Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-04 Thread Helge Hafting
yangm wrote: I agree, I think Nokia don't care the driver code is open or close, because it's not the value of nokia, Maybe it's chipset productor's value. Maybe the operator required. Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. I may very well want to

Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-02 Thread rixed
Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. If you don't plan to use anything else than what's already provided, then any phone will do. If you want, for instance, to use Debian on this particular computer we call a phone then anything but an openmoko is worthless.

Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-01 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. If it were applications... you can live without them. Important drivers you can't. This is just to show the fallacy value of it only 2%. Not all parts

Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-01 Thread DJDAS
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. Even 2% of Freerunner code is proprietary (Calypso and Wifi and it's VERY IMPORTANT too) why do we have to

Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-01 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 10:56:07 DJDAS wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. Even 2% of Freerunner code is proprietary (Calypso and

Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-01 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:56:07AM +0200, DJDAS wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. Even 2% of Freerunner code is proprietary

Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-01 Thread yangm
I agree, I think Nokia don't care the driver code is open or close, because it's not the value of nokia, Maybe it's chipset productor's value. Maybe the operator required. Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. 2009/9/1 DJDAS dj...@djdas.net Rui Miguel Silva

Re: Nokia N900

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/1/09, yangm yangm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. That's valid point only for typical users. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Nokia N900 (charging battery not possible with free software yet)

2009-09-01 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org writes: No, it's firmware running on their chips. If it was the driver than the following command would result in ONE instead of ZERO :) You can have drivers in userland too. For example I understood that you can't charge the N900 battery with free

Re: Nokia N900

2009-08-31 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Nikita V. Youshchenkoyo...@debian.org wrote: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=133759 4 [...] I believe this device is running ofono stack, see http://www.ofono.org/ Would be possible to have FSO support it? close documentation of

Re: Nokia N900

2009-08-31 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:00:32PM +0200, Nicola Mfb wrote: Just found the older n800 is supported by OE and mamona runs on it, but I did never care about that and google does not help very much in understanding how much the device is open. Or how much it is not open (a lot WRT drivers):

Re: Nokia N900

2009-08-31 Thread yangm
As I known about N810, 98% code is open. some driver (such as wifi driver), some core component (such as connectivityManager) are private code. It's a really difficault work to write private code without break GPL. 2009/9/1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at

Re: Nokia N900

2009-08-31 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
It doesn't have ofono: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ofono.txt Aug 31 07:27:40 PaulFertser Hi, everybody. I (and others) suspect that ofono will be used in the upcoming n900 device. What driver will be used for that, ISI? Is it some userspace library communicating with usb devices via

Re: Nokia N900

2009-08-29 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/29/09, Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594 I found a screenshot on: http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/telefonia/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-con-maemo-5_29935-10.html where it seems there is a phone app running, but

Re: Nokia N900

2009-08-29 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=133759 4 I found a screenshot on: http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/telefonia/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-con-ma emo-5_29935-10.html where it seems there is a phone app running, but I'm not sure it's a GSM/UMTS call, it may be

Re: Nokia N900

2009-08-29 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/29/09, Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: [...] It's already known that N900 is UMTS phone, not only internet tablet. Yes I know ;) but the last time I checked ofono sources it seemed very incomplete