Re: Keypad for fingers, not stylus

2007-10-12 Thread Alex Zhang
It might be worth reusing/reimplementing SCIM or other multilingual dictionary system (http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html) instead of T9. I have used SCIM with Gnome on Ubuntu Linux to convert pinyin to mandarin. I think SCIM also plays nice with X, and I assume it would not be too

Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Dietz Proepper
Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth. But now, for the real stuff. The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it rings, but you want it

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread ROULLAND bruno
Hello, this idea could be great, but this option could shut up the phone when you walk,no ? 2007/10/12, Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread David Pottage
On Friday 12 October 2007, Oliver wrote: I've had similar ideas, but haven't posted them yet. Here's one: Imagine you're surfing the internet, or checking a map, or something like that. We don't have a multi-touch screen, so we can't zoom out with our fingers like iPhone users. Zooming out,

Software roadmap

2007-10-12 Thread Bill Cox
On Mon Aug 20, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Finally, we are very close to publishing our extensive software roadmap covering plans for adding more exciting software components and detailing areas where you can get involved and help us reach our goal of freeing phones around the world. I haven't been

NetBSD/evbarm Neo1973 kernel

2007-10-12 Thread Noud de Brouwer
(given open hardware in community@) anyone willing to testdrive a flash-and-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NetBSD dmesg from real hardware is appreciated --noud ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Asking for a talk in Austria

2007-10-12 Thread Georg Michelitsch
Wolfgang Silbermayr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello OpenMoko people! I study at the University of Applied Sciences in Hagenberg, Austria (near Linz). I organize events for our LUG, and I would really love to have somebody talk about the OpenMoko project. First off,

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Oliver
I've had similar ideas, but haven't posted them yet. Here's one: Imagine you're surfing the internet, or checking a map, or something like that. We don't have a multi-touch screen, so we can't zoom out with our fingers like iPhone users. Zooming out, though, is something we really should be able

Re: Usability team?

2007-10-12 Thread london cowgirl
Hi Justin Thomas I think the investment made into the UI is extremely important and valuable (well done, Thomas). Shall we put together a usability team so these user centered design efforts continue? I'm a usability expert and would love to get engaged on a mobile device project. We could

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Torsten Wagner
I guess it might be not to hard to implement your idea. This is an classical example of e.g. fault detection. Used in the industry to identify strange sensor signals which might indicate a coming fault in the system. The idea is to precisely identify an odd behaviour long before a complete

Re: Asking for a talk in Austria

2007-10-12 Thread Wolfgang Silbermayr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Georg Michelitsch wrote: Hi Wolfgang, When and where should this speech / LUG meeting take place? I'm personally interested in the Neo1973 and Openmoko so if this really happens please inform me (or send out a notification to the mailing list).

Re: Asking for a talk in Austria

2007-10-12 Thread Wolfgang Silbermayr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Vaughan wrote: Hi! I'm already in Austria (Vienna) and have been hacking on Openmoko for a few months now .. I recently gave a talk at MQ for the subotron electric meeting, on the subject of homebrew .. perhaps you could tell me more about

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Fabian Off
Am Freitag 12 Oktober 2007 11:44:52 schrieb Dietz Proepper: Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth. But now, for the real stuff. The following scenario, you

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread J
On 10/12/07, Fabian Off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag 12 Oktober 2007 11:44:52 schrieb Dietz Proepper: Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth.

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Al Johnson
It should be reasonably easy to tell them apart. Knocking the phone should give a sharp peak acceleration with greater magnitude than you would get from walking. We'll only find out by trying it though ;-) On Friday 12 October 2007, ROULLAND bruno wrote: Hello, this idea could be great, but

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Giles Jones
Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I'm sure such an idea is on the wiki already, if not add it. I like the accelerometer, so many

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Wolfgang Silbermayr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fabian Off wrote: Well, this exact idea didn't came up before, but there was a discussion whether an accelerometer could/should be use for input. The summary is: No, due to the fact the accelerations are too un-uniqe. They might happen while

Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Dietz Proepper
ROULLAND bruno: Hello, this idea could be great, but this option could shut up the phone when you walk,no ? Depends I think. A short knock might have a different signature. But difficult to judge without a real device. kindest regards, Dietz Proepper

Asking for a talk in Austria

2007-10-12 Thread Wolfgang Silbermayr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello OpenMoko people! I study at the University of Applied Sciences in Hagenberg, Austria (near Linz). I organize events for our LUG, and I would really love to have somebody talk about the OpenMoko project. First off, we have some really

Re: Asking for a talk in Austria

2007-10-12 Thread Jay Vaughan
Hi! I'm already in Austria (Vienna) and have been hacking on Openmoko for a few months now .. I recently gave a talk at MQ for the subotron electric meeting, on the subject of homebrew .. perhaps you could tell me more about what you require? j. On Oct 12, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Wolfgang

RE: Some ideas for the accelerometer

2007-10-12 Thread Dean Collins
Kind of like the IBM hard drive accelerometer knock applications (only in linux unfortunately). Check out the link here if you haven't seen it before http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/knock-knock-whos-there.html Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: NetBSD/evbarm Neo1973 kernel

2007-10-12 Thread Ted Lemon
dmesg from real hardware is appreciated Hm, in the spirit of adventure, I just flashed your NetBSD kernel on my Neo, like this: uma% ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ~/Desktop/netbsd.boot dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Then I tried booting it from the serial console. I can't tell

Re: NetBSD/evbarm Neo1973 kernel

2007-10-12 Thread Noud de Brouwer
in responce to Ted you expecting that the console will be visible via the debug board? after reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board Actually using it i'd say there's a possibility ;) i did build a second kernel... NetBSD/evbarm 3.1 NEO1973 kernel 20071012 (com1=console) http

I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread leo . d
hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of

Re: application idea -- anti theft system

2007-10-12 Thread Giles Jones
On 13 Oct 2007, at 00:09, Derek Pressnall wrote: I have an idea for a simple alarm application. The idea is that if you leave your phone sitting at your desk plugged in charging, then you can activate an app that will play an alrarm sound as soon as the devices is unplugged (with a popup

Re: Usability team?

2007-10-12 Thread Jeremy G
I could also be interested in this. I'm finishing up a master's degree in Information Science with a focus in Information Architecture and HCI, so I have a lot of interest in OpenMoko usability. Jeremy On 10/12/07, london cowgirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Justin Thomas I think the

application idea -- anti theft system

2007-10-12 Thread Derek Pressnall
I have an idea for a simple alarm application. The idea is that if you leave your phone sitting at your desk plugged in charging, then you can activate an app that will play an alrarm sound as soon as the devices is unplugged (with a popup keypad to enter a disarm code). A variant would use the

Re: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread Ryan Prior
The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack that will let you hack on the different components and get things

Re: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread leo . d
Yes, of course. this is a release candidate. is possible to assume that the hardware will not change? If so is not a problem to upgrade firmware. I suppose, however, that the same is not true for wifi support, right? P.s. I am a developer, I do not want to make phone calls, I want to play with

More press -- Wired refs open phones for weary iPhone hackers

2007-10-12 Thread Gerald A
It's pretty fluffy, but it has nice pictures: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/multimedia/2007/10/gallery_linux_phones Nice to see that some are talking about why the iPhone isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, at least. Maybe someone will even say that applications matter for a

R: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread Leonardo D'Ottavi
The only problem is. If the gta02 coming out in October 07 is not a good idea buy gta01 now…. Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Ryan Prior Inviato: sabato 13 ottobre 2007 2.06 A: List for OpenMoko community discussion Oggetto:

Re: R: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread Ryan Prior
surprise! It's october 07 right now and the GTA02 is nowhere on the horizon. Again, I am not connected to FIC, but it seems apparent to me that we won't see GTA02s ship within the next 6 months. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread Doug Sutherland
I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the

Re: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread Ryan Prior
The fact is that the first version was put out early so that hardware hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will have

Re: I'm new in this list

2007-10-12 Thread Graham Williams
Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line interfaces). However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia

Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update

2007-10-12 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello everyone, I have some updates for you, and a question. First the updates: The GTA01 units that were shipped in the past two weeks have satisfied the back orders for GTA01. There continues to be demand for GTA01 so we are building some more. GTA02 Wifi hardware has been working for