Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-31 Thread Minh Ha Duong
There is no need to volunteer to edit a wiki ! It is based on trust. Just do what you think is obviously needed. If someone disagree they will simply revert your changes. I don't think forking is a good idea, we still have not completely moved the content from the old wiki to this new wiki.

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-31 Thread Brian Wilson
> I'd love to volunteer to tidy the wiki up. Also, it might be better to just > fork the openmoko wiki and make another one (Since the GNU FDL allows it, and > the 'openmoko' URL isn't entirely appropriate if we're talking about > Debian+Android running on a Treo, as an example.) How would all

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-31 Thread David Samblas
ko' URL isn't entirely appropriate if we're talking about > Debian+Android running on a Treo, as an example.) How would all of you feel > about that? > > P.S. I agree with the sentiment below. As well, developers and power users > with special applications n

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-31 Thread Daniel Benoy
an example.) How would all of you feel about that? P.S. I agree with the sentiment below. As well, developers and power users with special applications need detailed documentation even on mainstream phones. On Wednesday 30 July 2008 13:47:08 steve wrote: > Perfectly put > > > >

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-31 Thread BrendaWang
As Sean said , I really need more time to improve wiki . 1.Test cases is for Openmoko test team. I put it on main page , let them easy to find that. (That's why ). Yes, 90% of users won't use this link. I will discuss with our test team. Change the link to somewhere else. 2.Yes, from the very be

RE: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-30 Thread steve
Perfectly put -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Wilson Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:37 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS Maybe you are not happy because you think it's just a phon

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Brian Wilson
Okay -- I see your perspective and I agree but I think people are calling it "a phone" because that's a convenient handle. For my 10 minute test yesterday it worked just like a phone. I dialed, it connected. It rang, I answered. Another 10 minutes and I'd probably know how to answer on the first tr

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Brian Wilson
Maybe you are not happy because you think it's just a phone. To me it's a complete programmable handheld computer which happens to have a GSM phone feature. The phone is a fairly insignificant feature for some of us. If all you want is a phone, go to the supermarket, they have really nice ones ther

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Steven **
You misunderstand. A PHONE should need no documentation. The Neo is more than a phone. So, some features may need some documentation. But the phone part of it should just work. But really, I'm having trouble thinking of a feature I would use regularly that would be acceptable to require documen

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Vinc Duran
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Luke Scharf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then your co-workers should get iPhones! I thought OpenMoko was for > those of us who would embrace a machine with a learning-curve for extra > capability. Probably the same crowd who uses Linux on the desktop. I read so

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Vinc Duran
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. > > In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it > to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out > without documentation. > > -Steven If y

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Luke Scharf
Steven ** wrote: > A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. > > In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it > to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out > without documentation. > Then your co-workers should get iPhones! I thought OpenMoko was

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Steven **
A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A phone without us

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Scott
A phone without usable documentation is a door stop. Scott Robert Schuster wrote: I was under the impression that OpenMoko is a company about selling a mobile phone not a community Wiki ... Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi, Scott schrieb: > [snip] I was under the impression that OpenMoko is a company about selling a mobile phone not a community Wiki ... Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list communit

RE: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Josh Monson
y, July 28, 2008 8:04 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS Vinc, I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual "Only for Geeks" Linix/OS project. They way it

RE: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread steve
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:01AM -0600, Scott wrote: > The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki". > > a few easy example on the main page. Well

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Scott Derrick
Sean, OK, I'll hop off the box for now. And thanks for letting us know you folks are aware of the problem and working on it. Scott Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 7/28/08 Scott Derrick wrote: >> I agree there have been some improvements. >> >> But the main page is still really broken! I would lov

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > May I suggest to replace the internal search with a search on google ? > (something like "site:wiki.openmoko.org what-i-search"). I once configured a MediaWiki we were using for internal documentation at a place I worked to

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 7/28/08 Scott Derrick wrote: > I agree there have been some improvements. > > But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this > project succeed beyond the usual "Only for Geeks" Linix/OS project. > > They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user > is

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Scott Derrick
Vinc, I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual "Only for Geeks" Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Vinc Duran
You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The OM Wiki is still a prime example

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Mike Baroukh
I had a FR on friday and I can configure that finding informations on the wiki is hard. May I suggest to replace the internal search with a search on google ? (something like "site:wiki.openmoko.org what-i-search"). > Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it I personaly think that this is t

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:01AM -0600, Scott wrote: > The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki". > > a few easy example on the main page. Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.