You can't just separate software from hardware. The fact is you can't have
open software without hardware specs, so open soft and open hard comes close
together. Go try to rebuild a kernel on a nokia open phone for instance,
and see what part of the phone hardware still works.
So what should we
Am Samstag, den 27.02.2010, 10:46 +0100 schrieb ri...@happyleptic.org:
You can't just separate software from hardware. The fact is you can't have
open software without hardware specs, so open soft and open hard comes close
together. Go try to rebuild a kernel on a nokia open phone for instance,
a) crack open closed phones by reverse engeneering ?
b) wait for a manufacturer to compromise its pot of gold by producing an open
phone ?
c) put our head in a bag and pretend an iphone or an android is open enough ?
d) aim at building one collectively despite all the unbelievers trying to
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:41:24 -0800 (PST) Rafael Ignacio Zurita
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...
i'm getting at the fact that the hw side is stuck - it wont work without a pot
of gold. the hw side that WORKS are the big companies with lots of pots of
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:59:18 -0600 Eric Olson e...@ericanddebbie.com said:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:41:24 -0800 (PST) Rafael Ignacio Zurita
rizur...@yahoo.com said:
...
i'm getting at the fact that the hw side is stuck - it wont work without a
Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu:
boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close there. rome wasn't
built
in one day. fight the battles you can win - dont fight the impossible ones.
sure - it's not as glorious. it's not as sexy. but it gets you one small
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:41:42 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said:
Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu:
boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close there. rome wasn't
built in one day. fight the battles you can win - dont fight the impossible
Community can be another pot of gold. You can preorder the phones,
raise funds, etc (see blender, or wikipedia...).
That's how the small team behind the openpandora was successful.
Yes, the openpandora is not a phone and thus needs less paperwork,
administrative authorization and license fees,
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:07:54 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said:
Community can be another pot of gold. You can preorder the phones,
raise funds, etc (see blender, or wikipedia...).
That's how the small team behind the openpandora was successful.
Yes, the openpandora is not a phone and thus
-ports, but that is part of
the fun).
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openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last time
my
money goes to any such group/venture.
The fact is they proved community does not need to be backed up by
an industrial pot of gold to build this
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:50:36 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said:
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openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last
time my money goes to any such group/venture.
The fact is they proved community does not
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:54:35 + Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc said:
raster,
may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to
iphone 4g or nexus 2 or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market.
and then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that
* Wolfgang Spraul wrote, Il 25/02/2010 12:54:
There definitely is another way. Must be. Business opportunity!
Let's see how long people will be using their FreeRunners, and how long
they will be using their N900... If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm
sure people would still use them in
Glad I read this. I completely agree, yet I would like to add another thing :
Lets consider the whole market for mobile devices. It's composed for one part of
the yupee techno addicts that want the latest gadget around, and for the other
part by other people that have either no special attraction
-[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]
a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and
thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again.
I don't know for other countries, but here in France the majority of
3g subscribers never use it. All day long
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:00:49 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said:
-[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]
a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and
thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again.
I don't know for other countries, but here
As rasterman knows quite a bit more about hardware than most people I
know, I'm curious to know his opinion on the Flow G1.5 and up-coming G2
from Gizmo for you?
http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/
Sounds at least as open hardware-wise and Openmoko was and seems to
actually be available for a
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc wrote:
If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm
sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily.
The truth is that even though the Freerunner is buggy as hell,
some people will still be using them in 10+ years. Face it, we are
now in the same boat as
internet. need i say more. as such its actually used here in australia, and
in
japan, and korea, and the usa, etc. - people really do use phones for
looking
up stuff, maps (yes downloading the maps as you go), blogging, instant
messaging and email - oh god email. sure - video calls, tv etc.
Hello,
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Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler
(The Rasterman) escreveu:
boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close
[snip]
compromises. but you can get some of it at least.
Oh come on, don't beat them with a
rakshat hooja escribió:
Anyway Qi's roadmap does say Open Phone in 2012
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Roadmap
So we continue to dream :)
It says 2011 :)
Cheers!
Kosa
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On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 02:10 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:00:49 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org said:
-[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]
a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and
thats 2g only. 3g will
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:31:48 +0800 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au said:
but - u'd need a phone that actually uses such things nicely and still most
people dont have one. you'd need an iphone, modern android or palm webos
device for this to really work. then it becomes a different game
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:18:31 +0530 rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com said:
but - u'd need a phone that actually uses such things nicely and still most
people dont have one. you'd need an iphone, modern android or palm webos
device
for this to really work. then it becomes a different game as
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:04:26 -0500 Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)
john@ge.com said:
As rasterman knows quite a bit more about hardware than most people I
know, I'm curious to know his opinion on the Flow G1.5 and up-coming G2
from Gizmo for you?
http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:41:24 -0800 (PST) Rafael Ignacio Zurita
rizur...@yahoo.com said:
Hello,
--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler
(The Rasterman) escreveu:
boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:28:18 -0500 (EST) Ken Young r...@cfa.harvard.edu said:
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc wrote:
If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm
sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily.
The truth is that even though the Freerunner is buggy as hell,
some
Hi, I think that gta02-core is the key (or part of).
All of us have been talking about the problems with openmoko hardware
for years. And because all of us have different ideas and feelings
we use this list as our psychologist :-)
But still if there are a lot of different ideas and feelings
I
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:57:39 -0800 (PST) Rafael Ignacio Zurita
rizur...@yahoo.com said:
Hi, I think that gta02-core is the key (or part of).
All of us have been talking about the problems with openmoko hardware
for years. And because all of us have different ideas and feelings
we use this
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