Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
Shawn ha scritto: Michael, Do you need people to physically test the phones that are being run on this process? (: I'm sure you could easily find several hundred volunteers. . . .Shawn Yeah, so much devices, so small company, so many device and so many tests to be done, so many people to be paid to test the Neo.. :D (yes i'm joking) If you need testers count me in !! Cya! Pietro (waiting for my neo to test :D) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
High Resolution Openmoko logo
Hi All, Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa screen background? Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) best regards Martin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
Martin wrote: Hi All, Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa screen background? Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) EPS files are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
freerunnter - get it over trisoft
hi community, here same interesting links http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html and trisoft http://trisoft.de/ http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm torsten ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto: Martin wrote: Hi All, Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa screen background? Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) EPS files are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Reading that i've noticed that Openmoko is still OpenMoko, so someone should fix the middle uppercase M. It's just an observation eh, no flame or anything bad in my mind! Cya! Pietro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto: Martin wrote: Hi All, Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa screen background? Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) EPS files are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Reading that i've noticed that Openmoko is still OpenMoko, so someone should fix the middle uppercase M. It's just an observation eh, no flame or anything bad in my mind! Thanks for catching this! I will ask our designers to correct this ASAP. Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: > > Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto: > >> Martin wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa > >>> screen background? > >>> > >>> Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) > >> > >> EPS files are here: > >> > >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> ___ > >> OpenMoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > Reading that i've noticed that Openmoko is still OpenMoko, so someone > > should fix the middle uppercase M. > > It's just an observation eh, no flame or anything bad in my mind! > > Thanks for catching this! I will ask our designers to correct this ASAP. Just on the subject of 'OpenMoko' vs 'Openmoko', I assume we should change the former to the latter whenever we see a reference to it on the wiki, or are there cases where 'OpenMoko' is still valid? Cheers, Federico ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at [1]->Headset. Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > hi community, > here same interesting links > http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html > > and trisoft > http://trisoft.de/ > http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm > > torsten > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
Federico Lorenzi wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: > Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto: >> Martin wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa >>> screen background? >>> >>> Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) >> >> EPS files are here: >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards >> >> Sean >> >> ___ >> OpenMoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > Reading that i've noticed that Openmoko is still OpenMoko, so someone > should fix the middle uppercase M. > It's just an observation eh, no flame or anything bad in my mind! Thanks for catching this! I will ask our designers to correct this ASAP. Just on the subject of 'OpenMoko' vs 'Openmoko', I assume we should change the former to the latter whenever we see a reference to it on the wiki, or are there cases where 'OpenMoko' is still valid? Yes please ;-) Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
I'm a touch concerned about the lack of the cable for USB host mode too. On Thursday 20 March 2008, Kevin Zuber wrote: > What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at > [1]->Headset. > > Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? > > Kevin > > [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html > > Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > hi community, > > here same interesting links > > http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html > > > > and trisoft > > http://trisoft.de/ > > http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm > > > > torsten ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
I didn't follow up on all the previous mails, but 399 EURO = 624 USD which looks like a > 50 % rip off compared to the mentioned 399 USD here. So I would have to buy it in the US and even get rid of the sales tax.. matthias On 20.03.2008, at 13:31, Al Johnson wrote: I'm a touch concerned about the lack of the cable for USB host mode too. On Thursday 20 March 2008, Kevin Zuber wrote: What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at [1]->Headset. Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi community, here same interesting links http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html and trisoft http://trisoft.de/ http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
On Thursday 20 March 2008 11:27:53 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Martin wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa
> > screen background?
> >
> > Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!)
>
> EPS files are here:
>
>http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards
>
> Sean
>
I didn't know that Openmoko has this corporate identity stuff, great. But it
is difficult to get the SansaSoft font. Is it possible to publish the logo
with the taglines ("open. mobile. free."; " Free Your Phone") as EPS, too?
Regards
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Re: freerunner - DONT buy it local
Le jeudi 20 mars 2008 à 13:53 +0100, Matthias Ringwald a écrit : > I didn't follow up on all the previous mails, but 399 EURO = 624 USD > which looks like a > 50 % rip off compared to the mentioned 399 USD > here. > So I would have to buy it in the US and even get rid of the sales tax.. Same here. The European price is just a joke ! And this site doesn't mention how to pre-order from outside Germany (VAT, special taxes, options, adv kit, ...). This is a really bad sales channel, where you can get your hardware about 50% off if you order in US. I think we (Switzerland) will again get lost and have to pay high prices for such devices :-( -- Alexandre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Hi, A single word: thank you all OM guys to share with us your internal schedule. We all have to be patient and understand that things not always run as planned. And weeks have only 5 days :) Working for a software company implied in large projects, I know what this means :) It's great that you share with us this manufacturing status, please keep us updated on future steps. I guess we would all love to know the outcomes of these PVT rounds. Sebastien. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On 3/19/08, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > you have to pay the 19% even if you import by yourself (the 19% are also on > the shipping fees). That is not correct (at least here in Norway we do NOT pay VAT for the shipping fees) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
/me hopes a quick answer from Michael I'm OK to rebuy a PVT prototype, even if it has a defect somewhere :) Just to say "I have one of the prototypes" ! And what is climatic testing? Put a phone under a shower and measure how long it takes to die? :) Sebastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Yeah, I agree, lack of usb host cable sucks, it is one of my favorite features. Ivo On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a touch concerned about the lack of the cable for USB host mode too. > > > > On Thursday 20 March 2008, Kevin Zuber wrote: > > What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at > > [1]->Headset. > > > > Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? > > > > Kevin > > > > [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > hi community, > > > here same interesting links > > > http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html > > > > > > and trisoft > > > http://trisoft.de/ > > > http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm > > > > > > torsten > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner - DONT buy it local
In the UK, getting a distribution channel though someone such as http://www.expansys.com/ would make a big difference to sales I think. ...but maybe when the consumer version is ready and not the upcoming developer version. Alexandre Ghisoli wrote: Le jeudi 20 mars 2008 à 13:53 +0100, Matthias Ringwald a écrit : I didn't follow up on all the previous mails, but 399 EURO = 624 USD which looks like a > 50 % rip off compared to the mentioned 399 USD here. So I would have to buy it in the US and even get rid of the sales tax.. Same here. The European price is just a joke ! And this site doesn't mention how to pre-order from outside Germany (VAT, special taxes, options, adv kit, ...). This is a really bad sales channel, where you can get your hardware about 50% off if you order in US. I think we (Switzerland) will again get lost and have to pay high prices for such devices :-( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Am 20.03.2008 um 13:53 schrieb Matthias Ringwald: I didn't follow up on all the previous mails, but 399 EURO = 624 USD which looks like a > 50 % rip off compared to the mentioned 399 USD here. So I would have to buy it in the US and even get rid of the sales tax.. Well, if you consider sales taxes, extended warranty (24 months), recycling (WEEE), localized manual, support hotline, lower shipment cost, shipment within 1-3 days etc. as not neccessary, it might look like "ripping off"... But note that you get more than a plain device when ordering from a reseller than ordering directly in Taiwan or the US. My impression is that people have the tendency to compare low US prices without any add-ons with the EU prices which must include every price component. So, please read the previous mails where it has already been explained. BTW: if you order in the EU from Switzerland, you can reduce the price by the reseller's country VAT (e.g. 19% in Germany). But you may have to pay your Swiss import tax. This may also apply if you order directly from the US depending on your country's customs rules. So I am not sure that you can legally get rid of any sales taxes. Finally, what I really find strange is calling this "ripping off". You could also say the same for any product, because they do not sell at 0 USD. There are people who work hard to get devices from Taiwan into your hands. Do you really expect them to be altruistic to do that work for free? Free and Open does not necessarily mean "Free Beer". Another area of freedom: we also have free trade in most parts of the world so you are free to choose the best location to buy. Nikolaus http://www.handheld-linux.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
On 3/20/08, Sébastien Lorquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > And what is climatic testing? Put a phone under a shower and measure how > long it takes to die? :) > > Sebastien Normally a burn-in test is used, where the device is in a high temperature chamber to see if it survives. I guess the climatic testing includes this and maybe also a cold chamber to verify that it will not get condens damage. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
I think my original question was badly worded, I was looking for a
screen background that incorporated the logo, plus anything else jazzy
and appropriate, rather than having to design it myself.
Sven Klomp wrote:
On Thursday 20 March 2008 11:27:53 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Martin wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa
screen background?
Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!)
EPS files are here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards
Sean
I didn't know that Openmoko has this corporate identity stuff, great. But it
is difficult to get the SansaSoft font. Is it possible to publish the logo
with the taglines ("open. mobile. free."; " Free Your Phone") as EPS, too?
Regards
Sven
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Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
hi ok. "ripping off" might be a bit exaggerated. but first reading 400 USD and then reading 399 EURO > 600 USD was just a bit irritating. the "extended warranty" sounds good, the other stuff (support hotline, manuals, recycling, VAT.. ) does't help me personally. Yes, I do have to pay Swiss VAT, but it's only 7.6 % compared to 19 % in Germany. If I would buy in the US, I would ask a friend/colleague to hand-deliver it to me.. :) and not have it shipped, which is normally expensive, too. matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:48:10 +0100 schrieb "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What we Europeans would need is a FIC subsidiary somewhere here, As I read FIC has some branch in Czech or Slovakia. Thing is: If you ship a container €70 is definitely not the price per device. You can help: motivate enough penguin people to buy a new phone and maybe some one will risk such order. If FIC could ship them to Czech (or Slovakia) with their in house post it might be easier to get a good price. Let's hope. Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Christian Beier ha scritto: Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:48:10 +0100 schrieb "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: What we Europeans would need is a FIC subsidiary somewhere here, As I read FIC has some branch in Czech or Slovakia. Thing is: If you ship a container €70 is definitely not the price per device. You can help: motivate enough penguin people to buy a new phone and maybe some one will risk such order. If FIC could ship them to Czech (or Slovakia) with their in house post it might be easier to get a good price. Let's hope. Christian This is what i'd like to do with my LUG and some other people near me, take the name, make only one order of 10 Neos and then give the phones to the people. Obviously the price will not be lowered a lot, but the shipping costs are usually divided so in total it will cost less to everyone. We always do the same with thinkgeek things or some CDs or DVDs. Just my 0.2€cent :D Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Ivo Anjo wrote: Yeah, I agree, lack of usb host cable sucks, it is one of my favorite features. I agree too, btw it's a few-euros device... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Get it at Pulster (was: Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft)
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 14:58 +0100, Matthias Ringwald wrote: > ok. "ripping off" might be a bit exaggerated. [..long thread...] Just for info, pulster is going to sell it too, so if you don't like trisoft - go there (I'm not affiliated with them). They still have the Neo1973 in their shop but I don't know if it is still available: http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm Anyway, I asked them by email and they told me they will sell the Freerunner too. The forces of the market will fix the prices :) Hope that helps to calm the storm in the teapot :-P Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Get it at Oxford Archaeology (was: Re: Get it at Pulster (was: Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft))
I was told over lunch today that Oxford Archaeology's [1][2][3] intended use of the FreeRunner was discussed in the Independent [4] one weekend some time back. Nobody saved me a clipping though! Joseph [1]http://thehumanjourney.net [2]http://openarchaeology.net [3]http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net [4]http://www.independent.co.uk On 20/03/2008, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 14:58 +0100, Matthias Ringwald wrote: > > ok. "ripping off" might be a bit exaggerated. > [..long thread...] > > Just for info, pulster is going to sell it too, so if you don't like > trisoft - go there (I'm not affiliated with them). > > They still have the Neo1973 in their shop but I don't know if it is > still available: > > http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm > > > Anyway, I asked them by email and they told me they will sell the > Freerunner too. The forces of the market will fix the prices :) > > Hope that helps to calm the storm in the teapot :-P > > Marcus > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
Sébastien Lorquet wrote: /me hopes a quick answer from Michael I'm OK to rebuy a PVT prototype, even if it has a defect somewhere :) Just to say "I have one of the prototypes" ! Sorry we cannot sell these devices. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Federico Lorenzi wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: >> > Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto: >> >> Martin wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >> >>> >> >>> Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa >> >>> screen background? >> >>> >> >>> Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) >> >> >> >> EPS files are here: >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> OpenMoko community mailing list >> >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> > Reading that i've noticed that Openmoko is still OpenMoko, so someone >> > should fix the middle uppercase M. >> > It's just an observation eh, no flame or anything bad in my mind! >> >> Thanks for catching this! I will ask our designers to correct this ASAP. > Just on the subject of 'OpenMoko' vs 'Openmoko', I assume we should > change the former to the latter whenever we see a reference to it on > the wiki, or are there cases where 'OpenMoko' is still valid? > > Cheers, > Federico > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Also you'll notice the OpenMoko community mailing list... should that be Openmoko? Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH4o6TauMjEM4rxIQRAvDYAJ98odT2dhje0hp1h0ozs9SGY2tHZwCgsd3O fNmlvXrOnx3WDthHHAssc54= =8TQO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On 20 Mar 2008, at 13:24, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 3/19/08, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... you have to pay the 19% even if you import by yourself (the 19% are also on the shipping fees). That is not correct (at least here in Norway we do NOT pay VAT for the shipping fees) Conversely, in the UK we do. I guess it depends where the importer is based. To add my two pennies to this conversation, I don't like getting the shaft any more than anyone else does - here in "Rip Off Britain" we seem to get it worse than most Europeans (for instance I may consider buying an ATX server case from Germany, as it may well be cheaper, even with the currency exchange & shipping, than buying locally). But we must remember that an importer has to tie his own money up in stock (money that could otherwise be earning interest for him) and gamble with the currency exchange rates. If he buys when the dollar is at 1:X and the exchange rate changes disfavourably to 1:Y, then he has to swallow the difference on all his existing stock. A reseller generally provides customer convenience - it's easy to order online from someone local - support and so on, and has to make a profit (otherwise he might as well go close his business and go work for someone else). I can't believe that Phones will be the only place to buy a Moko, so if you don't like it, go shop somewhere else. Maybe if we find in 6 months time that there's no way to buy in Europe without paying 50% more than the dollar price, that's a time to complain, but IMO it's a bit early for whinging. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
Le vendredi 21 mars 2008 à 00:21 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : > Sébastien Lorquet wrote: > > /me hopes a quick answer from Michael > > > > I'm OK to rebuy a PVT prototype, even if it has a defect somewhere :) > > Just to say "I have one of the prototypes" ! > > Sorry we cannot sell these devices. > > Sean Maybe you can "give" it ;) Sorry for the list noise, could not resist. -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner - DONT buy it local
Still people who just don't want to realize, that this is the price including VAT and so on... Stop propagating FUD! And wait until the prices are fix... On 3/20/08, Alexandre Ghisoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Le jeudi 20 mars 2008 à 13:53 +0100, Matthias Ringwald a écrit : > > I didn't follow up on all the previous mails, but 399 EURO = 624 USD > > which looks like a > 50 % rip off compared to the mentioned 399 USD > > here. > > So I would have to buy it in the US and even get rid of the sales tax.. > > Same here. The European price is just a joke ! And this site doesn't > mention how to pre-order from outside Germany (VAT, special taxes, > options, adv kit, ...). > > This is a really bad sales channel, where you can get your hardware > about 50% off if you order in US. > > I think we (Switzerland) will again get lost and have to pay high prices > for such devices :-( > > > -- > Alexandre > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
Shawn wrote: Do you need people to physically test the phones that are being run on this process? (: The best way for them to test the devices are created uniformly is to test them uniformly, so it's pretty much a given that a QA team at Openmoko will test every unit coming off the line, not the Openmoko Community, as bad as we'd all love to help. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
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How to spell Openmoko (was: Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo)
andy wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Federico Lorenzi wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: > Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto: >> Martin wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa >>> screen background? >>> >>> Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!) >> >> EPS files are here: >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards >> >> Sean >> >> ___ >> OpenMoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > Reading that i've noticed that Openmoko is still OpenMoko, so someone > should fix the middle uppercase M. > It's just an observation eh, no flame or anything bad in my mind! Thanks for catching this! I will ask our designers to correct this ASAP. Just on the subject of 'OpenMoko' vs 'Openmoko', I assume we should change the former to the latter whenever we see a reference to it on the wiki, or are there cases where 'OpenMoko' is still valid? Cheers, Federico ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Also you'll notice the OpenMoko community mailing list... should that be Openmoko? 1. Please change the subject when the topic changes 2. It is now officially Openmoko. Please feel free to help us change the spelling in the wiki whenever you see it the wrong way, and please point out to us if you find it spelled incorrectly in places you can't change. Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Future hardware options
I believe that a low-power-use auxiliary processor would be EXTREMELY valuable. There are LOTS of things that could run on a slower lower-powered processor, greatly extending battery life. At any time the high-speed high-power-use main processor can be fired up to handle the real heavy lifting. Moving the monitoring functions off the main CPU would be a GREAT improvement. > - Add a small lowpower MPU like TI MPS430 to manage everything > seamlessly when main CPU is down. Stuff like motion sensors, wake > sources, battery management, maybe touchscreen, leds so there is an > always-on "guiding hand" in the phone that is consistent and reliable > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Future hardware options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: > I believe that a low-power-use auxiliary processor would be EXTREMELY > valuable. There are LOTS of things that could run on a slower > lower-powered processor, greatly extending battery life. At any time > the high-speed high-power-use main processor can be fired up to handle > the real heavy lifting. Moving the monitoring functions off the main > CPU would be a GREAT improvement. Agreed here... the main constraint will be that if we want the display active, we need to have the main CPU up to generate the video. But I am hoping we will be able to pretty strongly in most cases have the CPU power acting in sync to the LCM backlight power, in terms the CPU goes into its lowest power standby mode as soon as the display is not lit, a tap on the touchscreen or whatever else you would use to get the display lit again also wakes the CPU. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH4uGnOjLpvpq7dMoRAm0IAJ41QUeR7yqz4cEDi2ApYxErdJ2iKQCeOgYx e4JFXGH2Ta7sWssiSBe5h28= =+7Hu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 19:24:30 Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Since I'm in California and the factory is in China, it's a little > difficult for me to know exactly what the plan is and where there are > concerns and weaknesses. I know it's probably too late, but will the screen on the FreeRunner be the same as the one on the Neo 1973 ? Because if that's the case - has anyone actually tried using the phone outside, in broad daylight, in the sun ? It might just be me, but I personally find it hard to find the buttons on the screen due to the glare of the screen. Unless the reviewers only test the phone inside an office, it's going to be difficult to sell the device to general consumers, even once the software is finished. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! Ugo Raffaele - Original Message - From: "polz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "List for OpenMoko community discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status > On Wednesday 19 March 2008 19:24:30 Michael Shiloh wrote: > I know it's probably too late, but will the screen on the FreeRunner be the > same as the one on the Neo 1973 ? > Because if that's the case - has anyone actually tried using the phone > outside, in broad daylight, in the sun ? > It might just be me, but I personally find it hard to find the buttons on the > screen due to the glare of the screen. Unless the reviewers only test the > phone inside an office, it's going to be difficult to sell the device to > general consumers, even once the software is finished. Vuoi essere presente online? Vuoi dare voce alla tua attivita`? Acquista un dominio su http://domini.interfree.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Ugo Raffaele wrote: I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to > test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! Mhmmh... This might be a great problem... I heard/understood a completely different thing about the Neo LCD! Anyway I won't change my buying plans, but I'm quite disappointed about this :/. I like sunny days! :D -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dual mode OLPC style screen - one for the future?
Did anyone think about the dual mode screen for OLPC and whether this can fit with a mobile device... ? Combined with a shaking motion (accelerometer) to change from color to mono of course... This would certainly make using outside more practical on sunny days...(bad experience today with WM6/HTC) Of course this is for the generation to follow Freerunner only JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: High Resolution Openmoko logo
Sven Klomp wrote:
On Thursday 20 March 2008 11:27:53 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Martin wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone have a high resolution Openmoko logo that I can use asa
screen background?
Ideally 2560 x 1600 (!)
EPS files are here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#Logo_Standards
Sean
I didn't know that Openmoko has this corporate identity stuff, great. But it
is difficult to get the SansaSoft font. Is it possible to publish the logo
with the taglines ("open. mobile. free."; " Free Your Phone") as EPS, too?
Sven
Please give us a few days to get this posted. I've asked our designer to
handle this.
Sean
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Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
On 20 Mar 2008, at 13:58, Matthias Ringwald wrote: ... the other stuff (support hotline, manuals, recycling, VAT.. ) does't help me personally. My experience is that a support hotline helps LOTS when your device dies and you need to get it replaced pronto. But I do agree with you. VAT doesn't help me, either. I don't use any of those silly services (like hospitals and roads) that taxes go to support! I should be exempt from paying for them!! And as for recycling! Why should I care about electronics in landfills leaking lead & mercury into the water supply? I won't be around next century to worry about it!! (Instead, you should realise that recycling is a European requirement, and that all EU importers must agree to recycle their products. If one has a dead Moko outside of warranty one will be entitled to return it to the importer for recycling, rather than landfill it - it is likely that Europeans who don't take advantage of this service will soon have to pay to dispose of electronic items; they won't be freely accepted at the local tip). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Subject: Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft Date: ven 21 mar 08 05:04:55 + Quoting Stroller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > But I do agree with you. VAT doesn't help me, either. I don't use any of > those silly services (like hospitals and roads) that taxes go to > support! I should be exempt from paying for them!! > > And as for recycling! Why should I care about electronics in landfills > leaking lead & mercury into the water supply? I won't be around next > century to worry about it!! :-) I had previously stated as a dire need the fact of having an identical *PRE-TAX* price for the freerunner on the two shores of the big pond. A basic option (with just one year of warranty, e-mail or IRC-based support, just the standard package content that comes from FIC) should be available and clearly advertised. With a precisely itemized price, and no intermediaries if at all possible. Resellers should earn their market share by offering premium services. They should not be the only choice. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Having lived in the US and Europe... 1) We usually do pay shipping from China. It's usually built into the cost of the product so it's hard to say exactly what it is. I would guess less than $10 a unit. 2) We do not have VAT in the US. Closest thing we have to it is sales tax. Most states have a sales tax rate of about 7 to 8 % (not 19) while some states like Oregon have no sales tax. Sales tax is ONLY charged when the product is sold to the consumer, not every time it changes hands getting to market. Also, if you are a resident of one state and purchase via mail (post) and have it shipped to your state and the reseller has no offices in your state, you do not have to pay your state's or the reseller's state sales tax. So I live in Las Vegas, Nevada, if I buy the Freerunner via post from a reseller in Arizona and that reseller does not have an office/store in Nevada, I pay no sales tax... just shipping (which sometimes can be more than tax.) 3) The only state I know of that has state mandated recycling/environmental fees is California. The fee is usually assessed on items that have a battery or could be hazardous if disposed of incorrectly (LCD monitors and TV's for example.) 6) I believe that for a product to be sold in the US, the manufacturer must meet certain warranty requirements. I haven't dealt with this in over 10 years but my memory tells me that the only cost a reseller is obligated to incur is for shipping products back to the manufacturer for service. I'm sure that may vary by state and that laws have more than likely changed in the last 10 years. Hope that helps. Lowell On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since nobody seems to realize it, I guess I have to explain this. > > 1. Even the distributor has to pay shipping > > 2. 19% VAT in germany > > 3. x% additional fees (recycling, ...) in germany/europe > > 4. 2 years warranty in germany > > 5. The dollar-euro change will not always remain nearby 1.60$/1€ > > 6. People who handle the shipping and warranty in germany, do you think > > they can work for free? > > > > Don't get me wrong, I also like to get products cheap and not too > > expensive, but nobody can really expect to get the device for 285 euro from > > a resaler - you have to pay the 19% even if you import by yourself (the 19% > > are also on the shipping fees). > > > > > > > Regarding points 1, 2, 3 and 6 - doesn't the US have something similar? > Regarding 5 - shouldn't the prices be according to current exchange rates? > Isn't that the whole point of exchange rates? > > -- > Vincent > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
