Lowell Higley
writes:
So I would say that no, the device drivers will not be open
source. I would say the developer community would be provided with
binary kernel modules.
I guess that would be very likely to be considered a GPL violation
then.
I guess I should read the
Margo wrote:
The Officer S101 seems interesting:
http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html
http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html
Wow. At least a _useable_ hw keyboard. That is, one that has a couple
of keys to the right of 'p' and 'l'. Which is
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote:
Lowell Higley higleylh-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org
writes:
So I would say that no, the device drivers will not be open
source. I would say the developer community would be provided with
binary kernel
On 2/11/10, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org writes:
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +, William Kenworthy wrote:
Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong,
there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Marc-Olivier Barre
ma...@marcochapeau.orgwrote:
On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy
bi...@iinet.net.auwrote:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality
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On 4/01/10 02:12, William Kenworthy wrote:
What others are available NOW?
The Geeksphone One could also be a possibility:
http://www.geeksphone.com/en/moviles/
It has been discussed here before and they are apparently in contact
with people in
2010/1/8 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca
There have been improvements, but it's been very slow, and IMO we're still
a *long* way from having a phone with even a half-decent user experience...
and there is nothing we can do can fix issues like the poor glamo bandwidth,
and the crappy
On 1/8/10, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
So Im back to my waiting position. In a year or so, my decision will be
crystal-clear;-)
Just don't hold your breath :)
In one year you will have more devices to choose from.
Do you remember when there was only iPhone and Neo? :)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.auwrote:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far
On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy
bi...@iinet.net.auwrote:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more
Hi,
Haven't been reading the list much in a long time... I have a Neo, which
I never could use as a day-to-day phone, due to battery life. Now I've
got an N900, just wanted to comment on this:
From: Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com
I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.ccwrote:
Just want to say thanks for writing this up!
It's tough, but I think you pretty much sum up the experience of a lof of
people. It's the best that we could achieve (I worked for Openmoko before).
I understand - I hope
2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com:
What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end
model to nokia.
There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810
Huh? That looks like 3 models to me. And the N900 makes 4.
(Note that n700 should be
Hi,
On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:10:49AM +, Neil Jerram wrote:
Doesn't the N900 use the standard Debian archive? (I only know that
part of the community has pushed for that for a long time...)
I don't know about that.
If it does, the question becomes whether the e libraries are in Debian.
On Friday 08 January 2010 11:10:49 Neil Jerram wrote:
2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com:
What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end
model to nokia.
There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810
Huh? That looks like 3 models
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote:
From the same point of view, I expect that further expansion of this
platform will depend massively on whether N900 is successful.
Firstly, whether it sells in large numbers; secondly, whether Nokia
estimate that
[...]
I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today
on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it.
Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I
know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend
2010/1/4 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au:
Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
Probably, but to be more precise not yet instead of at this time.
It's the only one that seems to have realistic possibility of some day
having a free distribution running with all features
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/1/4 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au:
Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
Probably, but to be more precise not yet instead of at this time.
It's the only one that seems to have realistic
Warren,
I've been using my FR for 1.5 years, as my primary phone for a lot of that
time(on QtEI and the more recently shr-u), and I must admit I'm getting more
and more frustrated with it - between the regular crashes and hangs, the
incredibly slow performance (so slow that I still
Timo,
I'd really hope for FreeRunner with 3G and Glamo ripped off, possibly
newer CPU some day. For example some company joining gta02-core
effort to semi-productize something new...
Yeah definitely.
There are a number of efforts going on to regroup, here's my perspective
on the lower layers
2010/1/9 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca:
having a free distribution running with all features enabled. But it's
Depends a bit on how you define 'free'... I interact with a phone mostly
as a user, and possibly as a app developer - so for me if I can run free
software on it, and I
2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net
wrote:
The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it
would
be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open.
http://maemo.org
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
somehow put fso on it?
- Google Nexus
http://www.google.com/phone/
Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and
after that, you
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote:
2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com
[...]
http://maemo.org
You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling
or even the
battery charger daemon is closed source.
But there's
2010/1/7 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com
It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to
FSO/OE/SHR staff.
Excellent idea.
___
Openmoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to
FSO/OE/SHR staff.
Excellent idea.
+1
Wonderful.
How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with
contract or what... what service could we use?
Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get enough
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
somehow put fso on it?
- Google Nexus
http://www.google.com/phone/
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
What do you think which mobile phone has the most
On Thursday 07 January 2010 21:57:01 Bastian Muck wrote:
Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
What do you think which mobile phone
Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 18:55 +0100 schrieb Petr Vanek:
It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to
FSO/OE/SHR staff.
Excellent idea.
+1
Wonderful.
How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with
contract or what... what service
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
- Nokia N900
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least
somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera)
unknown though.
What I
What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
somehow put fso on it?
- Google Nexus
http://www.google.com/phone/
- Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid)
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN
Already
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Laszlo KREKACS
laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
somehow put fso on it?
- Google Nexus
http://www.google.com/phone/
The Nexus One has an unlockable bootloader built-in--just agree to
the
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 17:28:07 Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
somehow put fso on it?
- Nokia N900
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would
be possible to
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote:
The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would
be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open.
http://maemo.org
You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:54 +
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
FSO
+1100, Neil Brown wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:54 +
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which
disappearing :(
BillK
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 19:01 +1100, Neil Brown wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:54 +
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more
2010/1/4 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
FSO/SHR (I think), and access through
Am Montag, den 04.01.2010, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Margo:
The Officer S101 seems interesting:
http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html
http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html
Unfortunately it has been just around the corner and almost out for
about 5
This is one I was not aware of - looks nice but its still not 3G capable
BillK
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 20:08 +0200, Margo wrote:
2010/1/4 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au:
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt
What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system
is minimal.
Flow
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