Sorry for the delay in commenting, not been keeping up with the MLs.
Michael Shiloh wrote:
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- Merge the debug board function on to the phone, perhaps with internal
micro USB used for debricking and hacking. No write-once memory.
- Discard U-Boot, minimal bootloader direct to kernel
I bet if you could name such a device, they would have no problem in using it for future products.
I bet that if my incomes would exclusively depend on producing such a
device, i would use time to search for it.
Everything i do, or sale, depends on free software (even for drivers),
even if
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
I think it would be the best way...
And why is it not fair?
He would be a real part of the project. What's wrong with that?
Well, why not. i'm not concerned. just to be asked to the chip vendor.
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Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
Dear Hervé,
here is my perspective:
[...;]
Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation is
engineers can. Again we could only do this with vendors who understand
what we are doing, trust us, and generally agree to the idea. We would
what if you become part of openmoko? Just sign some kind of work
contract (like other freelancers had and still have with openmoko),
but with only USD 1 in return for your work, adding a clause that you
keep the copyright on your work?
This way you are legally part of openmoko, have access
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Subject:Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
Author: herve couvelard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 03rd April 2008 2:21 pm
what if you become part of openmoko? Just sign some kind of work
contract (like other freelancers
I like this idea, I think this is legally OK and if we are open and
honest about it, may even become an accepted practice known to our
vendors.
Need to do some more checks on that...
Wolfgang
On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Harald Welte wrote:
On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:32:31AM +0100, Tom
I think it would be the best way...
And why is it not fair?
He would be a real part of the project. What's wrong with that?
cheers
Sebastian
Am Donnerstag, den 03.04.2008, 23:17 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul:
I like this idea, I think this is legally OK and if we are open and
honest about
Dear Hervé,
here is my perspective:
Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation
is just a necessary evil to them, they are trying to get away with the
minimum amount of documentation that will still sell the chip.
Unless in very few cases, chip vendors do not see good
Could also put an FPGA between the processor and the display, and
maybe some developers will figure out how to accelerate the most
frequently used drawing functions. Just an idea... I know it's a long
shot and probably takes too much power too... but for a while there
was an open PCI video card
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Dear Hervé,
here is my perspective:
Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips
On Sunday 30 March 2008 13:42:23 Harald Welte wrote:
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Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
2. Actually, is
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 11:07:47 Andy Green wrote:
There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be
possible we can write detailed header files for an open driver which
contain register and bitfield enums and comments for the 3D unit. If we
did write our own we would
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| 5) Some poor person tries to write a driver without the docs. :-/
There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be
possible
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| On Wednesday 02 April 2008 11:07:47 Andy Green wrote:
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On Wednesday 02 April 2008 18:32, Tom Cooksey wrote:
On Sunday 30 March 2008 13:42:23 Harald Welte wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote:
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Somebody
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote:
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:02:54 -0400
Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The openness is much appreciated!! The hack value of this phone is
really mind-boggling. IMHO It could become to this generation's young
hackers what the old Apple IIs and Commodores were to my generation.
As for the
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the
graphics chip, or is that too bogged down with NDA-ness? Are we stuck
porting Mesa3D?
Chance, sure, but the NDA situation is pretty bad it turns out for the
Glamo.
4. Personally,
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the
graphics chip, or is that too bogged down with NDA-ness? Are we stuck
porting Mesa3D?
Chance, sure,
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| On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Somebody in the thread at some point said:
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| 2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the
| graphics
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No the host controllers for 12Mbps and 480Mbps USB -- and firewire the
same -- are all set up around DMA, so bulk transport isn't so expensive
in CPU for any of them. As the
Hi everyone,
I wanted to point out to you something that has been happening quietly
for awhile now.
Often discussions start on Openmoko internal mailing lists. Suddenly we
realize the discussion is important and that there is no reason for it
to remain internal.
There is a constant trend
The openness is much appreciated!! The hack value of this phone is
really mind-boggling. IMHO It could become to this generation's young
hackers what the old Apple IIs and Commodores were to my generation.
As for the 6400 vs the 2443, is there any reason to prefer the 2443?
The 6400 seems
What would be interesting to know: What is the next thing Openmoko
wants to do? A GTA03 Neo device with some changes in functionality
but keeping the general design? An entirely new device with possibly
other/revolutionary design goals? Multiple devices at the same time?
How about a TI OMAP3 as
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a constant trend of moving these discussions from internal
lists to public lists. Many Openmoko employees do this, but I'd
particularly like to publicly thank Wolfgang Spraul for championing this
and for
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