Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:40:00AM +, Ole Kliemann wrote: Hi to everyone. I already posted my point in an earlier discussion but didn't get much of a reaction. The original post was this[1]. I will shortly reproduce my main point here: Me as well as several others - as I read here on

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, October 26, 2008 a las 11:40:00AM +, Ole Kliemann escribió: Hi to everyone. I already posted my point in an earlier discussion but didn't get much of a reaction. The original post was this[1]. I will shortly reproduce my main point here: Me as well as several others -

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Peter Mogensen
Ole Kliemann wrote: Me as well as several others - as I read here on the lists - have bought our FR when it was released somehow expecting it being consumer-ready. It was the general notion that GTA01 was for developers, GTA02 for end-user. Well... It would be too optimistic to expect a

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:19:22AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Right now a lot of positive action is needed. If OpenMoko dies the hardware problems will NEVER be fixed, and the Free Software phone fails totally (Google Android is fake Free Software if you don't have phones into which

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Paul
I'm a bit tired of all those (useless) threads like this. I DO USE the FR with Om2008.9 for everyday use, I do not even own any other cellphone. We should improve what we have and stop useless discussions, as well about Google's trick of Android which has nothing todo with free software.

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:44:35AM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm a bit tired of all those (useless) threads like this. I DO USE the FR with Om2008.9 for everyday use, I do not even own any other cellphone. We should improve what we have and stop useless discussions, as well about

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread arne anka
is it just me or is somebody else also experiencing a weird sensation of dejavu? i hoped this topic to be discussed to death several times. anybody made a statistic how many weeks it takes before it comes up again ... and again ... and again? ___

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it just me or is somebody else also experiencing a weird sensation of dejavu? i hoped this topic to be discussed to death several times. anybody made a statistic how many weeks it takes before it comes up again ... and

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Iain B. Findleton
Sorry to disagree. There was lots of info about how the FR was not ready for prime time available when I bought mine. I think it is pretty clear that this machine is a hackers box that makes phone calls, and that is what I bought. I use the thing for phone calls and it works just fine. Its also a

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Michael T. Dean
On 10/26/2008 07:12 AM, Paul wrote: I'm a bit tired of all those (useless) threads like this. I DO USE the FR with Om2008.9 for everyday use, I do not even own any other cellphone. We should improve what we have and stop useless discussions, as well about Google's trick of Android which has

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Yorick Moko
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Iain B. Findleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to disagree. There was lots of info about how the FR was not ready for prime time available when I bought mine. I think it is pretty clear Don't get me wrong (I love my FR) but when I bought it (preordered it very

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:12:42PM +0100, Paul wrote: On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner everyone can read: The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store http://www.openmoko.com as of July 3, 2008. The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Stroller
On 26 Oct 2008, at 11:12, Paul wrote: ... On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner everyone can read: The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store http://www.openmoko.com as of July 3, 2008. The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 02:12:18PM +0100, Yorick Moko wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Iain B. Findleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to disagree. There was lots of info about how the FR was not ready for prime time available when I bought mine. I think it is pretty clear Don't

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 02:22:08PM +, Stroller wrote: So whining that it is not ready for the regular user is kind of sad. ... A new purchaser might not know to read the wiki. Such a notice should also be on the Openmoko.com site, too, particularly pages around the online store.

Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!

2008-10-26 Thread Chris Wright
2008/10/26 Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm a bit tired of all those (useless) threads like this. I DO USE the FR with Om2008.9 for everyday use, I do not even own any other cellphone. We should improve what we have and stop useless discussions, as well about Google's trick of Android