Re: Significant Numbers of Non-Developers?

2007-07-21 Thread Jeff Rush
Ortwin Regel wrote: Order #1833 here and not a developer at all. My last Linux experience was that I changed the screen resolution in Suse 9 to something that didn't work and wasn't able to change it back and get back to the GUI. :P Still, I need this phone and I need it now. It's the phone

Re: An idea for an advertisement

2007-07-21 Thread Alexander E Genaud
Sudharshan, I think that's a great idea. I wonder if it will bring up memories of Apple's 1984 campaign and whether that would be a good or bad thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 Cheers, Alex -- [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ][ http://genaud.net ][ 55.67N 12.588E ] [ B068 ED90 F47B 0965

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-21 Thread Jim McDonald
Hans L wrote: Hey folks, Great discussion going on here. I've been putting a lot of thought into the issue too, so I figured I'd add my two cents. [...] Yep this is very similar to what I'm thinking of. Given that we're all pretty close to what we think we need it's probably time to put

Re: I got charged ;) - me too

2007-07-21 Thread Ian Darwin
Me too. Looks like they broke the logjam! Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: I got charged ;)

2007-07-21 Thread Peter Trapp
what's your rt.internal number ? waiting eagerly :) Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: ...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page: Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount: Subtotal: $300 USD Shipping: $67.89 USD Total: $367.89 USD Please note

Re: I got charged ;)

2007-07-21 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/7/21, Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what's your rt.internal number ? waiting eagerly :) It is #1921. I forgot to tell that the sending costs are $30 lower than mentioned in web shop (I'm from Poland). cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing

OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Valerio Bruno
i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a central point for developers too! - other motivations

Re: I got charged ;)

2007-07-21 Thread Stefano Sanna
Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote: I got charged too! Shipping: $54.22 USD Originally it was 77USD. I'm in Italy. Lucky man! ;-) My order # is 18xx and I'm still waiting for being charged.. :-( Cheers, Stefano. -- Stefano Sanna - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal web site: http://www.gerdavax.it

Re: I got charged ;)

2007-07-21 Thread Giles Jones
On 21 Jul 2007, at 16:06, Stefano Sanna wrote: Originally it was 77USD. I'm in Italy. Lucky man! ;-) My order # is 18xx and I'm still waiting for being charged.. :-( I would imagine they are going through the YES_I_DO emails in the order they were received back.

Re: I got charged ;)

2007-07-21 Thread Peter Trapp
FIC/openmoko did a create job :) many persons (incl me) are waiting to get charged on their credit cards like a small child shortly before christmas... Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb: ...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page: Your credit card has now been

Re: I got charged ;) - me too

2007-07-21 Thread Mark
Me too, they've broke #2060. UPS doesn't ship on Saturday so lets hope this means a big truck full will be picked up on Monday. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.07.2007 um 16:46 schrieb Valerio Bruno: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. Me too - it is not important if it is good or bad or forum vs. list. It is important that there are enough community members who want to have it *in addition* to this list. i think is

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Dylan McCall
I agree, a forum is a good idea! More organized and easier searched (without putting that job entirely on the user's end) than a mailing list. I prefer PHPbb, definitely. Invision is more fancy, but I am always seeing those things screw up. Bye, -Dylan McCall On 7/21/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Jae Stutzman
A quick search on google showed this: http://www.midgard-project.org/discussion/developer-forum/forum-to-mailing_list_integration/ I think whatever official openmoko supported communication technique is used needs to allow users the ability to choose how they access the information. There is no

Re: Marketing...

2007-07-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On 7/21/07, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in OpenMoko as something they care about. Don't do rthat

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On 7/21/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former. I couldn't care less about which system to choose, but I have one wish; make it as fast and usable as possible,

Re: An idea for an advertisement

2007-07-21 Thread kent
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 11:08:47AM +0200, Martin Straub wrote: [...] Anyway, Openmoko seems to become well-known without further action =-O The picture attached is from the weekend journal of a major Austrian newspaper (Kurier). The text basically says: The Openmoko platform is the basic

Re: Marketing... aGPS uses

2007-07-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On 7/21/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! That's a wonderful list you made! I have one doubt though - how well would that AGPS chip work, especially in buildings. I have Garmin GPS which does not get signal reception if anything is between it and GPS satellite so it

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Sebastian Krause
Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler Not for me because it doesn't provide a threaded view, scoring etc. There's nothing more comfortable than reading this list in your favorite news reader by Gmane. - could be a central point for developers

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Sebastian Krause
Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much? No: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Marketing... aGPS uses

2007-07-21 Thread Joe Friedrichsen
On 7/21/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/7/21, Adam Krikstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AGPS is where focus needs to be. This natural (and free) comparative advantage needs to be developed to attract new developers and customers. 5. Auto sync location dependent - arrive at

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread David Pottage
On Saturday 21 July 2007, Valerio Bruno wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a

Re: I got charged ;) - me too

2007-07-21 Thread Jason
I just got charged also, #2085, Shipping: $8.56 USD to Canada, can't wait :D Jay M Mark wrote: Me too, they've broke #2060. UPS doesn't ship on Saturday so lets hope this means a big truck full will be picked up on Monday. ___ OpenMoko community

700Mhz Spectrum

2007-07-21 Thread Dean Collins
Great article here about the concept of open spectrum I posted a few weeks ago. Could be very very interesting. http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/07/20/google_fcc/ Maybe an Asterisk/OpenMoko tie-in? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I got charged ;) -me too!

2007-07-21 Thread Kyle Bassett
#2081, and I am in total suspense! Kyle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: An idea for an advertisement

2007-07-21 Thread Kyle Bassett
I agree with Kent, the fundamental functionality needs to be rock solid. OpenMoko isn't just representing free phones, it also is representing (embedded) Linux. Before the consumer version is commercially advertised, we need things like calling, SMS, and contact management. On another note,

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Kyle Bassett
On 7/21/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad. i think is good: - can be a central point for new users (users NOT developers) - following a thread in a forum it's a lot simpler - it can have email notification for reply - could be a

Re: An idea for an advertisement

2007-07-21 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 21 July 2007 08:18, Sudharshan S wrote: Hi all, I have an idea for an advertisement featuring Openmoko. Be gentle with the flames though. I particularly liked the 'Hello World' part ... :D I had something in mind that was rather simplistic but could easily form a series of ads :

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Adam Krikstone
Werner hinted at an official forums.openmoko.org. If people would just want something temporary, I could probably get an FIC or Linux subform created at http://www.howardforums.com/ (500,000 members). There are developers and network engineers that post there that can result in great

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Dylan McCall
With news readers in mind, I have one wish for the forums: Really good syndication, either with RSS or Atom feeds. On 7/21/07, Adam Krikstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner hinted at an official forums.openmoko.org. If people would just want something temporary, I could probably get an FIC

RE: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Dean Collins
Howard forums rock - so definitely a good location for it. No offence to the OpenMoko guys but if it was important and they were going to put up a forum then should have been done a while ago. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Sebastian Krause wrote: Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much? No: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community Hey, that was very nifty indeed! Lets see if this is a two-way gateway as well. --

Another article at The Inquirer

2007-07-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The crew over at The Inquirer have posted another article about OpenMoko. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41147 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Valerio Bruno
Sebastian Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not for me because it doesn't provide a threaded view, scoring etc. I don't understand your sentence. Forums haven't threaded view ?! Anyway... And btw, you actually *can* already use this list as a web forum if you want, and actually in a

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Giles Jones
On 22 Jul 2007, at 00:31, Valerio Bruno wrote By the way, in the long run we'll need a real, user-friendly forum to address non-tech-friendly user. The number of these users can me minimised by having a very good manual. I know that people don't read manuals often but that's because

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Mickael Faivre-Macon
On 7/22/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number of these users can me minimised by having a very good manual. We can all start it and then publish it easily with a online publisher like lulu. http://www.lulu.com/ http://www.lulu.com/author/create.php By the way, does FIC plan to

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Giles Jones
On 22 Jul 2007, at 01:13, Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote: By the way, does FIC plan to make money out of the neo ? Like selling manuals ? Or whatever ? They'll make money on the hardware. Developing a good smartphone OS costs quite a bit of money.

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-21 Thread Daniel Robinson
The COGS on this phone should be around $100-110. FIC will make money, but won't make a lot of money unless they sell a lot of them. They are leveraging their expertise, manufacturing, and if they manufacture something that doesn't sell, that is wasted manufacturing resources. I think the

Re: 700Mhz Spectrum

2007-07-21 Thread Mischa Beitz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dean et al., I had a very similar reaction to the 700MHz auction debate. It seems like a potentially incredible opportunity for openmoko, asterisk or any number of open platform wireless tech. The FCC is mandated by Congress to get this auction

Re: 700Mhz Spectrum

2007-07-21 Thread kenneth marken
On Sunday 22 July 2007 06:16:35 Mischa Beitz wrote: Dean et al., I had a very similar reaction to the 700MHz auction debate. It seems like a potentially incredible opportunity for openmoko, asterisk or any number of open platform wireless tech. The FCC is mandated by Congress to get this