Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Dale Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu 7.10 and am trying to follow the instructions from the Toolchain wiki page. When I try the command: sudo apt-get install gcc g++ autoconf automake binutils libtools ... I get this error message: Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Pacakge autoconf has no installation candidate Since this is a fresh install, I expect I may not have the right setup to install all the developer goodies. Can someone suggest a clean way to resolve this issue? I would be happy to update the wiki page with better instructions once my issue is resolved. Try this instead: sudo apt-get install build-essential or was it sudo apt-get install build-essentials You should not need to install gcc, make, etc manually. build-essential should do it for you -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
Hello to everyone, I think that it's really important to have the lastest technologies in mind in order to develop a device that is going to be out a year (or more). Another interesting technology that i think is going to grow in the nexts months is WiMAX. For me 3G is necessary for the next device, HSDPA too, and also an upgraded wireless technology is important. Of course, all this is not allways necessary, but it's more attractive to the buyer to have a lot of technologies together and you, as a user, you choose between use them or not. -- ___ o0 Methril 0o ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
On 4/9/08, Rafael Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everyone, I think that it's really important to have the lastest technologies in mind in order to develop a device that is going to be out a year (or more). Another interesting technology that i think is going to grow in the nexts months is WiMAX. For me 3G is necessary for the next device, HSDPA too, and also an upgraded wireless technology is important. Of course, all this is not allways necessary, but it's more attractive to the buyer to have a lot of technologies together and you, as a user, you choose between use them or not. This is true, but I would not have a phone with everything. It would drain too much power. I think as someone here suggested, optional modules would be great. What if we had a WiFi module and a WiMax or 3G module? This could be a SDIO card. I think it is much to ask about, but it is a cool idea. Optionally, they could make a GTA03w similar to GTA02 (with wifi), except with quad band GSM, and make a GTA03g with 3G (and quad band GSM) and without wifi. There is so many options. We should not expect everything in one phone, as this phone would be so difficult to make, drain so much power, and be so expensive that we would never get it. Just my thoughts -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Neo has enough horsepower and pixels to provide a decent web experience. I have tested the built in browser (with usb net not GPRS) and it works just fine. Stable layout, wonderful text rendering courtesy of the extremely high dpi of the screen. It just needs some usability tweaks. Like scrolling without the scrollbars. Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? -- Bitte beachten Sie, dass dem Gesetz zur Vorratsdatenspeicherung zufolge jeder elektronische Kontakt mit mir sechs Monate lang gespeichert wird. Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. GPG-Key-ID: AFD2FDF3A10BD302 http://www.lawlita.com/pgp-schluessel/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
I'm not sure, but i think that goes mainly for the US. I think 3g networks are widely spread over Europe (don't know about parts of Asia etc.). One of the main disappointments in Europe about the iPhone was that it didn't support 3g at first. In Holland for example most operators have almost 100% network coverage and an increasing number of people use it. And they don't use it like a wifi connection to constantly be connected and pull large amounts of data in, but to be connected whenever you want and wherever you are, without the long waits. I mainly use my phone browser when i'm travelling by train. I dont use much data (mobile prepped websites), but i hate to wait a minute for a new browser page to appear. Regards, Jeroen Steven ** wrote: As a US resident, 3G is pretty useless to me. Mostly because it costs AT LEAST an additional $30 a month to utilize it. I'm also not sure it's available in my area. WiFi, on the other hand, is free when it's available (which is admittedly scarce in some areas). -Steven On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, this is by no means official in any way. Vote on [1] if you _think_ 3G is essential for a successor to FreeRunner [1] http://blog.automated.it/2008/04/07/is-3g-an-important-feature/ Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
Dnia Wednesday 09 of April 2008, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen napisał: Optionally, they could make a GTA03w similar to GTA02 (with wifi), except with quad band GSM, and make a GTA03g with 3G (and quad band GSM) and without wifi. If they will get 3G modems then they should put them into all variants. Look at today top cellphones: HSDPA to 7.2Mbps, UMTS/EDGE/GPRS, WiFi 802.11b/g, BlueTooth 2.0/2.1 with EDR... If GTA03 has to get more geek attention it should get it all. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Fixing apps to stop polling and thrashing the disk would be of more use than using 'gcc -OMG' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:26 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor,GTA03? On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:28:02PM -0500, Mark Arvidson wrote: I whip out my A780 and browse the net/read e-mail/update remote todo lists/ssh into my home network nearly everywhere I go. I use my phone's EDGE capabilities while riding across Texas to the next family event. I use it to check my personal e-mail during downtimes at work (restrictions against doing that on company computers). I do the same while waiting for kids sporting events to start or at the dentist's office. I pull it out after band practice in the middle of nowhere to check my family's Google calendars for potential conflicts. As it is, I don't use Wifi much (of course, I don't have it on my phone yet). There are very few free places to use it around here, and their ranges are rather limited. Traveling at 75 mph down a highway means hotspots come and go in a few seconds, so that's not even a potential problem solver for me. I'm almost precisely the opposite use case. I'm almost always somewhere with stable wireless access. I don't really care too much about fast data access over the phone network, but having 802.11(whatever) in the device is a must for me. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- You're never alone with a rubber duck... --- For me it's the same, but in Austria there is a provider called 3 (also in Italy, UK, Hongkong, Australia.. Etc) which only provides 3G coverage and they extending the 3G coverage and switch off the GSM rooming, they don't have own GSM antennas. In bigger cities you even can't use normal GSM phones without 3G. Because of this 3G is for me a must. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Ricky Fitz wrote: Neo has enough horsepower and pixels to provide a decent web experience. I have tested the built in browser (with usb net not GPRS) and it works just fine. Stable layout, wonderful text rendering courtesy of the extremely high dpi of the screen. It just needs some usability tweaks. Like scrolling without the scrollbars. Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? Maybe. I was more thinking about a grab-and scroll feature (kinetic scrolling). Or smart zooming like the iPhone does. The biggest problem right now is that you have to use small scrollbars to navigate trough big pages. Regards Tilman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Ricky Fitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neo has enough horsepower and pixels to provide a decent web experience. I have tested the built in browser (with usb net not GPRS) and it works just fine. Stable layout, wonderful text rendering courtesy of the extremely high dpi of the screen. It just needs some usability tweaks. Like scrolling without the scrollbars. Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? -- People who will use the device in the bus or in the car will hate you, unless there is an *easy* way to disable those small gestures, or make sure it is not too sensitive. :) While I don't mind using large gestures to perform some operations (like turning the phone upside-down to prevent it from ringing), I don't think small gestures should be on by default. Otherwise, it'll be very hard to use in any case other than sitting down and almost not moving at all... .02$ antoine -- Antoine Reid ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
locale the openmoko
Hi I am an newbi, i want to display the openmoko in chinese not in english, and run it on qemuarm. first,i want to know whether we can change the openmoko from english to chinese ? next, if we can , how to do? looking forward to your reply! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/7/08, Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * If I loose or let my Moko being stolen, I can find my connection parameters (on the paper) and go to track.openmoko.com and there I can find 24 coordinates a day. This could help me find it back or help the police find it back. Of course, if the Moko is turned off, it won't be possible to track it. But as soon as it is turned on again (even if flashed with default image), it will restart to send coordinates to the default server with its SIM-change and flash-change prone ID. There is only one problem with this. If the phone is flashed, the the flash will be erased/overwritten and the program to transmit the coordinates will be gone. Actually, (wondering, because I have no technical skills undergoing my theory...) if the _standard_ image (the one you get after flashing [0], the standard one you would get from openmoko.[com|org|whatever]) contains that software, it would be resistant to people not able to build an own image. The whole idea is there : build this anti-steal program INTO the standard openmoko image, so that the _default_ behavior of any Neo would be to send its coordinates to an openmoko server. The access to this server would be granted by the paper sent _with_ the Neo, linked to the serial (non-modifiable) number of it. (This assumes that this precious paper would not be lost/stolen with the Neo.) This needs strong intrusion of OpenMoko (or its community) into the standard image to be shipped with the Neos. Anyway, as I see it, it _should work_ :) Regards, Didier [0] I understand flashing as for a certain number of devices : reset the original image = if this original image contains the tracker, we're OK. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Am Mittwoch 09 April 2008 10:08:10 schrieb Ricky Fitz: Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? I think this is a great and innovative idea. Does somebody know which resolution can be achieved with those acceleration sensors (single degrees, 10 degrees)? And is really a 3d position detection possible or are there any technical constraints. Best regards, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:28:02PM -0500, Mark Arvidson wrote: I whip out my A780 and browse the net/read e-mail/update remote todo lists/ssh into my home network nearly everywhere I go. I use my phone's EDGE capabilities while riding across Texas to the next family event. I use it to check my personal e-mail during downtimes at work (restrictions against doing that on company computers). I do the same while waiting for kids sporting events to start or at the dentist's office. I pull it out after band practice in the middle of nowhere to check my family's Google calendars for potential conflicts. As it is, I don't use Wifi much (of course, I don't have it on my phone yet). There are very few free places to use it around here, and their ranges are rather limited. Traveling at 75 mph down a highway means hotspots come and go in a few seconds, so that's not even a potential problem solver for me. I'm almost precisely the opposite use case. I'm almost always somewhere with stable wireless access. I don't really care too much about fast data access over the phone network, but having 802.11(whatever) in the device is a must for me. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- You're never alone with a rubber duck... --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Antoine Reid wrote: While I don't mind using large gestures to perform some operations (like turning the phone upside-down to prevent it from ringing), I don't think small gestures should be on by default. Otherwise, it'll be very hard to use in any case other than sitting down and almost not moving at all... .02$ antoine You are probably right. .02€ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Denis wrote: Then why on Earth would a hijacker use standard image? Because the Neos will always be one particular phone in a sea of other phones (even in an ocean of other phone _types_). I was assuming that the hijacker were only random hijackers targetting all possible phones to just resell them... The way of properly flash a Neo with a custom image actually needs and will probably need particular hardware and skills - things that a lambda hijacker will probably not have (he will only if he specifically targets Neos...). Anyway, I agree that there is no easy solution to this particular problem. I always thought that the IMEI was used (by lawly authorised persons) to track all the mobile phones geographically - if this is the case, it should exist for the Neos. Regards, Didier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Hardware update
So, if it doesn't cause too much trouble, may you describe these reasons? Or is there anything on the wiki? (Sorry I cannot check it myself right now.) Daniel On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:39:58 -0700, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Hardware update Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
On 4/9/08, Antoine Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? People who will use the device in the bus or in the car will hate you, unless there is an *easy* way to disable those small gestures, or make sure it is not too sensitive. :) While I don't mind using large gestures to perform some operations (like turning the phone upside-down to prevent it from ringing), I don't think small gestures should be on by default. Otherwise, it'll be very hard to use in any case other than sitting down and almost not moving at all... I am not so sure that needs to be a problem. We can detect spike values from the accelerometer or something like that, and run it through a filter. This means that when you are not moving, you only need small gestures, while when you are located inside the bus, the background guestures will be filtered away, and you need to do bigger gestures. But I think this is not easy, since the user might want to do a lot of gestures in after each other relatively fast. So what about a low pass filter? Could this be done? -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? cheers Sebatsian Am Mittwoch, den 09.04.2008, 13:59 +0200 schrieb Didier Raboud: Denis wrote: Then why on Earth would a hijacker use standard image? Because the Neos will always be one particular phone in a sea of other phones (even in an ocean of other phone _types_). I was assuming that the hijacker were only random hijackers targetting all possible phones to just resell them... The way of properly flash a Neo with a custom image actually needs and will probably need particular hardware and skills - things that a lambda hijacker will probably not have (he will only if he specifically targets Neos...). Anyway, I agree that there is no easy solution to this particular problem. I always thought that the IMEI was used (by lawly authorised persons) to track all the mobile phones geographically - if this is the case, it should exist for the Neos. Regards, Didier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSoC 08 status update
Hello. As you may know, the extended deadline for submitting applications is over now. We like to thank all students for submitting their ideas, answering questions and taking part in the spirit of contributing to OpenMoko. We thought that you would perhaps be interested in some numbers. So here is a small impression of what we got in numbers. :) In total the OpenMoko project got 64 applications. We had to mark two of them as ineligible as they had nothing to do with the project. The residual 62 submissions were from 57 unique students. The idea with the most applications was, how surprising, the accelerometer gestures. We got 13 applications for this idea. Google recieved over 7000 applications this year. This means we have less then 1% of them. So it slowed down during the extension period. We had exactly 1% at the first deadline. :) We have no idea yet how many slots we will get assigned. Two is the minimum and we had 3 last year. Of course we hope for more this year. :) Let's see what we get. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
On 4/9/08, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? It depends on which country you are in. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 08 status update
As a student, those numbers are frightening :). Is there any way that we, as students, can find out where our application stands currently? 2 weeks is a long time to wait :). I understand if OpenMoko doesn't want to release that, but I thought it might be worth asking -- Jacob Thebault-Spieker Cell: (207) 717-5114 Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. As you may know, the extended deadline for submitting applications is over now. We like to thank all students for submitting their ideas, answering questions and taking part in the spirit of contributing to OpenMoko. We thought that you would perhaps be interested in some numbers. So here is a small impression of what we got in numbers. :) In total the OpenMoko project got 64 applications. We had to mark two of them as ineligible as they had nothing to do with the project. The residual 62 submissions were from 57 unique students. The idea with the most applications was, how surprising, the accelerometer gestures. We got 13 applications for this idea. Google recieved over 7000 applications this year. This means we have less then 1% of them. So it slowed down during the extension period. We had exactly 1% at the first deadline. :) We have no idea yet how many slots we will get assigned. Two is the minimum and we had 3 last year. Of course we hope for more this year. :) Let's see what we get. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
It was on the list a few weeks ago - the main reason is the ram divisor - clocking the cpu higher means clocking the ram lower, means lowering the total throughput. So it's a question of requirements. Lowering the ramclock for having the cpu at a higher speed is not worth it. Another point is the power consumption at 500 MHz. Not worth it, too. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if it doesn't cause too much trouble, may you describe these reasons? Or is there anything on the wiki? (Sorry I cannot check it myself right now.) Daniel On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:39:58 -0700, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Hardware update Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Loosing your moko
Well I don't know about many other Countries, but in the US an owner of a laptop has the right to install a software package that calls mother-ship when it boots. The laptop is registered with a provider and should the laptop come up missing, the owner contact the police and the provider works with the police to retrieve it for the legal owner. So I would think that if the legal owner of the phone (I hate phone the Neo is so much more) understands the risk and privacy issues it is my business. I still think it is a great idea and can't wait for the next release so I can hack around on it. It would be kind of fun walking down the street and having the phone notify me another OM community member is approaching. We could start the OM High Five as we pass each other. :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Billaudelle Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:39 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Loosing your moko Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? cheers Sebatsian Am Mittwoch, den 09.04.2008, 13:59 +0200 schrieb Didier Raboud: Denis wrote: Then why on Earth would a hijacker use standard image? Because the Neos will always be one particular phone in a sea of other phones (even in an ocean of other phone _types_). I was assuming that the hijacker were only random hijackers targetting all possible phones to just resell them... The way of properly flash a Neo with a custom image actually needs and will probably need particular hardware and skills - things that a lambda hijacker will probably not have (he will only if he specifically targets Neos...). Anyway, I agree that there is no easy solution to this particular problem. I always thought that the IMEI was used (by lawly authorised persons) to track all the mobile phones geographically - if this is the case, it should exist for the Neos. Regards, Didier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: | On 4/9/08, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is | unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a | function like the one we are discussing here. | But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track | the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has | stolen my phone... | Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy | laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? | | | It depends on which country you are in. | | I would guess it falls under the same rules as LoJack (the car tracking GPS), which seems to be perfectly legal in the US at least. Also, you aren't technically tracking the person so much as you're tracking your phone. - --Bert -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH/NK8VfxFjPpfJ3oRAiluAJ9IWdrOk47U+P8klrtTb+54HOky0QCfScQT oB5JFIeBq8k0iIWl2zWFNu8= =ySg9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 62.159.37.130 [62.159.37.130] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:03:53 +0200 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I see. Thank you! On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:24:53 +0200, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was on the list a few weeks ago - the main reason is the ram divisor - clocking the cpu higher means clocking the ram lower, means lowering the total throughput. So it's a question of requirements. Lowering the ramclock for having the cpu at a higher speed is not worth it. Another point is the power consumption at 500 MHz. Not worth it, too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? I am not a lawyer, this is my amateur analysis: As I see it, there are three issues to contend with: 1. Is it legal or ethical for openmoko to keep a database of where users are and have been without their explicit consent? 2. In what circumstances should law enforcement be granted access to the database of where users are? 3. In what circumstances should the owner of a phone be able to tell where it is? The first issue is about big scary companies keeping big brother like databases on all their users. We all tend to think of openmoko as a friendly community effort with no ill intent, but pretend for a moment, that the phone comes from someone big and scary like Microsoft or Verzon. Would you be happy about them tracking you by default? Over the years some tech publications like www.theregister.co.uk have published scandals and trade conspiracies to reduce consumer choice, invade privacy and create vendor lock in. I dare say they would have bad things to say about this plan unless strong safegards are built in, and we find a way to make this off by default (but still trap anyone who re-flashes the phone). My solution to the privacy problem is this: In the box with a new phone is a card explaining how to create an account with the location DB. The user would normally setup an account with that DB. If they are paranoid about privacy, they can throw away the card without doing anything. In normal operation, the phone contacts the location DB from time to time with its serial number and current position, however if the phones owner has not registered, the DB informs the phone that it is not registered. The phone will store that setting in non volatile memory, and will never contact the location DB again. That way, for users who are concerned about their privacy, or who just dont read the instructions, Only one location will ever be released. If the user later changes their mind the DB registration site will have instructions on how to manually flip the send locations parameter back to true, via a deeply hidden menu or config file. If someone re-flashes the phone, then the parameter will be automatically reset. If it is stolen the rightful owner would have to quickly register with the DB before the phone is re-flashed. The second issue is about law enforcement access to the database. If a bad guy such as a drug dealer is using an openmoko equipped phone, then the police might legitimately want access to the database to find out where they have been. Likewise if there has been a serous crime such as a murder, then the police would want to know who was at the crime scene during the crime. I think that most community members would agree that a request for information in these circumstances should be granted. On the other hand, many people are concerned about warantless wiretaps in the United States at the moment, and worry that the police might make big dragnet like requests to invade privacy. For example issuing speeding tickets automatically if the DB showed that you where moving faster than the posted limit. In some circumstances the owner of the phone might want access to the database to prove their innocence for example to establish an alibi, or to prove that they where not speeding. I would suggest that a good compromise would be for the DB admin to give out to the police information about the movements of any specific user, or all users who where in a specified area for a specified period of time, if the request is made by the registered owner or suitably senor police officer or judge. There is a problem that some law enforcement agencies might try to bypass any privacy rules we setup, and try to get a court order for the entire database. To prevent this we should setup the database in a country with strong privacy laws, and a strong tradition of police who obey the rule of law. We need to make sure that the DB admins are based in that country, and that no one else has root access to the DB,
Battery life on GTA02
Helo What is the current battery lifetime on GTA02? And how long lifetime is expected when it is done? Alexander Frøyseth BTW: What about an extra battery with the FreeRunner when it is sold. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: locale the openmoko
It's possible, but it's not very simple :( We have the same problem with OpenMoko localization in Russia and working for resolving them for Russian (and not only) language. Quickdirty localization way: 1. Setting up of system locale at the beginning of startup script /usr/bin/x-window-manager. For example, Simplified Chinese for Continental China: export LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8 or Traditional Chinese for Taiwan: export LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8 2. Append localization strings to desktop files at /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders. For example, changed openmoko-calculator.desktop: [Desktop Entry] Name=Calculator Name[fr]=Calculatrice Name[it]=Calcolatrice Name[ru]=Калькулятор Name[sv]=Miniräknare Name[zh_CN]=计算器 Name[zh_TW]=計算機 Comment=Perform simple calculations Comment[ru]=Выполняет простейшие вычисления Comment[zh_CN]=执行计算 Comment[zh_TW]=進行計算 Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Type=Application Exec=openmoko-calculator Icon=openmoko-calculator Terminal=false Categories=GTK;Application;Office SingleInstance=true StartupNotify=true Be careful: don't translate Name field in contacts.desktop, openmoko-dates.desktop, openmoko-dialer.desktop and openmoko-messages.desktop. It seems like strange feature (or bug) of openmoko-today, but c'est la vie -- corresponding buttons at main screen will not be clickable :(... 3. If stars will have good positions in the sky, you can see chinesefied application descriptions after OpenMoko starting ;). Best wishes! --Oleg В Срд, 09/04/2008 в 19:32 +0800, 赵经纬 пишет: Hi I am an newbi, i want to display the openmoko in chinese not in english, and run it on qemuarm. first,i want to know whether we can change the openmoko from english to chinese ? next, if we can , how to do? looking forward to your reply! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko
If you look at the Android software stack, you will notice that they basically only use the Linux kernel and a few traditional 'helper' libraries, written in C (jpg, png, etc). But the bulk of the system is written from scratch. They even have their own libc! Their own Java virtual machine, their own graphics system, etc. etc. I do believe all of this is very healthy. Fresh blood. Take the Dalvik virtual machine for example. Basically they kick Sun somewhere, but that may turn out to be a nice wake-up call for something like HotSpot and similar established Java projects. IcedTea, GNU Classpath, etc. At the same time they ignore pretty much everything the FOSS community built over the last 10-20 years. No X, no d-bus, no standard packaging system, ... It's a fundamentally different approach from Openmoko. Hehe, looks like the construct GNU/Linux becomes really usable now. But how do we call what Google creates now? Android/Linux ? OHA/Linux (Open Handset Alliance)? Andy -- Andreas Zuber Linux System-Ingenieur Puzzle ITC GmbH www.puzzle.ch Telefon +41 31 370 22 00 Direkt +41 31 370 22 49 Mobile +41 79 766 25 51 Fax +41 31 370 22 01 Puzzle ist Mitglied der ODF Alliance: http://www.puzzle.ch/odfalliance/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
I would think it would be as simple as having a toggle button that toggles from touching the screen to scroll around (up, down, left, right), and interacting with a webpage. If your in interaction mode, then have the tiny scroll bars, else leave them off. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ricky Fitz wrote: Neo has enough horsepower and pixels to provide a decent web experience. I have tested the built in browser (with usb net not GPRS) and it works just fine. Stable layout, wonderful text rendering courtesy of the extremely high dpi of the screen. It just needs some usability tweaks. Like scrolling without the scrollbars. Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? Maybe. I was more thinking about a grab-and scroll feature (kinetic scrolling). Or smart zooming like the iPhone does. The biggest problem right now is that you have to use small scrollbars to navigate trough big pages. Regards Tilman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD file
It's a packaging problem. I think whoever created the original zip file must have had the files twice, so the second copy got the .1 extension. I'll fix that when I get a chance. Meanwhile, simply rename it to remove the .1 extension: mv gtc02-msh01.prt.1 gtc02-msh01.prt or whatever is suitable for the OS your using. Let me know if this doesn't solve your problem. Michael christooss wrote: I have downloaded SolidWorks package from the page. The problem I see is all files have .1 on the end of a name. Example gtc02-msh01.prt.1 Is this my problem or packaging problem? Tnx for anwser ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life on GTA02
Alexander Frøyseth ha scritto: Helo What is the current battery lifetime on GTA02? I was asking this too in other lists, but there unfortunately are no official/semi-official/unofficial reports from any of the GTA02 owners yet. This is an important issue, but I've not read so many words... :/ And how long lifetime is expected when it is done? According to the wiki [1] the expected battery life is: attery life (Approximation/Ideal Target) Standby time 150-200 Hrs (GSM) (GSM) Talk time (Backlight off) Up to 3-4 hrs(GSM) This seems enough to me, but it should be confirmed... BTW I'd like to know also the battery life of the Freerunner with GPS+GSM (I hope it will last enough for travelling) and WiFi+GSM (well, I'd need about 5-6 hours/day). [1] http://tinyurl.com/6aq7tz -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Yeah, you're probably right, but either way there has to be a better solution that what is currently implemented. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:29 PM, enaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Shannon schrieb: I would think it would be as simple as having a toggle button that toggles from touching the screen to scroll around (up, down, left, right), and interacting with a webpage. If your in interaction mode, then have the tiny scroll bars, else leave them off. in your proposal there is not too much difference between clicking a tiny Button or using a tiny scroll bar... I don't think so the toggle scroll/interaction mode should be set by the duration of the touch. eg. painting a line will end up in scrolling in that direction clicking on a dot wil end up being a webpage interaction. You could even click wait at a point and then move up/down to zoom the page and so on... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Tim Shannon schrieb: I would think it would be as simple as having a toggle button that toggles from touching the screen to scroll around (up, down, left, right), and interacting with a webpage. If your in interaction mode, then have the tiny scroll bars, else leave them off. in your proposal there is not too much difference between clicking a tiny Button or using a tiny scroll bar... I don't think so the toggle scroll/interaction mode should be set by the duration of the touch. eg. painting a line will end up in scrolling in that direction clicking on a dot wil end up being a webpage interaction. You could even click wait at a point and then move up/down to zoom the page and so on... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Loosing your moko
-Original Message- From: David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:15 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Loosing your moko On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... Will the cops be allowed to use this information? There are lots of crazy laws... Is a lawyer here on this list? I am not a lawyer, this is my amateur analysis: As I see it, there are three issues to contend with: 1. Is it legal or ethical for openmoko to keep a database of where users are and have been without their explicit consent? 2. In what circumstances should law enforcement be granted access to the database of where users are? 3. In what circumstances should the owner of a phone be able to tell where it is? The first issue is about big scary companies keeping big brother like databases on all their users. We all tend to think of openmoko as a friendly community effort with no ill intent, but pretend for a moment, that the phone comes from someone big and scary like Microsoft or Verzon. Would you be happy about them tracking you by default? Over the years some tech publications like www.theregister.co.uk have published scandals and trade conspiracies to reduce consumer choice, invade privacy and create vendor lock in. I dare say they would have bad things to say about this plan unless strong safegards are built in, and we find a way to make this off by default (but still trap anyone who re-flashes the phone). My solution to the privacy problem is this: In the box with a new phone is a card explaining how to create an account with the location DB. The user would normally setup an account with that DB. If they are paranoid about privacy, they can throw away the card without doing anything. In normal operation, the phone contacts the location DB from time to time with its serial number and current position, however if the phones owner has not registered, the DB informs the phone that it is not registered. The phone will store that setting in non volatile memory, and will never contact the location DB again. That way, for users who are concerned about their privacy, or who just dont read the instructions, Only one location will ever be released. If the user later changes their mind the DB registration site will have instructions on how to manually flip the send locations parameter back to true, via a deeply hidden menu or config file. If someone re-flashes the phone, then the parameter will be automatically reset. If it is stolen the rightful owner would have to quickly register with the DB before the phone is re-flashed. The second issue is about law enforcement access to the database. If a bad guy such as a drug dealer is using an openmoko equipped phone, then the police might legitimately want access to the database to find out where they have been. Likewise if there has been a serous crime such as a murder, then the police would want to know who was at the crime scene during the crime. I think that most community members would agree that a request for information in these circumstances should be granted. On the other hand, many people are concerned about warantless wiretaps in the United States at the moment, and worry that the police might make big dragnet like requests to invade privacy. For example issuing speeding tickets automatically if the DB showed that you where moving faster than the posted limit. In some circumstances the owner of the phone might want access to the database to prove their innocence for example to establish an alibi, or to prove that they where not speeding. I would suggest that a good compromise would be for the DB admin to give out to the police information about the movements of any specific user, or all users who where in a specified area for a specified period of time, if the request is made by the registered owner or suitably senor police officer or judge. There is a problem that some law enforcement agencies might try to bypass any privacy rules we setup, and try to get a court order for the entire database. To prevent this we should setup the database in a
Re: CAD file
I'll fix that when I get a chance. Meanwhile, simply rename it to remove the .1 extension: Or maybe... rename *.prt.1 *.prt * when cd'd into the directory with the files should rename them all in one fell swoop. I say maybe because I dont have the zip file but it should rename them from anything.prt.1 to anything.prt on all files in the directory ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10
I didn't see anything on the wiki regarding repositories. In fact, this is what I suspected to be the problem. What repositories should be added to the base installation. I simply installed from the Ubuntu 7.10 Desktop CD and have done no additional configuration. I'd like to update the wiki to include instructions for starting from a basic fresh installation and getting the entire toolchain built. Thanks for your help. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Sdun [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:06:18 +0200 Subject: Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10 Hi, have you changed your repositories and reload the paket list? you might remove the cdrom and add at least the main repository in settings-Repositiories and click on the upper left reload button. if you have still problems ask in your local IRC channel on irc.freenode.net. regards, frederik Am Dienstag, den 08.04.2008, 21:40 -0500 schrieb Dale Schumacher: I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu 7.10 and am trying to follow the instructions from the Toolchain wiki page. When I try the command: sudo apt-get install gcc g++ autoconf automake binutils libtools ... I get this error message: Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Pacakge autoconf has no installation candidate Since this is a fresh install, I expect I may not have the right setup to install all the developer goodies. Can someone suggest a clean way to resolve this issue? I would be happy to update the wiki page with better instructions once my issue is resolved. Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Some information about the users (like GPS tracks) can in some countries be illegal unless the user wants this (even if the user is the thief). Information retrieved illegally can not be used to put the thief in jail and I believe that in some places in the US, the thief might put you through a lawsuit and win (you always hear crazy stories from the US legal system). In Norway, we have something called Datatilsynet. Their main task is to protect peoples privacy, and they are run by the government. I can ask them if this would be legal in Norway. But for the other places, I think people just need to figure out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
ke, 2008-04-09 kello 22:48 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen kirjoitti: Some information about the users (like GPS tracks) can in some countries be illegal unless the user wants this (even if the user is the thief). Information retrieved illegally can not be used to put the thief in jail and I believe that in some places in the US, the thief might put you through a lawsuit and win (you always hear crazy stories from the US legal system). While we're being not completely US-centric, I'll remind that illegally acquired information being inadmissible isn't a global loophole either. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Tim Newsom pisze: [...] On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - But hijacker most probably will turn the Neo off once he gets it into his dirty hands. Then he will sell it to some fence. And fence could have skills like this or know some person who does if he is in trading with hot mobiles. [...] I don't know if it legal to track the position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has stolen my phone... If it is legal in your country to use some tracking system in cars (both for stolen vehicles recovering or fleet car tracking) it is probably also legal to use this kind of software in phone. Remember that your intention is to track the device not the person who is, illegally, in its possession. regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Hardware update
The reasons are twofold. 1. The board was designed to operate at 400MHZ. It was designed to run at 400Mhz because the CPU we chose was rated at 400MHz. So running faster than 400MHZ is NOT within the design spec. The phone will ship with a 500MHZ processor because that is what we can buy. Simple. we ordered 400 MHZ. we designed to 400Mhz, and the part we can physically purchase is 500MHZ. So, if I say its 400MHZ and somebody checks the chip, they will say HEY it's 500MHZ and if I say its 500MHZ and somebody checks the speed it runs at they will say HEY its 400 Mhz 2. Even if I could run it at 500Mhz the battery life would suffer. So. We designed it to run at 400. All the cpus are rated at 500. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Spies Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:01 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: Hardware update So, if it doesn't cause too much trouble, may you describe these reasons? Or is there anything on the wiki? (Sorry I cannot check it myself right now.) Daniel On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:39:58 -0700, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Hardware update Alexander Frøyseth writes: Soo 400/500 MHz is no more? I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on 400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and googled to find it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Web Browser?
The accelerometers measure gforce. They measure this force at a certain frequency ( the spec is out there) as with all accelerometers there is a measurement error and a drift. the Phone has two 3 axis accelerometers, and simple physics tells you if you have Xdotdot, Ydotdot, and Zdotdot, you can integrate over time and get velocity in each axis and integrate again to get position. So in theory you can compute the entire 6DOF relative geometry of the system (x,y,z, psi, theta,phi) However, the noise in the signal and your integration step will limit your accuracy. So, its very application specific. For filtering there are many choices. If you know the underlying dynamic model then a Kalman filter might be a good choice. If you google or wikipedia on kalman filter and accelerometer you should find stuff. code even. The neat trick is combining GPS data with accelerometer data. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simarillion Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:29 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Web Browser? Am Mittwoch 09 April 2008 10:08:10 schrieb Ricky Fitz: Probably use the accelerometers for this? If phone bends over a few degrees, scroll down or up... ? I think this is a great and innovative idea. Does somebody know which resolution can be achieved with those acceleration sensors (single degrees, 10 degrees)? And is really a 3d position detection possible or are there any technical constraints. Best regards, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
linux-openmoko build error
Hi, I got that error while building linux-openmoko: -- NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2.6.24+git20080409-r0: task do_fetch: started NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz --14:19:22-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz = `/home/mhassan/work/moko_base/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz' Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 14:19:23 ERROR 404: Not Found. Warning: No merge candidate found because value of config option branch.master.merge does not match any remote branch fetched. No changes. - It seems that 4914 (from same-srcrev.inc) doesn't exist. If so what stable revision should I use? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD file
Michael, both the GTA01 and GTA02 zip files have those .1 extensions inside. The files were created independently (GTA01 by me, GTA02 by Will). There is nothing duplicate in the zip file, everything has .1 extensions. I would be careful about renaming file extensions without checking in Pro/E whether the result still opens. Plus, why rename anything in the first place? This stuff works under Pro/E, it is the original file format Pro/E saves in, including the extension. I wouldn't touch it. Wolfgang On Apr 10, 2008, at 2:25 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: It's a packaging problem. I think whoever created the original zip file must have had the files twice, so the second copy got the .1 extension. I'll fix that when I get a chance. Meanwhile, simply rename it to remove the .1 extension: mv gtc02-msh01.prt.1 gtc02-msh01.prt or whatever is suitable for the OS your using. Let me know if this doesn't solve your problem. Michael christooss wrote: I have downloaded SolidWorks package from the page. The problem I see is all files have .1 on the end of a name. Example gtc02-msh01.prt.1 Is this my problem or packaging problem? Tnx for anwser ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware update
Thank you for that post. This clear things up a bit. steve skrev: The reasons are twofold. 1. The board was designed to operate at 400MHZ. It was designed to run at 400Mhz because the CPU we chose was rated at 400MHz. So running faster than 400MHZ is NOT within the design spec. The phone will ship with a 500MHZ processor because that is what we can buy. Simple. we ordered 400 MHZ. we designed to 400Mhz, and the part we can physically purchase is 500MHZ. So, if I say its 400MHZ and somebody checks the chip, they will say HEY it's 500MHZ and if I say its 500MHZ and somebody checks the speed it runs at they will say HEY its 400 Mhz 2. Even if I could run it at 500Mhz the battery life would suffer. So. We designed it to run at 400. All the cpus are rated at 500. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
