congratulations !!! Bonne chance Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Why iPhone using AJAX was genius

time for so many features ! Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [France] Grouping orders,

Yup, I'd be glad to :) Cheers, FLorent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Advertising/hype

, Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: rough seas

So please wish us luck. We're just about at the tipping point. Good luck :) I think it is normal for us to wait, as normally the hardware engineering is in a complete black-out, with delays and revisions. Let's all be patient, that's it. Cheers, et bon courage !!! Florent

Re: Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

WOW. I'm shocked. We were going the same way as how the iPhone works, without knowing any of it ! IP over USB kindof sucks on a Win box (have to install shitty drivers). UMS storage gives direct access to hardware storage. Which leaves BT Wifi for samba + webservices. The way i saw it, the

Wiimote, I2C Neo

$). What are the upcoming wii accessories? :) On another subject, any updates about neo's I2C/expansion pack wish ? Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Wiimote, I2C Neo

I guess if what you really want is the joystick ... Or any upcoming Wii accessories (who knows what will come from these prolific brains ^^ ?); i guess a text input accessory will have to come sooner or later. Yet, as you pointed out, here i'm interested by the joystick + buttons you'd want

Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

of happy owners here, right?) and rough feedback the responsiveness ? Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

Imho the EFL are the best choise for a device like the Neo. But, which backend for evas ? Framebuffer ? X ? OpenGL (i don't think there's an evas Opengl ES implementation..) ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

P2 model * no clutter-based openmoko devices on non-OpenGL-capable devices [1] http://wiki.python.org/moin/AnyGui [2] http://wiki.python.org/moin/Ocean [3] http://cairographics.org/backends/ [4]http://www.clutter-project.org/docs/clutter-clutter-fixed.html Any thoughts? Florent

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

Related tutorial : http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/Projects:GTK_on_DirectFB_for_Embedded_Systems The choice should be driven by benchmarks results. EFLs are on the row too... Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

whenever i get a device. Maybe a local web interface is doable and reactive enough for launching apps. Regards Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [SVHMPC] Phone Call Security

In any case, between openmoko devices encrypted calls would imply having a personal server, as P2P communication is almost always prevented inside a GPRS network (at least in France, it is). The mokoslug distro for NSLU2 becomes more and more promising :)

Re: [Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]

has to achieve fluid un/zooming, so that the zooming metaphor applies to our analogical sense of space. I hope the chip will enable ZUIs, together with the accelerometers, not just eye-candy ! Anyway, these are great news !!! Cheers Florent

Re: Neo1973 Update!

From official SMedia press release for Glamo3662 [1]: * MPEG4 full hardware codec function * 5M pixel high resolution picture Glamo3362 supports up to 5M pixel resolution picture function, including auto focus, auto white balance and auto exposure that are reaching the image quality of a

Re: Voice/Command recongnition

Or http://wiki.tuxisalive.com/index.php/Speech_recognition ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Apple iPhone ads

I noticed a funny phrase in the tossug video: Because desktop computing assumes that we only have butts ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: firefox for mobiles

mobile products (ex: nokia S60)... because it's maybe the fastest and lightest webengine So Let's wait 'til the end of the summer :) Regards Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman

Maximum SDHC capacity supported?

Hi As there are some 8GB SDHC cards out there, are there limitations on the neo? (as soon as it's SDHC, shoudl'nt be it ok?) Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

-February/003271.html Regards Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Webkit port alternative: qt webkit port inside gtk

Hi. I found this post, which may be of interest (in regard to hypothetical widgets and webUI) http://zecke.blogspot.com/2006/12/webkit-for-olpcs-sugar.html Another interesting project: Screenlets: OSX-like widgets http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/screenlets/ Cheers Florent

Widgets: Openmoko/Chumby transproject?

://www.chumby.com/widgets/channels The two products could share: * embedded experience * the content ecosystem * the display platform (flash) and tools I'm not saying i want this. But: why not? Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: picture viewer

are intended to be implemented for all finger-apps, and may be suitable for image navigation. Please feel free to add yours :) Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

[News] Screenshots of Intel's Redflag linux interface

http://apcmag.com/5896/gallery_intels_new_mobile_internet_device_with_red_flag_linux Notice the: * Google Maps with GPS * widget-like launcher ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: [SVHMPC] 0K Re: OpenMoko light web server

I'm still on the widget driven GUI concept. Having a single common rendering approach using HTML/Widgets would provide some interesting advantages. Not only on the graphical coherence, but also on the novel mixed/hybrid uses that will be feasible (semi web/local). Why not considering a phone's

Re: built-in scripting languages.

Is there a way to add a poll feature to the wiki? This would give a quantitative about the community's opinion... Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: built-in scripting languages.

What about: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Poll Seems strange not to have this extension in the wiki... Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OpenMoko light web server

and without bloat. Talking about squeak, what about http://www.seaside.st ? Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Openkapow, netvibes api: easy mashups; openmoko dashboard?

informations - web)? * what do you think of web mashups on mobiles? * any feedback about openkapow already? Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

[News] Dash, the internet-connected gps

Interesting concepts... http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/beta_test_a_dash_express_gps.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [News] Dash, the internet-connected gps

The issue with traffic movements is you really need the cell tower movement information from carriers, without this these traffic flows are at best an estimation. As for openmoko: What about, in car GPS mode, reporting unusual speed fluctuations? Ex: you're on a 130 km/h road, and your gps

Re: [News] Dash, the internet-connected gps

I would add that gprs is the only way to have a data link on a speed 50 km/h... And reporting stuff like average speed would be only a few ko ! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Fwd: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

changing these days, EFLs are stable and could be used for the best. Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Poky on the neo | e17 on openmoko

forking, it would be great. Thanks Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

[News]List of iphone competitors / neo appears twice :p

://www.engadget.com/2006/11/07/fics-linux-based-fic-gta001-gsm-smartphone-encourages-hacking/ Maybe, at the time of writing, the neo was only at planning stage? Cheers Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Choice of scripting langage: towards Web2.0?

What would be the best platform for using web 2.0 APIs? There are interesting web 2.0 services, almost all offering free-to-use APIs (http://www.programmableweb.com/), such as the recent netvibes crossplatform widget API http://dev.netvibes.com/ or Imity, who recently released an open source

Re: Multi-Touch

inputs. Hey, that's just what's needed :) How many free space do you have on such a screen? Ciao Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Multi-Touch

(or put the device on a table) I'm gonna do mockups... Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Multi-Touch

Mockups done (ugly, but gives an idea) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Handgesture_recognition_proposal In fact, we may not even need the fake multi touch thing, if we define a finger-mode zone. Just put your first finger on the wheel, and the second one has handgesture enabled...

Re: Multi-Touch

you move in a clockwise or counterclockwise direction. Added here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Extending_the_touchscreen_capabilities_and_input_methods Cheers And good night Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

to modify (but it's in libmokoui for now) - assembling ideas such as scrolling - assembling UI resources/papers/libs etc... But, that's true, wee need a really good, novative idea. So Brain up, community ! Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Would it be possible to get video captures or raw measurements of the touchscreen's reported coordinates? For instance, i'm pretty curious to know what exactly the touchscreen sees when you touch the screen with 2 fingers at the same time, when you move them, when you move only one of the 2,

Fwd: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

the touchscreen reports exotic uses. Regards Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Need report: can mass storage mode neo boot (on transflash)?

Some USB keys don't boot. If this is the case, it may be possible to fix them by installing a new master boot record. (Most keys boot OK by default; some cannot be fixed even by doing this. I can't know if a neo will boot or not without somebody trying, so could any happy neo owner test this?

Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

I forgot mentioning pocketsphinx (voice recognition), which has an openembedded port already ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

Hi I've been recently confronted to these questions for the tuxdroid project (which i intend to run on a NAS/Home router). About text-to-speech, eSpeak seems really interesting for embedded devices, plus it's more or less the only 100% free sotfware of this category (others, like festival /

Wiki update: bootable usb stock emulation

it to work, but it would be great to know. Thanks Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

I'll add here sotg from an off-list msg; In fact we have the position given by the touchscreen : [ x(t) ; y(t) ] speed is: [ (x(t') - x(t)) / (t' -t) ; (y(t') - y(t)) / (t' -t) ] - friction_factor*(t' - t) ... Where the friction_factor is in [0 ; 1] If we want acceleration, then we have to

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Take a look @ this iphone video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPqqfVLQ_qY There is: - it's as if the entire list is the scrolling bar, but reverted (finger down - scroll up) - the list follows the pointer - as soon as you stop touching, the list continues to scroll (in contrary to standard gtk

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

For the smooth transition effects you are describing, what part of the OpenMoko framework would have to be changed for this to work? GTK I guess... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

not sure i'll get a pre-version. So i'll let you start. Anyway, that's the spirit ! Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

coloring (for instance, taking the exact negative of the background on every point), so that it's still readable. About autocompletion/T9: are there plans for or already existing T9 implementations ? Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

to have some sort of T9 for command line, sophisticated autocompletion (sh should do that i guess), if we also want parameters autocompletion. What will the embedded terminal be? GPE's? Thanks Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: Back from FOSDEM

What is the easiest way to distribute the video? Bittorrent would seem easiest to me. Or if someone has bandwidth to burn, HTTP. Dailymotion / Youtube They have bw to burn :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Automatic Updates Notification for the Neo?

It should be. The package manager used by OpenEmbedded (ipkg) supports operations similar to yum and apt-get: Will there be an official/community repository? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges

yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems: You'd still have something hanging off the bottom of the phone. To me, the most valuable feature is the keyboard; a small one, but usable. And it's not something you use on mobility situation (in the streets...). With the not-sexy-at-all battery

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

What is Python? A scripting language. Much like perl, or bash/sh/csh/tcsh scripts - or AppleScipt if you've done that. Or MATLAB. That's great ! I didn't know there was python involved in openmoko... What parts? The networking one? (twisted?)

Boot mode: boot any computer on your openmoko device (storage mode?)

I would personally really like to be able to boot a computer on my linux phone, using a regular usb-miniusb cable. I know that USB boot isn't available on every computer in the same implementation, but nowaday's ones should. Woud it be possible, in file storage mode, or a dedicated boot mode,

Re: [openmoko-announce] OpenMoko Challenges

Sorry to ask this, but which hardware features will finally be integrated in this version? - bluetooth? - wifi (you mentioned it)? Thanks for clearing up my mind :) Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https

Re: OpenGL on the Neo1973??

Actually there is something called OpenGL ES (for Embedded Systems) which might come in handy. How well would it run without hardware acceleration? I'd appreciate hardware/software specs of the graphics device... Florent ___ OpenMoko community

Re: OpenMoko Challenges

One way would be for FIC to supply an optional fatter replacement battery that included one extra 1.5v cell, a wifi dongle, and the necessary circuitry for charging the additional cell after the regular ones were full, and supplying the 3.3 / 5v outlets. Could another one be to use a wifi

Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges

http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/CPH420MP.asp , available on Amazon There seem to be battery powered usb hubs ** *Hub 420 MP* The latest product innovation from CyberPower Systems provides you with the ability to easily connect and power up to four USB devices without an ac power adapter. The

Re: Free maps after all?

Just to mention, use of Google maps is not free, it comes only with their software, or trough the browser interface Of course. But, do you really think that the open source community will be able to add every POIs (shops, cafes, etc...) ? The content to generate (tagging streets etc..) is so

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

Would EDGE addition be a possibility, or are such changes too big? (apriori it's a change of the gsm module, dunno how different the AP's OS would have to be to follow) Regards Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Free maps after all?

Hi I know it's important to have binary maps archives, but wouldn't it be simpler/better/easier to do a google maps + GPS mashup application (before open source maps are complete)? Again, sadly no EDGE... Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management...

there will be enough devices for us to buy when it's ready for prime time... Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management...

- what about package management? apt-get like mecanism? Do you consider using mkezx ? An official binary repository?... for phase 1 we will use ipkg. For phase 2 we either would like to see an sqlite backend in ipkg (because the default one is really slow) or something written from scratch.

Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management.

I didn't find any self powered keyboard on google, but a lot of bluetooth / IR battery powered keyboards http://www.expansys.lu/p.aspx?i=112314 http://www.expansys.lu/n.aspx?f=132 http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:SU-8W,00.html A battery powered foldable keyboard

Re: Push Email

Hello, Simple curiosity: what's the data link used by blackberries for notification? It can't be gprs or sms... A GSM extension ? Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Missed call communication protocol

If this works I vote for it (for as long as it will work ...) However receiving SMS is also free no ? couldn't you use that ? Well, it may be free in your country, but not in mine :) No, the only free-of-charge thing is the signalization protocol...

Re: Missed call communication protocol

I like it too, but technically, it's a hidden channel (illegal...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Text messaging on the OpenMoko platform

. Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community