Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
They are all funky in this regard. Having worked for a chip company before I can tell you they are very afraid of this. The issue with the way the architecture went, as I think I said before, is that more registers are exposed to the host because the chip only does the real time aspects of the

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
I did some research on Nanoradio for my employer. They have very good specs, actually the best I've seen for power. I'm not sure how mature the product is. Nowhere does it mention opensource. Marty Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:50:49 -0800 From: Steve Bibayoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, On

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Harald Welte
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:01:08AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote: In my opinion, unless there is another company that can meet his requirements, the only real answer is to have an SDIO interface and let the end user/developer decide how to load a binary into the kernel from the chipset

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now if some of you ask yourself: But you're having binary-only GPS code! My answer is: 1) it's in userspace, and thus not a legal issue at all. Nobody argues that running Oracle on top of a Linux kernel is a GPL violation. No grey arae.

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Harald Welte
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:51:37AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote: I disagree with that premise that it is a nasty legal area. Modules can be proprietary this is a fact. Not only have I been directly involved in the development of such, but have talked to people that did serious research

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Imre Kaloz
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:51:37 +0100, Martin Lefkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree with that premise that it is a nasty legal area. Modules can be proprietary this is a fact. Grey area, but hard to argue until they use any GPL code or symbol. If it were not then everybody would

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are biting the hand that feeds you. If you succeed in getting companies afraid to be adding modules to a kernel for fear of having to expose their detailed register layout to the public either by documentation or code you will

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 14 marca 2007, Imre Kaloz napisał: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:07:45 +0100, Grahame Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about the Marvell® 88W8385 module used on the wifistix Open source drivers can be found at http://gumstix.com No open source drivers for that either. If you check the

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Martin Lefkowitz writes: I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are biting the hand that feeds you. Please, I beg you, don't let this turn into a GPL license/closed firmware/other legal stuff thread. As has already been pointed out, these issues are debated daily, to

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Harald Welte
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:12:11AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote: I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are biting the hand that feeds you. I am not biting the hand that feeds me, but I am biting companies who knowingly and willingly disrespect both copyright law

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-13 Thread Grahame Jordan
Hi Sean, What about the Marvell® 88W8385 module used on the wifistix Open source drivers can be found at http://gumstix.com Cheers Grahame Jordan Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, OpenMoko is built around the philosophy that far more knowledge exists outside the walls of a

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-13 Thread Steve Bibayoff
Hello, On 3/13/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we still can't seem to find a vendor that meets

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-13 Thread Imre Kaloz
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:07:45 +0100, Grahame Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sean, What about the Marvell® 88W8385 module used on the wifistix Open source drivers can be found at http://gumstix.com Cheers Grahame Jordan Hello Grahame, No open source drivers for that either. If you