Dear Community,
A big thanks again for all your feedback! We're meeting with vendors
this week and are optimistic about our chances to find a WiFi module.
We'll keep you all posted and announce the winner of the free phone once
we find the right solution.
As for the UI / Application developer
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Companies like Cingular have been known to whitelist handsets.
They *could* do it for the Neo. I highly doubt they would.
I mean no offense here, but by whitelist, do you actually mean
blacklist, or ban?
I don't really follow the day-to-day of this market very much,
Benjamin C Burns wrote:
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Companies like Cingular have been known to whitelist handsets.
They *could* do it for the Neo. I highly doubt they would.
I mean no offense here, but by whitelist, do you actually mean
blacklist, or ban?
I don't really follow the day-to-day
So, which device is expected to have WiFi inside? Because to me, wifi is a
big selling point, but the whole Neo1973 itself seems highly desirable and I
just don't know if I could wait for a second-generation device ;)
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On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 15:21 -0400, Mike wrote:
This is open source development. So we developers aren't making
money
here. I for, one am NOT willing to pay $350 to get a device that I'm
not sure will work with whatever service I choose, and therefore that
I'm not sure I can even develop
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 20:14 +0100, Danijel Orsolic wrote:
I hope you don't mind; I've copied your call for help here:
http://www.mobiliberty.com/openmoko_needs_your_help
And I submit it to a popular GNU/Linux news site. More exposure means
greater chances of you finding the help you need.
hank williams skrev:
On 3/13/07, *Gabriel Ambuehl*
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On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 00:58 +0100, Robin Sonefors wrote:
I have a much more important question, however: will the Neo work with
european electrons, or will I need to import asian ones? If I'd need
to
import a new set of electrons to use for charging my battery every
time
it runs out, it'd
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 19:09 +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw
revision?
I would very much welcome a standard SD
ke, 2007-03-14 kello 16:30 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz kirjoitti:
If you're seriously considering buying a Windows Mobile over something
like a power adapter, which you could buy at any store for maybe 10
euro, this really is the wrong the device for you now.
Sean, Sean, Sean, all the trolling
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 09:30, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
I have a much more important question, however: will the Neo work with
european electrons, or will I need to import asian ones? If I'd need
to
import a new set of electrons to use for charging my battery every
time
it runs out,
I don't know about you guys, but even if I couldn't get a compatible plan,
I'd probably buy the device anyway. A gorgeous, open Linux device backed by
a community like this one? I think it's definitely worth the $350.
On 3/14/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you could just tell us where
you want to use this device?
Plus you're really arguing for no reason. This thread was _us_ asking
_you_ for help getting WiFi into this phone ;-)
-Sean
Sean, I did that in my thread What
Harald Welte wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:21:06PM -0400, Mike wrote:
What this has to do with wifi is covered in my last email. If I can't
have wifi on the device, then I have to rely on the mobile service
provider. If I have to rely on the mobile service provider, then I have
to
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:34:48 Harald Welte wrote:
I've added this (and some more info) to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko
I've added a link to
http://www.zcomax.com/1mbfile/G%20product/XG-880M_specification%20.pdf to the
wiki. prplague on #openmoko is working on
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Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; Scott Rushforth
Subject: Re: Crossroads
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you could
The Prism is not getting much traction in the market. The company has
been bounced around from owner to owner. I would think that using the
prism in a design would be very risky because the chip may not be around
for the life of the product.
Marty
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:55:49 +0100
From:
Mike wrote:
Thanks Harald, I'm out,
I think I speak for us all when I say, Don't let the door hit ya where
the good Lord split ya.
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:52:56 +0100, jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Imre Kaloz wrote:
Atheros AR6K - check http://atheros.com/pt/AR6001Bulletins.htm , and
for the fully GPL'ed driver and SDIO stack please check
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/
I hardly think you will find a
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:10:22PM -0400, Mike wrote:
I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
what they'll work with. I guess not.
I don't understand what is wrong about selling a device that
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 17:10, Mike wrote:
I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
what they'll work with. I guess not.
Metaphorically speaking, you're looking at the wrong end of the
Dnia środa, 14 marca 2007, Mike napisał:
If what you say is true, I can't imagine what the business case is for
expensive third-party phones. Here's a $350 device, good luck getting
it to be useful. Pick a two year contract and cross your fingers.
Expensive? Unlocked Nokia 6280 costs same
I just briefly took a look at the chip, and yes this does look
different. They are doing what Marvell is doing, and what TI did, by
finally embedding a controller on the device side. How much of the MAC
is on that side is a good question. I assume they are still using the
host for Scatter
* Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070314 19:02]:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:10:22PM -0400, Mike wrote:
I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
what they'll work with. I guess not.
I
On 3/14/07, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We absolutely need chipset (or even SMT module using the chipset)
specifically designed for the power and size constraints of mobile
phones or other equipment such as portable media players.
Can you give some numbers for the power consumption
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 12:57 +0200, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
ke, 2007-03-14 kello 16:30 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz kirjoitti:
If you're seriously considering buying a Windows Mobile over
something
like a power adapter, which you could buy at any store for maybe 10
euro, this really is the wrong the
Dnia wtorek, 13 marca 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz napisał:
OpenMoko is built around the philosophy that far more knowledge exists
outside the walls of a corporation than within. Internally, we're
struggling with two issues. So we're throwing this out, hoping that
some of you have can help us move
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:51:00 +0100, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello Sean,
1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know
this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're
beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we still can't seem
Intel's laptop-oriented chips have GPL drivers, albeit with binary
modules - but not *kernel* binary modules.
The 3945abg driver uses a binary userspace daemon and a binary on-chip
microcode:
http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
The 2200bg/2945abg driver relies on a binary on-chip firmware:
Atheros AR6K - check http://atheros.com/pt/AR6001Bulletins.htm , and for
the fully GPL'ed driver and SDIO stack please check
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/
I hardly think you will find a better alternative ;)
Do you know if the on-chip MAC is a full MAC?
Last time I used an
Imre Kaloz wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:51:00 +0100, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello Sean,
1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know
this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're
beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we
2007/3/13, dimitris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Intel's laptop-oriented chips have GPL drivers, albeit with binary
modules - but not *kernel* binary modules.
The 3945abg driver uses a binary userspace daemon and a binary on-chip
microcode:
http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
The 2200bg/2945abg driver
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw revision?
I would very much welcome a standard SD slot anyhow. SD cards are available in
bigger sizes than MicroSD.
I don't know much about the intel one except that I wouldn't be
surprised it downloaded the firmware into the chipset. I Broadcom also
does this as well as TI. There is an opensource version of the TI driver.
Getting attention from a Chipset manufacturer is another story.
Marty
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:49:17 +0100, dimitris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Atheros AR6K - check http://atheros.com/pt/AR6001Bulletins.htm , and for
the fully GPL'ed driver and SDIO stack please check
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/
I hardly think you will find a better alternative ;)
I don't know much about the intel one except that I wouldn't be
surprised it downloaded the firmware into the chipset. I Broadcom also
does this as well as TI. There is an opensource version of the TI driver.
Getting attention from a Chipset manufacturer is another story.
Marty
Message: 7
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw revision?
I would very much welcome a standard SD slot anyhow. SD cards are
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 19:22:08 you wrote:
Don't know how much re-work that would require, but I really like that
idea. I already have 2GB and 4GB SD cards. I'm not overly thrilled
about having to use a different format.
SDIO has one disadvantage: the cards are rather pricey. The Spectec
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:03:48 +0100, Hans Cats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2007/3/13, dimitris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Intel's laptop-oriented chips have GPL drivers, albeit with binary
modules - but not *kernel* binary modules.
The 3945abg driver uses a binary userspace daemon and a binary on-chip
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:26:16 +0100, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
My only concern with a full SDIO slot is the bulk that it would
require. One thought could be to have 2 microSD slots since there is a
microSD WiFi card (http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm). I would
think it
[the reply to issue bit me another time ;)]
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 17:51:00 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Marvell has some nice for larger devices (the 8388). But we need
one specifically for mobile phones (like the 8686). If somebody
can help us find the right vendor, we'll give you a free
Dnia wtorek, 13 marca 2007, Imre Kaloz napisał:
Regarding the USB ones, the Atmel is pretty much EOL'ed as far as
I know, and the driver for the others are not stable nor too portable.
Not portable? There are users or ARM (Xscale, IOP) machines which use
ralink and zydas dongles with their
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:46:57 -0400
Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good to see things moving forward on the wifi issue. But,
I was going to be a developer for this platform, but in light of my
recent thread, and the lack of wifi support, I don't think I can, at
least not until it's
Scott Rushforth wrote:
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Not sure what this has to do with Wifi?
I think part of the issue is that the openmoko is a GSM device,
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:00:14 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz
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Dnia wtorek, 13 marca 2007, Imre Kaloz napisał:
Regarding the USB ones, the Atmel is pretty much EOL'ed as far as
I know, and the driver for the others are not stable nor too portable.
Not portable? There are
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
I HIGHLY doubt (I'd actually be willing to bet) that the Neo is
incapable of working with the US carriers. Now, that doesn't mean
that it will be easy in the first few weeks/months of the developers
edition of the device, but it is not a hardware
El Tuesday 13 March 2007 22:10:03 Mike escribió:
Johnathan, it's not as simple as just a GPRS network in the US. See
my thread What mobile service to get. There are 12 data plans offered
by cingular. Different prices. Some of them have Blackberry in the
title. Can neo work with those? How
2007/3/13, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The openmoko people had better provide us some information about what
will work and what won't, or I'm out and advising others to do the same.
We, others, don't need babysitting. Especially we don't expect Asian
hardware manufacturer will provide any
Rod Whitby wrote:
I can't believe this thread.
Anyone who is going to be a phone developer should be able to do their own
research on phone plans.
With the attitude being displaying (I'm out and advising others to do the
same), I wonder what the reaction would be to a P1 device with bugs in
I don't see what plan you should be getting has anything really to do
with Openmoko, other than helpful people relaying their experiences with
data plans in the USA.
Regardless of what phone you get you still have to navigate through the
different plans and what they mean. If you think OpenMoko
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Mike wrote:
SmartPhone Connect and Data Connect ONLY?
All t-mobile data plans will work? All?
Are you with the openmoko project or is your advice conjecture? Is
your advice official?
This is my point.
I would shut up since on this subthread, I look like the only
Mike wrote:
SmartPhone Connect and Data Connect ONLY?
All t-mobile data plans will work? All?
Are you with the openmoko project or is your advice conjecture? Is
your advice official?
This is my point.
I would shut up since on this subthread, I look like the only one with
the problem.
Mike wrote:
SmartPhone Connect and Data Connect ONLY?
All t-mobile data plans will work? All?
Are you with the openmoko project or is your advice conjecture? Is your
advice official?
This is my point.
I would shut up since on this subthread, I look like the only one with
the
Marcel de Jong wrote:
What exactly do you expect for an answer, Mike?
I expect something official for an answer from someone official.
Are you going to Nokia/Motorola/Sony-Ericsson to demand they tell you
whether their GSM phones works with T-Mobile US / Cingular?
Of course it will work
Rod Whitby wrote:
Please consider that it may not be the actual question you are asking,
but the way in which you are asking it.
Threatening OpenMoko by saying that you will tell lots of other people
to leave the project is not a useful way to get your question answered ...
I disagree.
I have a much more important question, however: will the Neo work with
european electrons, or will I need to import asian ones? If I'd need to
import a new set of electrons to use for charging my battery every time
it runs out, it'd become very expensive very soon. If, on the other
hand, I could
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:45:36 -0400
Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it was a different company, it wouldn't be open source, and, thus,
they wouldn't need a developer preview. It's a circular point.
Exactly, Mike.
And now that we are all on the same page about this being an
open-source
On 3/14/07, Martin Lefkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why don't you collect all the information that came on this email list
and post it to the Wiki, or FAQ?
Marty
Aha! Thank you Marty, that is a way out of this Merry-Go_round.
Otherwise I was thinking about the normal advice Don't feed
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