> I recently read this article about Devicescape:
> http://www.golem.de/0808/61846.html
> Which might solve your problems in the future.
what does it offer networkmanager can not do?
except storing your credentials somewhere out of your reach and control,
that is?
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> Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in
> the pictures :(
could you post a link to that pics?
i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in
"lanyard hole")
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> * ERROR: ppp-dialin.postinst returned 1
have a look at
/usr/lib/opkg/info/
there should the ppp-dialin.postinst be.
check that file for errors.
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> If someone is interested in blog posts about Openmoko in polish
> language, I recommend http://openmoko.opendevice.org/planeta/ page :)
if you promise to use no incomprehensible slang words or abbreviations (at
least not w/o glossary), i'll try to polish (no pun intended) my really
rusty and
> I can guarantee it didn't install till 24 hours ago. Missing
> dependencies:
> I stopped at libgcc.
it's build for 2007.2 with mokomakefile.
since i do have 2007.2 in flash and debian on sd card (with the prospect
to put debian into flash, now i know how to do that and back up my well
run
>> pdf
>
> Yes i would like to read EBook on my FR but i dont find a repository
> with a software to read that
boy, that's hard to infer from the question.
there should be epdfview somewhere, if not i built it a while ago
> http://ginguppin.de/node/21
but i won't guarantee it still installs.
bt
> us, we should not be dismissive but helpful. Just some advice.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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> Sorry for crashing this discussion, but could you clarify why there
> would be a difference between a png saved by tangogps and locations?
i wouldn't know -- i don't use locations.
but why shouldn't there be _no_ difference?
> If they both use the exact same areas, the exact same name, and they
> have found some problems that are knows from all, like :
> - the GPS need to have a internet connexion by USB or Wifi to get the Map
how is that a problem? since the maps are available over the net, you need
to get them somehow. if you don't like having the fr download 'em itself,
download t
> Read all about it on
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000415.html
> (for people that don't read the hardware list)
most interesting, thank you very much.
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> I don't think so :
did you compare the files?
i gather the naming derives from the gps location data, thus the file
names for the same areas should be the same regardless of the format being
different.
similar names are not sufficient, as said above -- compare the files
(identify -verbose
> I'm also on Debian. Isn't it best we use a normal screen save and lock
> solution?. Something like xscreensaver, but I'm still not sure it can
> be used without a keyboard.
as long as aux reliably produces a keyboard, that's no hindrance, isn't it?
> But having zhone lock itself is just dumb;),
> opkg updates the userland binaries and kernel modules, I'd say the most
> likely
> reason you're having problems is due to not updating your kernel.
opkg updates the kernel as well.
the next time you do opkg upgrade, check
a) the list of packages -- when kernel module packages are mentioned
> This of course won't do the GPS much good, but i think the real fix
> might be to give the SD card more clock cycles before and after commands
> to give it time to finish executing commands.
wouldn't it be sensible to turn on the sd clock before suspend and do
somthing? after resume the clock
> At the moment i got iceweasel running on my debian freerunner. It is
> also a firefox port which works great. I could use any original addon
> from mozilla. :)
i recently found out about midori -- a small webkit based browser,
available in the debian repositiories
> does in the "kernel" stage. You download the modules from
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/modules-2.6.24+git36+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2-om-gta02.tgz
> along and just untar them in /.
best to send a
depmod
after ...
> issues with the build was a PITA. So at the moment, you have to manually
> download the image from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/
> and put it in /boot.
am i mistaken or isn't that image w/o modules?
thus, simply copying the uImage.bin will pretty soon send us into a
situatio
> And GPS, is GPS fix in that kernel too ? :)
since it is an om-kernel and markedly younger than the gps fix, i strongly
assume so.
i had no time to check that little zhone gps thingy yet, so i don't know
for sure -- but if the rain stops for a while this afternoon, i will check
on my way ho
> And then i wanted to ask if there is a working way to rotate the xfce
> screen like with 2007.2?
the fbdev driver used does not support randr. the xglamo does, but it does
not play well w/ tslib out of the box, someone posted a workaround
recently making xglamo and tslib play together.
i don
> You must to add a tray icon area to panel!
i had -- the problem was simply that i had a task list applet (or whatever
the proper name is) and the panel does not obviously not resize entries to
show everything.
after removal of the applet the panel is shown.
_
> Just start openmoko-panel-plugin in the console and the status panel
> appears in xfce. :)
that's exactly my problem -- i do but the panel doesnt
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> xaos x and I finished our efforts to create a panel plugin to show you
> the power states of the FR hardware components without using zhone. it
uhm, how does one use it?
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> See my earlier mail on Youtube offering mp4 versions of their videos.
more interesting would be what parameters are used to encode them, fps,
resolution, ...
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> What can I do if anything to fix this?
did you do as
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_FAQ#How_to_use_an_external_USB_or_Bluetooth_keyboard_with_the_FreeRunner_.3F
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> I'm trying to dual boot with 2008.8 or debian on my uSD but fdisk tells
> ...
> qtopia's latest 20080808 image from their website.
now, i am confused.
do you use 2008.8 _or_ qtopia?
afair w/ 2008.8 there were no problems, but w/ qtopia qpe block the sd
card. some days ago a workaround for qtop
> and I can guess that the vN refers to a revision of my phone. Which
> phone do I have? Is it marked somewhere?
this has been discussed several times and exhaustingly.
wherever you look, mailinglist archives or wiki you should immediately
find that the only gta02 revision currently in the wild
awesome!
could you please put it into the wiki, debian page?
one thing for apt-get:
- you may install apt-zip -- it creates a script that downloads the
packages to update elsewhere
- maybe it would be sensible to use a shared folder of your host as apt
cache folder
both things together in a ni
> (install.sh had trouble partitioning my 4gb SDHC) so I haven't been able
> to install too many aps
> ...
> using Debian made all of this a breeze, can't wait to get my 4gb card
> working...
partition on your host and use later steps of install.sh -- or partition
on your host, mount and rsync t
> think about using the FR as a tablet pen??? It would be nice!
someone proposed using the fr like that a while ago.
but besides the sw-problems (it would require kernel module that presents
the fr as pointer device) it will probably kill the screen's surface in no
time.
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>> would be nice if a led flashed or the device wiggled slightly.
>
> *nod* will come soon.
i put a script to that effect into /etc/apm/suspend.d/ -- but it never got
called, whereas scripts in /etc/apm/resume.d/ do.
why is that?
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> Yes - I noticed that the AUX doesn't lock the screen anymore. I liked
> that - I wish we will get it back.
> The screen saver just kicks in after some idle time has passed.
pressing the pwr button for a few seconds does the trick mostly -- but
there's no indication and you easily press too lon
> How did you recreate the same partitioning ? Informations from my
> fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 before the corruption will be enough to recreate
> it the same way ?
yupp. just make sure you use "blocks" as unit.
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> did you still want to know about my kernel? was my information enough /
> usefull?
nope -- the funny part happens when suspending/resuming. since you don't
do that, there's no need.
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> "fine" means "with no troubles" ;)
>
> - bootsector corruption? I haven't tried booting off it yet
that's not necessary -- it manifest itself by total loss partition
informations
> - I've not seen any data corruption
> - I usually have power management turned off, because I don't trust it
ok
> Anyway my partition table is now crashed thanks to suspend/resume issue.
> I go digging in mailing list, I think I saw ways to recover... else
> I'll have to start from 0...
any linux distribution should offer tools to recover lost partitions and
recreate partitiontables.
i think parted is o
> * can I change this table order without losing partition data ?
nope.
> * can I have Extended partition number (mmcblk0p3 now) to be after the
> logical ones (so that mmcnlk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 refer to the 2 first
> logical ones, -just the same as in my 512MB card-) ?
nope. the logicla partitio
> I will look at this...
> (Well here I used GUI appli from ubuntu (gparted ?) to partition. Can
> I use this appli to change this ?)
of course, fdisk -l prints only the partition table.
> 1st partition is primary FAT
> then extended partition with 5 (!) ext3 logical partitions.
> and last one is
> 1 4gb FAT partition with the uImage.bin (one for each other partition)
why is that?
4gb just to host the kernels is ... waste.
> But I have now more partitions (and these 2 ext3 ones are logical
> ones now, and recognized as mmcblk0p5 and mmcblk0p6 instead of
> mmcblk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 befor
> I have a sandisk 8gb card, and it works just fine. I seem to recall
> reading somewhere that 8gb was the biggest a FR could handle? or was it
> that 8gb is the biggest that is known to work?
what means "fine" exactly?
- no bootsector corruption?
- no sudden data corruption?
- lost card on resume
> I ha(ve|d) this problem today, too, but don't know about any cause or
> solution...
i step in the right direction would have been to shorten the mail before
replying ;-)
first thing i'd try would be
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
if the errors persist, either your sd card is faulty or apt
>> doing 'ls -R /usr/lib/navit/' gives me a list of all the libraries set
>> out in a directory structure, so the libraries are there... any Ideas
>> why it's not finding them?
quick idea: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but ...
> 1699 stat64("/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so", 0xbe9c0a78) = -1 ENOENT (No
these
> couldn't all informations on applications be extracted from ipks ?
> Like what is done on http://packages.debian.org/stable/.
sadly, the ipks do not contain that kind of information.
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> i want to compile the game lincity for the freerunner and everything
> worked fine, but it doesn't works. it wants to cd in the sources-dir pon
> my desktop (which is of course not available on my freerunner).
you probably missed one step in the installation process that sets the
pathes.
try c
> well these guys obviously think all their customers are stupid, found
> this on their main page
sorry?
> 1. Increase your productivity by up to 30%!
> 2. Prolong the life of your touch screen and PDA.
> 3. Decrease the need to clean your screen.
> 4. TrueTip styluses reduce costly repairs due t
> http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16138
poses the question where to put when you don't need it. a little regular
stylus (i i use those for nintendo ds after some sharpening/shortening)
can be put in your pocket w/o much harm, but that thing looks a bit bulky.
> I wonder whether to use FSO or OM2008.8 on my freerunner. What are the
fso is rather a design study -- it's intended to be a vehicle to develop a
framework which applications might use to communicate with each other and
the device.
right now there's not much more but phone, sms, contacts and
> I have thought about boring a hole into the case
i really like to see that :-)
*scnr*
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> You can "simply" swap the contents of menu_2 and the one above it (don't
nope. didn't help -- now, when booting after only "pwr" the kernel panics
because it's not able to mount root.
aux+pwr boots, though.
i try flashing u-boot (the menu is part of u-boot, i presume?)
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could someone please post (or put in the debian-wiki) the original
boot-menu?
debian is nice to play around -- buth zhone is to limited and xfce does
not allow to make/recive calls and so on ..
since the fr is my sole phone i'd like it to boot the flash per default,
not the sd card.
how do you manage to get the keyboard running?
selecting from menu accessories->keyboard
leads only to
matchbox-keyboard: *Error* Error parsing
in Xorg-log.
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> i had the same problems. simply download
> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal and cat it again
> in /etc/pointercal. i don't know why there is a version for fso and
> non-fso ... i thought that the calibration data should be independent of
> the framework.
ah, well -- that di
> until then you can install is yourself (its the tab+hold version)
> http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5
> +fso2_armel.deb
thanks for the fast work -- but it seems to damage calibration.
in the upper left corner stylus and pointer are at the same position, but
the more
>> opkg --help
>> might be interesting to read ...
>
> I have done that Many times.
> Are there anything specific there you are referring to?
there should be smth like -force-downgrade.
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opkg --help
might be interesting to read ...
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> I is fantastic, the only thing you need is a bigger Micro SD card,
> because the 512Mb one shipped is sufficent only for the base image and
> pidgin.
how do you manage to right click?
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> Will do, the only problem is that I don't know how to suspend/resume in
> 2007.2. Wasn't it a terminal command, or something to that effect?
apm -s
or
echo "mem" > /sys/power/state
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>> PLEASE do not try to "improve" it .
i was not talking about improvements but fixes
- recognizing "aeo" as AltGr is not easy
- up/down/left/right are not easily recognizable (at ^, <, > i expect the
respective char to be printed)
- at least the extendend keyboard prints every time "?" when hi
what's wrong with libgtkstylus? i thought it did that kind of thing and
it's used (short survey via google) for xfce on internet tablet.
additionally, i found a posting of someone doing that same thing to
kdrive/tslib
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2004-June/001233.html
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> Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then
> press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between
> application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-)
as long as the keyboard is fully functional ...
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> So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read:
> recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :)
i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to
be able to use the phone part.
at least i'd like to know how i do access installed application
> See: https://lwuit.dev.java.net/ , It's gplv2 with classpath exception.
> Maybe somebody will find this useful.
afaik there's no java me stack for the fr. only java se.
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what amount of space is required?
due to problems with my 4 gig card (i/o errors because of a bug in
openmoko) i use a 512mb card that shipped w/ the fr and right now in
"debian" stage tha card is at it's limit: about 430mb, ~10 left.
i will remove the content of /var/cache/apt/archives and
/
>> > The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right.
>> > But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot
>> > debian from
>> > the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image
>> > (currently
>> > 2008.08)?
>>
>> the tools are to be used on your host c
> The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right.
> But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian
> from
> the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image
> (currently
> 2008.08)?
the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think.
#!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF
# Create autoload entries for the device drivers
add-autoload-sink output module-alsa-sink sink_name=output
add-autoload-source input module-alsa-source source_name=input
# Load several protocols
load-module module-esound-protocol-unix
load-module module-simple-protocol-
thanks godness, it's weekend!
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> question is: is which version should I install on the sd card? The
what you like best.
> official 2008.8 release and try to update that or install the version
> from the build host? Also updates don't seem to work (I have usb
> networking and added a nameserver to resolve.conf).
w/o useful inf
> Well, I'd consider that...a hack, at best. What if the version of the
> package does not match? What if I need to add a library which has not
> yet been packaged? However, thanks for the tip!
if that "hack" works, it means the build system is looking for headers and
so on in system wide pathes
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:56:11 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied:
according to google there seem to be a few messages with a similar problem
-- dbus.freedesktop.org mentions that dbus includes security policies but
nothing more.
> Well, at least 2007.2 does _nothing_ to turn off unsolicited messages on
> suspend IRRC.
i got two scripts ready, livin in /etc/apm/suspend.d/ and
/etc/apm/resume.d/ respectively, which got pretty much rid of these.
they execute the same at commands qtopia does.
only after a couple of hours (8
> When the 2D/3D graphics drivers are released, only the kernel portions
> will be GPL. The user-space libraries will be closed source by the
> current plan of record.
>
> I guess this is good enough. I dont think we are getting anything more
> with Glamo as well
i don't think it is enough.
not g
> I'm more likely to provide *.deb, actually, but that's just because
> I'm an arrogant, smug, elitist Debian bastard (and not ashamed of it,
> either).
yeah! that's the spirit!
you don't have by chance a blog or so where you jot down your experiences
with debian on fr? i think, i am going to
> Half an hour. 15 commands to copy and paste. How much more
> hand-holding does a developer need?
that's only part of the story!
the stuff mokomakefile gets you is already prepared to be build with
bitbake&cie -- which does not mean that everything builds at all (frinst
vlc fails complete
>> aaah - but this is what om wants! as per will's words (product
>> management for
>> OM): "Everyone should fork. Everyone should create their own
>> distribution"
>> ...
>> this is om's intention and desire.
>>
>
> Explain to me the reasoning behind forking the software at this point.
silly
> are these known problems ?
afaik, yes.
> how can I get the FR up with empty batteries, how to charge an empty
> battery ?
the way you did.
it is annoying (though i only once and recently was in that situation) and
i would expect it to be fixed -- other dives shut down if battery falls
b
> handle that with the full body IS?
have a look at the website and check for what they mean with "full body".
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> probably work well for something with a flat face like an iPod, but I
they got several vidoes showing how you make the protector fit even
corners and curves.
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> What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check
> for new messages if you're on your provider's own network, not when
> you are on holiday in Spain.
i am afraid that's beyond the scope of the solution i outlined.
though i guess as soon as the necessary informations are avai
>> > inotify
>>
>> does inotify tell you if the card was manipulated outside the fr?
>
> No, inotify is an observer at runtime.
thought so.
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> What if you've got some processes running of that SD card? You'll need
> to kill them before unmounting the card.
we're speaking of a workaround, do we?
> And then, your suspend&resume will look more and more like
> "shutdown&restart".
why, atm it looks more like shutdown & reinstall ...
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>> wouldn't it be sensible to have some flag or checksum indicating
>> that the card and it's content are unchanged
>
> inotify
does inotify tell you if the card was manipulated outside the fr?
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>> for the proxy: as someone mentioned before -- there is a global variable
>> defining the proxy .
>
> Does this mean that I have to re-start my applications when I connect ?
> Not optimal ...
i don't think so -- checking the proxy variable should be transparent to
the apps and done by which la
> I did the second method successfully, but now I don't have the other
> icons (wifi, BT, battery, etc.) in the upper line.
did you restart X or reboot?
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> If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to
> see/use files on it, so then why have it at all?
wouldn't it be sensible to have some flag or checksum indicating that the
card and it's content are unchanged, thus preventing unnecessary searching?
i do not use qtopia, s
> It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see
> if it helps.
not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and
remount on resume?
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> If I take a concrete example : my ~/.wgetrc.
> i wan't to connect to internet
> - from home, with wifi, I have direct access to internet.
> - from work, with wifi, I must use a proxy.
> - from outside, I must use GPRS with another proxy.
>
> It's easy to make a script that will update .wgetrc.
i need either a new keyboard or new hands ...
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>> you can do that in wpa_supplicant.conf.
>> just add your different wifi-aps to the conf (it does wep and no enc,
>> too)
>> and let wpa_supplicant handle it.
> I'll take a look.
> But there must be something I don't understand.
> Because if wpa_supplicant handle only wifi, what about usb, gprs
> Look in the "daily" directory of buildhost, e.g.
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080809/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr54+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin
well, there's always a file called
uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin
(hint, hint)
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> I used the spiffy new installer to install xterm. The install went
> without any errors. Where is it? Its not on the main page? Its
> listed in the "uninstall" list of the installer?
please post it to support.
else check where the *.desktop file lives (opkg files xterm) and check it
for t
> my resolv.conf is blank every time I boot up?
first: it's an issue rather for support.
second: it has been reported already (should even be mentioned under
"known issues") and there have been several proposals for a workaround:
- add echo "nameserver XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX" > /etc/resolv.conf to your
> But who would buy a $400 phone with just looking at pictures or reading a
iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it)
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> I guess it may be done from the FR itself... but I'm afraid it's
> difficult to move things from the very live system you're running.
i'd think the only thing to care about would be /var/.
just as idea: rsync the whole of the fr to the sd card and diff after a
while to see which parts changed.
> Not so easy :
> - you may have 2 places where the same interface has different
> parameters (wifi at home and wifi at work ...). So you can't just add
you can do that in wpa_supplicant.conf.
just add your different wifi-aps to the conf (it does wep and no enc, too)
and let wpa_supplicant handl
> Pricing? And what about w/o AT&T card? I have a phone-free E-Plus (german
> provider) here.
with ata&t it will probably be the 850 variety -- so only limited use in
germany (eplus uses 1800 _and_ 900, too)
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> Correct! My guess is that once Google releases the source, Freerunner
> will be among the first non-partner platforms that Android runs on.
sure? i expected the embeddedubuntu people to embrace the freerunner as
first really available device -- but they still do their stuff for armv5
...
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> "- A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia.
according to several reports at least that has not been achieved.
besides the keyboard issue (which is probably rather easy to hack) that's
what is stopping me from switching to 2008.8.
i use the fr as sole phone (i get very seldom
hi,
is there a place where the packages available in the oe/om source repos
are described?
when looking through the code amassed by mokomakefile i often wonder what
kind of apps might be hidden behind some of these hermetic names ...
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> Bah, this is really terrible thinking. Whats wrong with making a
> purely finger-friendly interface, besides laziness?
screen real estate.
i might be wrong but i imagine "finger friendly" with large buttons and so
on, taking up a lot of space.
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