Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-08-06 Thread Patryk Benderz
implement encrypted conversation over GSM data calls, which AFAIK isn't available in any of the closed phones. There is such a solution of encrypted GSM call invented be some Polish company: http://www.tl2000.pl/en They claim they are first to invent this. -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-08-05 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Rask, Government will also want some return. I don't see clearly (yet) how a project like ours can give them that (like OLPC and portuguese's Magalhães). A phone that's more difficult to sneak spyware into than a closed one such as an IPhone or Blackberry. How do you know it isn't secretly

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-08-05 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Great progress, thanks for the update. There's one thing I'm wondering about though... all of these activities seem to surround free hardware. While that's great, I wonder whether there are any plans to support the development of software as well? Cheers, :M:

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-17 Thread David Fokkema
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 16:05 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: Don't give up. If you look closely, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It may be faint, but I have seen similar tunnels before, and I can see the light now. Warmest regards, maddog, to me you've just been a name for

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Ball
Hi Maddog, it certainly sounds like an amazing opportunity, almost too good to be true - what's the catch! :-) I hope that you will find there is no catch. If you do think there is a catch, please tell me. Thanks again for bringing this to us, and the detailed responses. I

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-16 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Warren, et. al. This is a long letter...I apologize for that. I must admit that in my less optimistic moments,I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable distro for the FR has been slow. However, I also think that at the moment

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-16 Thread Dave Ball
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: So organize your needs. Reach out to your own universities and software usability development groups. Get them to join the project. Don't give up. If you look closely, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It may be faint, but I have seen similar tunnels

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-14 Thread Paul Fertser
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: I am really sorry for that. If that is the worst thing you ever do, you will certainly have a wonderful life. LOL, indeed! :D -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-14 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Dave, Hi Maddog, [added cc to gta02-core list] Thanks for looking into this - it certainly sounds like an amazing opportunity, almost too good to be true - what's the catch! :-) I hope that you will find there is no catch. If you do think there is a catch, please tell me. Do you

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-14 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Levy, and would like to know if is something that I could do to participate on this new effort opened by you. First I want to say that I do not consider this a new effort, but a continuation of the effort that the Openmoko community started. If I opened something, it is only a door to help

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-14 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Michal, Could you clarify a bit what exactly is the goal of this effort? Hmmm, I wrote a lot before I realized that you probably meant by this effort the effort of having the university join the Openmoko project, but originally I took it as the greater effort of bringing out an Open Phone that

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-14 Thread roguemoko
On 15/07/2009 7:39 AM, Michal Brzozowski wrote: Could you clarify a bit what exactly is the goal of this effort? Is it just designing a line of open hardware mobile devices (that's what it sounds like), and selling them to manufacturers? Or do they also want to help improve the software, like

The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Dear Openmoko Community, In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and the

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread c_c
Hi, This is amazing - if it pans out. Not only would this add hw RD capabilities - this could also help shore up the software with (I hope eventually) so many students getting the opportunity to work closely with the hw team in a university. If it works out - the free phone will live on - and

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Brenda Wang
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: Dear Openmoko Community, In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. I happened to be working with Dr.

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
David, I would appreciate the translation. Perhaps you can put those on your web site. As to the other universities, let's see what model we can create with USP, keeping the other universities in mind, then we can extend that. I do believe that growing the community through university

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
If it works out - the free phone will live on - and grow! I will say that I have been saddened and angered lately (and people who have seen my anger in the past know what that is) about the questions of is the FreeRunner dead. I do not blame the people who asked the question, just the fact that

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Brenda, Brenda Wang wrote: +1 It's really great to hear this. In Taiwan, Tsing Hua university also has a OPENlab. I would like to work with the community to engage various universities, but as I have mentioned before, with limited resources and a press to get the Openmoko program stable

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Harry, Nice to hear good news from maddog, but I am curious how many Freerunner that Koolu will buy from Openmoko? I have no idea what this has to do with the conversation, other than Koolu (of course) having a business interest in seeing that the Openmoko is successful as a project. I do not

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
John, I made some contact with Openmoko regarding joining their Openlab programme a while back now and need to follow that up. We have created an MSc in Network and Mobile Computing which has a module designed to specifically use Openmoko. The MSc starts this September so I am very

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Paul Fertser
Brenda Wang ccat...@seed.net.tw writes: Brenda Wang wrote: Professor King is the contact of OPENLAB at Tsing Hua university. You can visit his homepage. And contact him. http://www.cs.nthu.edu.tw/~king/ I believe that he will happy to receive your mail. Regards. Brenda Wang Brenda,

RE: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Brenda, I am sorry to make you guys uncomfortable. While Paul was right about the convention, and following convention may make it easier to read your email in the future, I (for one) was able to determine what you meant. I am really sorry for that. If that is the worst thing you ever do, you

Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread roguemoko
On 14/07/2009 1:28 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: Brenda, I am sorry to make you guys uncomfortable. While Paul was right about the convention, and following convention may make it easier to read your email in the future, I (for one) was able to determine what you meant. I am really sorry