Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
On Jul 30, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Rod Whitby wrote: Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the Graffiti trademark .. Hmm ... someone could just as well say: Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the OpenMoko trademark .. Is someone actually developing something which uses the OpenMoko

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Ortwin Regel
Worrying about worrying about the trademark issue is even more irrelevant. Pointing things like this out early is a good thing. Further discussion about the trademark issue isn't necessary, though, it's annoying. Ortwin On 7/30/07, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 30, 2007, at 7:50

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
Agreed. So can we try to maintain focus on the immediate tactical and technical advances that we can actually accomplish? ; On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Ortwin Regel wrote: Worrying about worrying about the trademark issue is even more irrelevant. Pointing things like this out early is

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Giles Jones
On 30 Jul 2007, at 11:21, Ortwin Regel wrote: Worrying about worrying about the trademark issue is even more irrelevant. Pointing things like this out early is a good thing. Further discussion about the trademark issue isn't necessary, though, it's annoying. What if they contribute

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread David \Lefty\ Schlesinger
Jay Vaughan wrote: it just happens that Graffiti is what people know finger painting on your PDA to be .. its common enough to warrant usage as a word referring to the activity of finger-painting symbols for recognition on a devices surface. No, sorry, this is incorrect, and precisely _why_ I

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
I just think it's a bit rich to be following this project if you don't care about creative freedom. I'd much sooner create a new input system anyway. i'm rather fond of using xyz position sensors to roll balls around word-chains, myself .. in my opinion there definitely ought to be more

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread David \Lefty\ Schlesinger
Giles Jones wrote: Except that OpenMoko is a completely made up phrase which has no other use in the English language. That's completely irrelevant, I'm afraid. (By the way, there was a Cafe Moko right around the corner from my hotel in London; I've got a picture of the sign someplace...)

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Giles Jones
On 30 Jul 2007, at 15:35, David Lefty Schlesinger wrote: Trademarks exist in specific contexts for particular usages, they're not a global thing. I'm obligated to deal with trademark law as I find it; if you wish it were something different, you'll need to write your Congressional

RE: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread David Schlesinger
So by using fingers instead of a stylus we're not talking about the same use case anyway. That's certainly not clear to me. Are you policing this project for violations? Not at all, that's a silly idea; as I've said, I simply _am_ obligated to point out when a trademark held by my employer is

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
On Jul 30, 2007, at 4:35 PM, David Lefty Schlesinger wrote: Trademarks exist in specific contexts for particular usages, they're not a global thing. I'm obligated to deal with trademark law as I find it; if you wish it were something different, you'll need to write your Congressional

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Giles Jones
On 30 Jul 2007, at 16:08, David Schlesinger wrote: Not at all, that's a silly idea; as I've said, I simply _am_ obligated to point out when a trademark held by my employer is being misused, and that's simply a condition of having the trademark. True, but these are just ramblings, the

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Dylan McCall
Bah, forget graffiti! It's too difficult; the computer should be able to help you with it, but it doesn't. It essentially says do this unnecessary work. Using graffiti is like using a help file. (And I have a pretty long rant on those somewhere). If a really clever person sat down and drew lots

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Giles Jones writes: Are you policing this project for violations? Look, he pointed out a potential trademark issue, which will have to be considered if some sort of ungraffiti is to be distributed. There really isn't any reason to keep going on about it.

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
Are you policing this project for violations? Look, he pointed out a potential trademark issue, which will have to be considered if some sort of ungraffiti is to be distributed. There really isn't any reason to keep going on about it. right. so how would this ungraffiti work, exactly?

Finger Graffiti

2007-07-29 Thread Nkoli
in the text recognition. Also, a find as you write feature will be handy for finding folders in the main menu, names in the contact list or numbers in the logs, basically reducing scrolling through areas that aren't primarily text based. The benefits of this finger graffiti are that it has a learning

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-29 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
David \Lefty\ Schlesinger writes: Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want to find some alternate terminology. Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job... Much as I've liked Graffiti on my Palm...

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-29 Thread Giles Jones
On 30 Jul 2007, at 01:38, David Lefty Schlesinger wrote: Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want to find some alternate terminology. Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job... It's a

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-29 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Michael Welter writes: So, who are they going to sue??? Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a result. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-29 Thread Jay Vaughan
Michael Welter writes: So, who are they going to sue??? Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a result. Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the Graffiti trademark .. can't you just

Re: Finger Graffiti

2007-07-29 Thread Kyle Bassett
I think David went about it as well as he could.. although I feel by using Graffiti-like Nkoli did not breach trademark rights, just used it as an example. We do need to come up with another name in the near future, because we cannot release software called Graffiti. I know most of us are