Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-07 Thread vasco . nevoa
Citando Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > So, I think, making pessure to the firm that produce Glamo, is the only > possibility to get very open our hardware. > Given the legal situation, I agree. Let's pester them with a ton of emails! :) Maybe we could get the FSF and GNU into this as wel

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-07 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Which prompts me to ask: when FIC/OM chose this chip, what was their > plan? they knew that it had IP strings attached, and yet they chose it > anyway. They must have had some kind of plan to make it compatible > with "

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-07 Thread vasco . nevoa
> > Agreed. Why does nobody seem to be addressing/acknowledging this issue > (or am I just looking in the wrong places)? An April 2008 post on the > mailing list suggests that SMedia want $15,000 to release the docs under > NDA to anyone outside of Openmoko employees. If this is the case, and > nob

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-07 Thread Jay Vaughan
> Agreed. Why does nobody seem to be addressing/acknowledging this issue > (or am I just looking in the wrong places)? An April 2008 post on the > mailing list suggests that SMedia want $15,000 to release the docs > under > NDA to anyone outside of Openmoko employees. If this is the case, and > n

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-07 Thread Aaron Sowry
Jay Vaughan wrote: >> Yes, but you can use it only if you promise that you will not show to >> others how to use it (NDA)! >> So, for me is like it doesn't exist! >> > > IF only we had OpenGL on the Freerunner by now, imagine the amazing > apps we could write .. geeze guys, what a big disapp

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-07 Thread Jay Vaughan
> Yes, but you can use it only if you promise that you will not show to > others how to use it (NDA)! > So, for me is like it doesn't exist! IF only we had OpenGL on the Freerunner by now, imagine the amazing apps we could write .. geeze guys, what a big disappointment the Glamo is .. ; -- Ja

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juergen Schinker wrote: > his Graphics chip-set can do 3D Acceleration AFAIK Yes, but you can use it only if you promise that you will not show to others how to use it (NDA)! So, for me is like it doesn't exist! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Versio

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 15:19:32 Michele Renda wrote: > > I think that before to test something you must to know what are you > testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say: > > Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :) OM is just not there yet. Be fair, no excuses p

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Juergen Schinker
Michele Renda wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Norbert Hartl wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Norbert Hartl wrote: >>> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: > Nobody expected from a mobile ph

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Christian Blaesing
Christian Weßel, Mittwoch, 6. August 2008: > the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just > in german language) > http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html This article is not very good. Aside from some wrong facts, it seems a bit tendentious to me. Such bad press from a very pop

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 09:36 -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote: > Yeah, someone who is reviewing this device from the mindset of an end user is > someone who's producing a useless review. It says 'Not for end users' all > over its site long before you try to buy one. Are they writing a review for > peo

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread arne anka
> But is it marketed as a phone or not? Yes, it is marketed as a > phone. Thus, to review it as a phone is only fair. imo the intended audience was not outlined very clear by om, thus the snafu with end-user vs developer continues. what turned me off was the point on the gear icon -- there was

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Jay Vaughan
> Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :) But is it marketed as a phone or not? Yes, it is marketed as a phone. Thus, to review it as a phone is only fair. Otherwise, it should've been marketed as a linux computer with a phone peripheral in it .. ; -- Jay Vaughan

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Benoy
Yeah, someone who is reviewing this device from the mindset of an end user is someone who's producing a useless review. It says 'Not for end users' all over its site long before you try to buy one. Are they writing a review for people who don't read? If you ask me, FIC should have shipped the

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Tilman Baumann
Michele Renda wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Norbert Hartl wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: >>> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. >>> >>> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I >>> bet the

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Norbert Hartl wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: > >> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. > >> > >> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerun

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Iker Berasaluce
Christian Weßel said > Googles English is horrible. :-) Googles translations are awful in all languages lol -- Iker Berasaluce Departamento de Informatica Fulcrum SA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmo

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: >> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. >> >> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I >> bet they haven't tested it for more than

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: > This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. > > So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I > bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. > Fow how long do you think you should check a device before writ

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Tobias Kündig
This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. The funniest thing: They say the icons are bad. i.e. the «gears»-Tab is not for Settings, it's for the favorites menu. Never hear

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Christian Weßel
Googles English is horrible. :-) Am Mittwoch, den 06.08.2008, 07:29 -0400 schrieb Charles Pax: > 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi folks, > > the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly > just in > german language) >

Re: FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Charles Pax
2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi folks, > > the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in > german language) > http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html > Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.html&hl

FR at golem.de

2008-08-06 Thread Christian Weßel
Hi folks, the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in german language) http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.