Re: More about the GTA02
The wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware says 1200mAh lithium battery charges when connected to powered host, but the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Battery says it's a 1700mAh one. So where is the typo? 2008/2/6, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe a typo in the GTA02 hardware wiki, here is the link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/08 8:04 PM The wiki history showes that Feb, 3rd it still was 1700mAh. Can anybody from OpenMoko confirm whether it is correct? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I dont know why I was supprised
www.openmoko.com Today I noticed a change that OM has released their CAD files for the case of the GTA01, This opens a major door to Case modding. I guess im used to closed hardware and tight-liped companies, but i was supprised. I will never again own a closed phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I dont know why I was supprised
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:59:01 -0500, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.openmoko.com Today I noticed a change that OM has released their CAD files for the case of the GTA01, This opens a major door to Case modding. I guess im used to closed hardware and tight-liped companies, but i was supprised. I will never again own a closed phone. It has already been discussed with Mickael on this list. The new part of this, is the communication around. According to Michael, gta02 case is not yet published, therefore I guess there is some differences, but the question is : what is the usefulness with this publication if there is difference between gta01 case and gta02 case ? I mean, the wanted case for someone who want to make alternatives cases would be the gta02 one. Anyway, this publication, which in and of itslef is a great news for consumers, is a good way for openmoko.com, showing again to the whole market an alternative way of business. -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
Hi, I have absolutely no idea on how to develop IM methods on OpenMoko, but one day I tried to implement a hangul IME for Windows CE. It's based on the one from windows XP IME2002, ie type tpqktmxldkd to get 세바스티앙. The UI does not work yet, but the internal state machine is OK. It's written in C. I don't know if you worked on this part but maybe it can help... (and what about copyright issues? :( ) Sebastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Input Method Development
I just received my Neo1973, and since I require Korean input, I'd like to do it myself... I'd like to do something similar to the soft qwerty keyboard -- except that I'd use Korean letters instead of Latin ones. I've poked around the wiki, but I haven't found any good pointers on creating and adding input methods. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- Didier ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I dont know why I was supprised
It's been listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_case_schematics#Official_case_schematics for a couple weeks. They could use any help they can get converting to additional file formats (see the note on wiki link). Christopher Earl wrote: www.openmoko.com Today I noticed a change that OM has released their CAD files for the case of the GTA01, This opens a major door to Case modding. I guess im used to closed hardware and tight-liped companies, but i was supprised. I will never again own a closed phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA01 Case specs
I agree that the GTA02 case specs would/will be nice, without wifi the GTA01 is less usefull but some of the implications are usefull; building a BT gamepad/KB into the case turning the device into a ROM player is a good suggestion, as stated on the wiki. I will be looking into the cost of having a few different designs made. Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/08 9:53 AM On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:59:01 -0500, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.openmoko.com Today I noticed a change that OM has released their CAD files for the case of the GTA01, This opens a major door to Case modding. I guess im used to closed hardware and tight-liped companies, but i was supprised. I will never again own a closed phone. It has already been discussed with Mickael on this list. The new part of this, is the communication around. According to Michael, gta02 case is not yet published, therefore I guess there is some differences, but the question is : what is the usefulness with this publication if there is difference between gta01 case and gta02 case ? I mean, the wanted case for someone who want to make alternatives cases would be the gta02 one. Anyway, this publication, which in and of itslef is a great news for consumers, is a good way for openmoko.com, showing again to the whole market an alternative way of business. -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
I've done a little work on a soft querty keyboard written with GTK. It is reconfigurable, by use of an xml config file, and I was playing with support for UTF-8. I haven't had time in the last couple weeks to work on it because of my work school schedule. A slightly out of date version is available in a tar.gz http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gtkeypad/ Feel free to look at it, create a Korean xml config file, and add to the source. I have slightly newer code on my computer that I need to post. I also have to get everything into the CVS after Alessandro lurlano told me how to correct an authentication issue. Jeremiah Flerchinger dda wrote: I just received my Neo1973, and since I require Korean input, I'd like to do it myself... I'd like to do something similar to the soft qwerty keyboard -- except that I'd use Korean letters instead of Latin ones. I've poked around the wiki, but I haven't found any good pointers on creating and adding input methods. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
I'll have a look, thanks for that. Including Korean into an xml file won't be easy as the Korean script is a little more complex to implement than the Latin one. Let's take Sébastien's example: tpqktmxldkd to get 세바스티앙. When you type tp ypu get 세 but when you add q [tpq] you get 셉, not 세ㅂ. Only if and when you type k [tpqk] does the letter ㅂ goes away from 셉 to form a syllable with k/ㅏ. Basycally you have the following: t -- ㅅ tp - 세 tpq - 셉 tpqk - 세바 tpqkt - 세밧 etc... And it can get trickier. Also, although a qwerty kbd might be a start [as the Korean keyboard is overlaid on top of qwerty anyway], I was also thinking of a smaller keyboard, àla mobile phone kbd -- some of the keyboards available on Korean phones are quite astute, and require fewer keys. Anyway, I'll have a look and see what can be done. Cheers, -- dda On Feb 6, 2008 11:27 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done a little work on a soft qwerty keyboard written with GTK. It is reconfigurable, by use of an xml config file, and I was playing with support for UTF-8. I haven't had time in the last couple weeks to work on it because of my work school schedule. A slightly out of date version is available in a tar.gz http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gtkeypad/ Feel free to look at it, create a Korean xml config file, and add to the source. I have slightly newer code on my computer that I need to post. I also have to get everything into the CVS after Alessandro lurlano told me how to correct an authentication issue. Jeremiah Flerchinger dda wrote: I just received my Neo1973, and since I require Korean input, I'd like to do it myself... I'd like to do something similar to the soft qwerty keyboard -- except that I'd use Korean letters instead of Latin ones. I've poked around the wiki, but I haven't found any good pointers on creating and adding input methods. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
First time I will publish a bit of my personal work... wow! :) Find here my notes about implementing the algorithm to turn jamos to han syllabes using IME 2002, reverse engineered from a number of keystokes ;) consider it's under CC-BY-SA, and not totally public domain as i've spent a bit of time on it ;) -8--- notes about understanding IME2002 algorithm Sébastien Lorquet, July 2006 Published under CC-BY-SA === Now I have (22:14) [EMAIL PROTECTED] core]# make run [EMAIL PROTECTED] core]# make run ./core ../../data/hantree.dat File size is 58226 bytes , mapped @ 0xb7f25000 Init ok, please type chars, exit to quit d stack len=1, contents=[d] currnode=0 , 33 childs searching char [d]...qQwWeErRtTyuioOpPasd-found state=3147 nxtoff=36828 out= temp disp: [3147] ㅇ h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=2, contents=[dh] currnode=36828 , 14 childs searching char [h]...yuioOpPh-found state=C624 nxtoff=37890 out= temp disp: [C624] 오 t you typed t, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[dht] currnode=37890 , 19 childs searching char [t]...qwerRt-found state=C637 nxtoff=0 out=C637 temp disp: [C637] 옷 output: [C637] 옷 h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=4, contents=[dhth] currnode=0 , 33 childs searching char [h]...qQwWeErRtTyuioOpPasdfgh-found state=3157 nxtoff=0 out=3157 temp disp: [3157] ㅗ output: [3157] ㅗ here is the main bug of my basic method: i'm not using the stack correctly. a single vowel is not allowed. I should have cut the syllabe before. What to do PUSH d- [d] - sequence found, possible output ㅇ PUSH h- [dh] - sequence found, possible output 오 PUSH t- [dht] - sequence found, possible output 옷 PUSH h- [dhth] - sequence NOT FOUND - last (ㅗ) is a vowel, cant be alone. - output 오 - keep th in the stack - [th] - sequence found, possible output 소 PUSH f- [thf] - sequence found, possible output 솔 PUSH d- [thfd] - sequence NOT FOUND - last (ㅇ) is NOT a vowel, CAN be alone. - output 솔 - keep d in the stack - [d] - sequence found, possible output ㅇ PUSH l- [dl] - sequence found, possible output 이 PUSH v- [dlv] - sequence found, possible output 잎 etc... YAY IT'S OK eat sth then implement that here is the result (00:16) [EMAIL PROTECTED] core]# make run cc -I../../include -c -o himecore.o himecore.c cc himecore.o posix_main.o -o core ./core ../../data/hantree.dat File size is 58226 bytes, mapped at 0xb7f61000 Init ok, please type chars, exit to quit d stack len=1, contents=[d] sequence found current state:ㅇ h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=2, contents=[dh] sequence found current state:오 t you typed t, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[dht] sequence found current state:옷 h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=4, contents=[dhth] last entered char is h This is a vowel 2 chars remaining on stack new stack: stack len=2, contents=[th] current state:소 output: 오 f you typed f, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[thf] sequence found current state:솔 d you typed d, len is 1 stack len=4, contents=[thfd] last entered char is d This is not a vowel 1 chars remaining on stack new stack: stack len=1, contents=[d] current state:ㅇ output: 솔 l you typed l, len is 1 stack len=2, contents=[dl] sequence found current state:이 v you typed v, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[dlv] sequence found current state:잎 8--- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
So what is it that is different from the old spec? Is it just the 850 mhz version? Christopher Earl wrote: the specs have changed (very slightly) * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 128MB SDRAM * 2MB NOR Flash * 1200mAh Battery * 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons. * u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS * Bluetooth * 850/1800/1900 Mhz or 900/1800/1900 Mhz for GSM/GPRS * USB Host function with power So anyone in NorthAmerica (mainly the states) needs to add that they want the 850/1800/1900 GSM bands, I dont have a clue about how thats going to work ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
some more notes: - this is exactly the behaviour of IME2002 engine, at least what can be *observed* on a korean windows xp computer - as you can see, there is a state that should be displayed somewhere, and a output that is not generated regularly. - for the curious, I tested the algorithm on my girlfriend's name, whose syllabes are perfect for a last-vowel test :) Seb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
(sorry for the multiple messages) I am also highly interested by a mobile phone-like korean typepad, but I've never seen one, and I don't know how it works. My idea is to have some common code, and a set of frontends that could be ported either to OpenMoko, Windows Mobile, and possibly others. Seb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
I said very slightly Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/08 11:57 AM So what is it that is different from the old spec? Is it just the 850 mhz version? Christopher Earl wrote: the specs have changed (very slightly) * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 128MB SDRAM * 2MB NOR Flash * 1200mAh Battery * 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons. * u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS * Bluetooth * 850/1800/1900 Mhz or 900/1800/1900 Mhz for GSM/GPRS * USB Host function with power So anyone in NorthAmerica (mainly the states) needs to add that they want the 850/1800/1900 GSM bands, I dont have a clue about how thats going to work ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
(Please help by changing the subject when the topic changes) I'll look into this. Michael Denis wrote: The wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware says 1200mAh lithium battery charges when connected to powered host, but the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Battery says it's a 1700mAh one. So where is the typo? 2008/2/6, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe a typo in the GTA02 hardware wiki, here is the link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/08 8:04 PM The wiki history showes that Feb, 3rd it still was 1700mAh. Can anybody from OpenMoko confirm whether it is correct? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
Um, just wondering what the differences were since the wiki seems to list the same information as here. I checked the wiki history, it looks like mainly more specific information about the components. I didn't see anything there about the 850 mhz change though. One recent change is from a stereo to mono amplifier for analog output. I'm guessing/hoping that this is the amplifier that powers the mono speaker, and that we'll still have stereo output for headphones? I guess with powered usb you could use a usb audio converter, but it would be nice to have it built in. Christopher Earl wrote: I said very slightly Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/08 11:57 AM So what is it that is different from the old spec? Is it just the 850 mhz version? Christopher Earl wrote: the specs have changed (very slightly) * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 128MB SDRAM * 2MB NOR Flash * 1200mAh Battery * 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons. * u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS * Bluetooth * 850/1800/1900 Mhz or 900/1800/1900 Mhz for GSM/GPRS * USB Host function with power So anyone in NorthAmerica (mainly the states) needs to add that they want the 850/1800/1900 GSM bands, I dont have a clue about how thats going to work ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
Hi Kevin, I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the product releases. Sincerely, Michael On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Kevin, That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final plastic. Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written Neo FreeRunner in GTA02 at the place where Neo 1973 is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I dont know why I was supprised
On 07/02/2008, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new part of this, is the communication around. According to Michael, gta02 case is not yet published, therefore I guess there is some differences, but the question is : what is the usefulness with this publication if there is difference between gta01 case and gta02 case ? I mean, the wanted case for someone who want to make alternatives cases would be the gta02 one. well, having the gta01 schematics is a start. the gta02 case will be at least a certain amount similar, and even if that's only 60%, it's 60% of the measuring work we don't have to do. i have no problem whatsoever with taking these schematics and doing the necessary measurements to find out what has changed, and then we're set to go ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
H... That would explain the larger screen spec I saw. I smell Golden Formfactor goodness in the oven. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:26:29 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion) Hi Kevin, I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the product releases. Sincerely, Michael On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Kevin, That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final plastic. Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written Neo FreeRunner in GTA02 at the place where Neo 1973 is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
More confusion (was: Re: Official distinction between Brand (Neo), Model (1973, FreeRunner), and version (GTA01, GTA02) (was: Re: Wiki - confusion))
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:22:29 -0800 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Please help by adjusting subject as topic changes) Marcel, That is correct. Michael Marcel wrote: So GTA02 would be: Brand: Neo Model: FreeRunner Version: GTA02 To further add to this confusion let me just quote from gta02-core.patch in http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch +MACHINE_START(NEO1973_GTA02, GTA02) + .phys_io= S3C2410_PA_UART, + .io_pg_offst= (((u32)S3C24XX_VA_UART) 18) 0xfffc, + .boot_params= S3C2410_SDRAM_PA + 0x100, + .map_io = gta02_map_io, + .init_irq = s3c24xx_init_irq, + .init_machine = gta02_machine_init, + .timer = s3c24xx_timer, +MACHINE_END and Index: linux-2.6.24/arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/Kconfig === --- linux-2.6.24.orig/arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/Kconfig +++ linux-2.6.24/arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/Kconfig @@ -74,5 +74,20 @@ help Say Y here if you are using the FIC Neo1973 GSM Phone +config MACH_NEO1973_GTA02 + bool FIC Neo1973 GSM Phone (GTA02 Hardware) + select CPU_S3C2442 + select SENSORS_PCF50633 + help + Say Y here if you are using the FIC Neo1973 GSM Phone + +config NEO1973_GTA02_2440 + bool Old FIC Neo1973 GTA02 hardware using S3C2440 CPU + depends on MACH_NEO1973_GTA02 + select CPU_S3C2440 + help + Say Y here if you are using an early hardware revision + of the FIC/OpenMoko Neo1973 GTA02 GSM Phone. + endmenu Regards, Daniel *The code never lies* Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More about the GTA02
1700 would be hard to believe. It's too small. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More confusion (was: Re: Official distinction between Brand (Neo), Model (1973, FreeRunner), and version (GTA01, GTA02)
Regards, Daniel *The code never lies* Willmann It does, when marketing names get changed after devs have started coding. This does happen sometimes :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I dont know why I was surprised
Dear Christopher and the rest of the community. Thanks for your appreciation. Those of you who have been on this list for a long time will remember that this came up a number of times. It was only recently that we were finally able to come to some kind of a conclusion and release the CAD files. While we are committed to applying open source principles to as much of our process and information as possible, deciding what should be made public and what needs to be kept within the company is an ongoing experiment. We are in uncharted territory here and we're not sure where each step leads. Since you all are part of this experiment, we are extremely interested in knowing what you will do with these files. Alternative appearances? Different colors, textures, shapes? Customizing to particular applications? Expansion? Designing the hardware into other items? Help us understand the outcome of this experiment by continuing to provide us with feedback. I read all of your comments, and I do bring them back to the company. Sincerely, Michael Christopher Earl wrote: www.openmoko.com Today I noticed a change that OM has released their CAD files for the case of the GTA01, This opens a major door to Case modding. I guess im used to closed hardware and tight-liped companies, but i was supprised. I will never again own a closed phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko at Southern California Linux Expo: Come visit, or better, volunteer to help us at our booth for free admittance
Hi, Sorry for the late notice: OpenMoko will have a booth at the Southern California Linux Expo, taking place this weekend in LA: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ Please come and introduce yourselves; I always like to meet our community and put faces to the email. I would especially appreciate your help at our booth. Since only one of us is coming (me), even watching the booth for 10 minutes to give me a chance to grab something to eat would be much appreciated. If you respond today you will receive a pass to the show. We won't have anything to give away at this event, but I hope to get T-shirts and/or stickers soon, and your help at the our booth will be appropriately recognized. If you can help out please reply to me today so that I can get you a free pass. Email me directly: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We will also have a Birds of a Feather session, which will be an especially good opportunity to meet other OpenMoko-ers, to ask questions, and to exchange ideas. I'll bring some of the prototypes of GTA02 with me. Our BoF session is scheduled for Sunday evening at 6 pm. I look forward to seeing you. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Interview with Michael Shiloh about OpenMoko
I forgot to mention that the Southern California Linux Expo interviewed me as a warm-up to the show this weekend: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/blog/2008/02/03/interview-with-michael-shiloh-of-openmoko/ Feedback is always appreciated. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
Hi Alan, The screen is the same size. Can you provide the link to the larger screen spec, so that we can correct this error? Thanks for helping to keep our wiki correct! Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H... That would explain the larger screen spec I saw. I smell Golden Formfactor goodness in the oven. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:26:29 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion) Hi Kevin, I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the product releases. Sincerely, Michael On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Kevin, That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final plastic. Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written Neo FreeRunner in GTA02 at the place where Neo 1973 is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko not on CeBIT 2008
Hello For my regret i had noticed, that OpenMoko / FIC are not on the CeBIT 2008. Why not? Greetings Tim Niemeyer signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power Management on Neo1973
Hello, as i understood correctly in GTA02 are new PCF and CPU. So it's possible that the problems in GTA01 aren't in GTA02. But the question from frederik is still unansweared. Michael any news? * Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] [27-01-08 17:28]: Michael, any progress on this issue ? Will the GTA-01 ever be usable as an everyday-phone, or is the hardware to broken ? /Fredrik Tim Niemeyer signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications
Shawn Rutledge wrote: And BTW this method would not work for finding TangoGPS, because the ipkg is on its own separate site. (Why? it must mean it's too hard to get a new ipkg into the regular repository, right?) Getting it into the openmoko feeds requires 1) Getting it into OpenEmbedded 2) Adding it to the openmoko-feeds recipe. Admittedly, #1 is a fairly high barrier to entry. -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interview with Michael Shiloh about OpenMoko
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:41:56 -0800, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to mention that the Southern California Linux Expo interviewed me as a warm-up to the show this weekend: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/blog/2008/02/03/interview-with-michael-shiloh-of-openmoko/ Feedback is always appreciated. Michael Very good interviewed Michael ! I hope it will be relayed. The only thing I feel now is regrets... because of my actual lacks of skills to contribute on software developpement :) (not over ;)) Thx ! -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interview with Michael Shiloh about OpenMoko
Michael Shiloh wrote: I forgot to mention that the Southern California Linux Expo interviewed me as a warm-up to the show this weekend: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/blog/2008/02/03/interview-with-michael-shiloh-of-openmoko/ You've been wikified (openmoko.org's press page, that is). Good luck at SCALE. Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 16:48 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: And BTW this method would not work for finding TangoGPS, because the ipkg is on its own separate site. (Why? it must mean it's too hard to get a new ipkg into the regular repository, right?) I haven't yet asked anybody to get tangoGPS into the offical repository - I first want to collect user expericene feedback. However: I like Ubuntu's idea with Universe / Multiverse. The first being the official set of apps maintained or endorsed by Openmoko and the second one being a wider collection of software. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interview with Michael Shiloh about OpenMoko
Hello, Michael I read the interview and I really liked it. Also I appreciate putting a picture of yourself in that interview, since I will find it hard to reach to SCALE (I live in Europe). To feedback: most annoying is the lack of any formating of the text of the interview, as in bolding keywords , which makes it hard to read. Perhaps this is because of the blogging software they use, restricts HTML formatting? Anyway none of your doing. The questions (especially the first ones) are very well suited and answered and after reading the interview I get a pretty good idea of whom am I talking to. Michael: I’m the advocate for the community within the company, and the advocate for the company within the community. It’s a bit hard to describe, but I try to make sure information, questions, and issues flow as freely as possible between the two. It is very interesting to know how free software, as a product, and open source as a development process change, and in your case add totally new positions inside a company. So, good luck with the show and keep it up! Cheers, Bogdan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
