Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-)

2008-02-07 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-) Date: gio 07 feb 08 11:30:53 -0800 Quoting Michael Shiloh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Yes, Koolu is a distributor. mmm. They offer pre-order and quote a price of US$399. Available to developers this March. And the phone becomes a "Works E

another interview about OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Shiloh
Our friend Steve Lake interviewed me the other day: http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=374 I'm afraid he caught me just as my two mugs of morning espresso kicked in, and my sentences are a little long, for which I apologize. Hopefully you can read past that and sense my enthusiasm for this proje

Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-)

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Shiloh
Yes, Koolu is a distributor. Michael Doug Jones wrote: http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html looks kinda familiar ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __

Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-)

2008-02-07 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Feb 8, 2008 6:29 AM, Doug Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html > > looks kinda familiar The specs look alike to the letter, you mean... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 _

Re: how to enable usb host mode?

2008-02-07 Thread Phani Kumar Kancharala
Can any one suggest me how to use usb host mode with GTA01. On Feb 6, 2008 11:38 AM, Phani Kumar Kancharala < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes, my plan is to work with a self powered USB hub. Is it possible to > work with 2.6.22 kernel?? > > > On Feb 5, 2008 10:26 PM, Christopher Earl <[EMAIL PROT

OpenMoko & Wireless Chip

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Schmidt
Hello OpenMoko has a wlan chip? Joiku brings in a hostpot: http://www.computerwelt.at/detailArticle.asp?a=114126&n=1 http://www.joiku.com/?action=products&mode=productDetails&product_id=310 A better idea is to bring in BATMAN protocol for meshed wireless... https://www.open-mesh.net/batman So

now Koolu makes a phone too ;-)

2008-02-07 Thread Doug Jones
http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html looks kinda familiar ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: What I want is for a our company's patents to be freely available, for anyone, but for defensive purposes only. Aside from patent-commons, which is just a way to allow mutual defense for fellow FOSS projects (assuming I understood this correctly), what I know of is to

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-07 Thread Fred Janon
+1 Good and smart decision from my point of view. On Feb 8, 2008 11:58 AM, Paul Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > +1 > > Software by its nature is easier to fix than hardware or even > firmware; this approach does the Right Thing: vendors win > because the firmware layer just got a whole lot

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-07 Thread Paul Jimenez
+1 Software by its nature is easier to fix than hardware or even firmware; this approach does the Right Thing: vendors win because the firmware layer just got a whole lot easier to write and the rest of the world wins because we get as much control as legally permissible of our hardware. On Fri

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Feb 7, 2008 4:45 PM, Arthur Britto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What prevents you from mailing yourself an unsealed envelope? Why would you want to do that? The point is to get a reliable date stamp associated with the material inside the envelope. And as the other link pointed out, it doesn'

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Arthur Britto
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 17:35 -0500, Steven Milburn wrote: > As a first step, get anything you think is patent worthy documented > and dated. In the US, a common practice is to write up your concept > and mail it to yourself in a sealed envelope. You don't open the > envelope until you need to and

Re: I dont know why I was surprised

2008-02-07 Thread Jae Stutzman
captive stylus..anyone? :) the new N810 stylus looks like it might almost fit! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

proprietary firmware

2008-02-07 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Dear Community, Some of our chips or chipsets contain proprietary firmware in flash memory. For example, in GTA02 these include the Wi-Fi, GPS, and GSM chipsets. Ideally, we would have liked to use chipsets for which even the firmware code would be free, but they don't exist right now. So

A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds

2008-02-07 Thread JW
Hi Openmoko community Ask everyone at a country fair to guess the weight of an ox and the average will be closer to the actual value than even the experts. this is one example of the wisdom of crowds :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds So now I think we should apply this t

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Steven Milburn
Wow, good to know! Thanks! I have thought for a long time that doing this would be a defense because it would show dated prior art, but the details on that site actually seem more sensible. --Steve On Feb 7, 2008 6:31 PM, Christopher Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forgot to add this link. T

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Christopher Earl
This method is called "The poor man's patent" and is not legal. Below is a web page that may be of some help and describes this patent method as an "Urban legend" It also has documentation on getting things patented. http://www.inventionpatent.net/patent/poor-man's-patent.cfm >>> "Steven Milb

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Christopher Earl
Forgot to add this link. This will outline the American procedure for patenting. http://www.inventionpatent.net/patent/process.cfm >>> "Steven Milburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/07/08 5:35 PM >>> As a first step, get anything you think is patent worthy documented and dated. In the US, a common pra

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Feb 7, 2008 3:35 PM, Steven Milburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a first step, get anything you think is patent worthy documented and > dated. In the US, a common practice is to write up your concept and mail it > to yourself in a sealed envelope. You don't open the envelope until you Or g

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Steven Milburn
As a first step, get anything you think is patent worthy documented and dated. In the US, a common practice is to write up your concept and mail it to yourself in a sealed envelope. You don't open the envelope until you need to and you do it with a lawyer present. The postmark on the envelope ho

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Esra Kummer
This sounds like a great idea. I think what you mean is that if a competitor sues OpenMoko for allegedly infringing its patent, then OpenMoko can counter-sue saying "BTW you are infringing this one of ours too" and then it gets settled out-of-court by cross-licensing, right? Well I am not too

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Lionel Dricot
I think that we all agree here that the patent system is completely broken. By filling patent, even for defense only, you are playing the rule. What I've seen so far is that small companies that cannot afford a lawyer department simply choose to ignore the rules and just ignore completely the pat

RE: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread David Schlesinger
> http://www.patent-commons.org/ is the one that I'm aware of ... This is what I was referring to... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Rod Whitby
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > What I want is for a our company's patents to be freely available, for > anyone, but for defensive purposes only. > > Are there any existing options available to us now? Does anyone know of > existing companies or organizations with a similar strategy that we can > seek gu

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Feb 7, 2008 1:00 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I want is for a our company's patents to be freely available, for > anyone, but for defensive purposes only. This sounds like a great idea. I think what you mean is that if a competitor sues OpenMoko for allegedly infringin

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Andres Paglayan
what about posting this exact question at groklaw? On Feb 7, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Most of you know that OpenMoko is a fully independent company at this point. With this great opportunity comes many challenges. Today I would like to share one with you al

RE: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread David Schlesinger
I'd get in touch with the Linux Foundation/Software Freedom Law Center and discuss their "patent commons" with them. Write me off-list, Sean, and I can get you in touch with the right folks, I think... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean M

Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Dear Community, Most of you know that OpenMoko is a fully independent company at this point. With this great opportunity comes many challenges. Today I would like to share one with you all and ask for some advice. We need to file patents for our hardware as well as software designs. While my

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-07 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
I did a quick search & found an input method application already exists called uim (http://code.google.com/p/uim/wiki/OfficialUserDocument) that supports a bunch of languages. It appears to be customizable in behavior & can be used with multiple window systems. It looks like it could work wit

Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications

2008-02-07 Thread JW
Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That looks maintenance-intensive, and pretty soon would tend to be > long and unwieldy (too many packages); consequently it will tend not > be very trustworthy, because who's going to keep it updated? That is a very fair point. However this page was i

Re: WiP: dfu-util for Windows

2008-02-07 Thread Christopher Earl
When you port Dfu-util to windows keep all the switches the same(not that i thought you would change them) and I can write the UI this weekend, It will call on dfu-util, so any changes to dfu can be easily applied to the UI without the need to recode anything, let me know the name of your projec

Re: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)

2008-02-07 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Thursday 07 February 2008 01:41:37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The specs I saw were not in the Wiki. They were at: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html > > Quote: > Additional Neo FreeRunner specs include: > Processor -- Samsung S3C2442 500MHz > RAM -- 128MB > Flash -- 256MB >

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-07 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Sébastien Lorquet wrote: What I made is reverse engineering. I plan to release it under GPLv3 to be protected from software patents, will this be useful? I am not a lawyer and all, but I think the answer is "no". The GPLv3 (nor any other copyright license) can protect you if you infringe on

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-07 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
for what I recall, backspace starts by removing *letters* from the last syllable, then entire syllabes. Moreover, hitting a directional key like or any key that changes the caret position terminates composition of the current syllabe. In fact, when you type, the currently composed syllabe appear

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-07 Thread joerg
Am Do 7. Februar 2008 schrieb dda: > I agree that a system of plugins/callbacks could do fine, if it can > handle "resetting" output: eg typing gks f would output > successively: > ㅎ -> 하 -> 한 -> 하 -> 할 [Unicode 0x1112, 0xd558, 0xd55c, 0xd558, > 0xd560]. Being able to "backtrack" is quite necessa

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-07 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
Sorry for the imprecision, and thanks for the correction. I spoke too fast. The backtracking should be trivial to implement with my prototype. I'm cleaning it a little before giving it to you. I'm also concerned with copyright. Is there any patent problem with this input method as with T9 (for mo

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-07 Thread dda
Well, no. the 11,172 syllables you mention are *not* letters. The fact that Korean combines letters by syllables [Syllabic blocks in Wikipedia] doesn't make these syllables "letters". The Korean Keyboard uses 26 keys for the 33 letters [19 consonants, counting geminated consonants as separate lette

Re: I dont know why I was surprised (Case moding)

2008-02-07 Thread Ben Wilson
I don’t really have the equipment to make a custom case myself but I would definitely be interested in buying one, either from FIC as an option or from a 3rd party. I'd want a larger case, maybe 1.3-1.5 times the current size, with a section of empty space for adding extra electronics. At that

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-07 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
(keeping [EMAIL PROTECTED] and communitylist in the loop) Hehe, This is totally understandable. :) We will explain to you the best as we can. If you want to make a korean keyboard with a key for each letter then you'll need a keyboard with... (sit down before next line) ... 11,172 letters, ie