Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-12 Thread Esben Stien
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While JACK is pretty cool, it doesn't cut it on embedded systems since there is no hardware sound accelleration whatsoever. I don't understand what you mean. JACK has nothing whatsoever to do with hardware sound acceleration. On a system like

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-12 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Esben Stien: That would be an extremely negligible latency and it would give us real time dropout less audio on the device, which is pretty crucial on such a thing as a phone. You really want dropouts in the audio when you use your system during a call?. There

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-12 Thread Esben Stien
Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There will be NO dropouts (at least for call audio). The GSM audio path isn't routed through the system, it's direct way It will be routed through the system in many use cases. One use case is pre processing the sound from the mic before it goes into

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing something (needs help from a

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 12:25:11 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Tilman Baumann
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Conclusions: *) I will keep PA for the time being and activate module-suspend-on-idle *) You will be able to turn off the tap ;) Sounds great. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper.

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Esben Stien
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we were to get rid of it, we could ditch pulseaudio and go directly to alsa. You know you should go JACK right?. Going directly to alsa for such a real time application is just bad, very bad. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 19:08:48 Esben Stien wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we were to get rid of it, we could ditch pulseaudio and go directly to alsa. You know you should go JACK right?. Going directly to alsa for such a real time application is just bad,

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Rahul Joshi
Will this mean I wont be able to hear an SMS arrive in background while I listen to music? Rahul J On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Alexander Köb
hi Mickey, click sound is normally the first thing I deactivate when I get a new phone that uses this. thanks for asking BTW. have fun k. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread arne anka
Opinions? my 2c: i hate those accoustic feedbacks. isn't it possible to use the vibration for that kind of feedback, if somebody likes it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schrieb: we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it. However just recently I

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Peter Kraker
As long as visual feedback is adequate, I don't see why not. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer pravi: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Stroller
On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:13, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: ... we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it.

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Andy Selby
This means no longer being able to mix sounds, but rather stick them into a queue and play them sequentially. Someone else has already mentioned SMS notification whilst listening to music, but also my GPS concept is affected. If a driver is approaching an accident blackspot he cannot afford

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Piotr Duda
so do I, but not on mine gta01... please remember that this is touch only phone and these feedback sounds are a must here... Piotr Alexander Köb pisze: hi Mickey, click sound is normally the first thing I deactivate when I get a new phone that uses this. thanks for asking BTW. have

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 19:29:26 Asheesh Laroia wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Hi guys, we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa directly was because of

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing something (needs help from a sound daemon or touching every application) *) I was wrong about the real meaning of PA

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing something (needs help from a sound daemon or touching every application) *) I was wrong