Problem in registering a project at openmoko wiki project list
Hello everyone, I tried to register a project at the open moko wiki project list for my GSoC project, but it shows the following error: ERROR: Could not create group: ERROR: value too long for type character varying(255) I am not getting where it has the problem for type character variation. I tried many combinations regarding the text to be entered there, but everytime the same problem happens. Should i register at the openmoko project list at wiki or somewhere else. Thanks in advance... -- Saurabh Gupta Electronics and Communication Engg. NSIT,New Delhi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem in registering a project at openmoko wiki project list
ok, I got the problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:44 AM, saurabh gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I tried to register a project at the open moko wiki project list for my GSoC project, but it shows the following error: ERROR: Could not create group: ERROR: value too long for type character varying(255) I am not getting where it has the problem for type character variation. I tried many combinations regarding the text to be entered there, but everytime the same problem happens. Should i register at the openmoko project list at wiki or somewhere else. Thanks in advance... -- Saurabh Gupta Electronics and Communication Engg. NSIT,New Delhi -- Saurabh Gupta Electronics and Communication Engg. NSIT,New Delhi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 in December?
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:50:49 -0700 Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: no one has given any release date - or even approximate one for gta03 - anything you read here is speculation. no one has given any EOL date for gta02 either. so speculate all you like here, it's nothing do to with reality until its actually officially announced. :) I saw a post earlier today that hinted that the GTA03 may be released in December of this year. I'm assuming that the GTA02 will be available in July. Does this mean that the lifespan of GTA02 is just six months (July through December)? I'm not sure what to make of this. Ajit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 in December?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:50:49 -0700 Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: no one has given any release date - or even approximate one for gta03 - anything you read here is speculation. no one has given any EOL date for gta02 either. so speculate all you like here, it's nothing do to with reality until its actually officially announced. :) Good to know. Thanks. Ajit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
-[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Andy Powell ] And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use any workspace that require management. :-) Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running... these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your 'cube' you decide to have. Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain entertainment. Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). I don't mean that no graphics is usefull, but there sure is something rotten in here. That is entertainment that drives UI, not usefullness (except in some degree what comes from Apple). Friendly, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Cedric Cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain entertainment. I'm more productive when I'm enjoying myself. I'm enjoying myself more with compiz than with screen. Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). If Ken has more fun editing with his eyes closed, all the more power to him. I'll go back to having fun with my compiz. And hopefully, we'll be at our most productive both of us. ;*) M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
You would hope someone from Berkeley had a better understanding of grammar than that ;) 2008/6/12 Cedric Cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
On Thursday 12 June 2008 08:15, Cedric Cellier wrote: -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Andy Powell ] And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use any workspace that require management. :-) Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running... these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your 'cube' you decide to have. Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain entertainment. WTF are you on about... I suggest you stop watching Youtube videos of fish in a compiz cube and actually try using it. Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). Now you're using possible hearsay and bad grammar [possibly his] to backup your claim. Not only that but I'm telling you now, if Ken Thompson said that, then he's wrong. Some people might work like that, most don't. Quite frankly I don't really care if he did or didn't say it. He may like to use a line editor - I don't. I suggest you go back to using punched cards. I don't mean that no graphics is usefull, but there sure is something rotten in here. That is entertainment that drives UI, not usefullness (except in some degree what comes from Apple). Yeah, because only apple can make anything useful - seriously get a grip. -- Andy / ScaredyCat pgpAn3QrEc4Gf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
Op Thursday 12 June 2008 09:15:10 schreef Cedric Cellier: -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Andy Powell ] And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use any workspace that require management. :-) Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running... these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your 'cube' you decide to have. Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain entertainment. Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). I don't mean that no graphics is usefull, but there sure is something rotten in here. That is entertainment that drives UI, not usefullness (except in some degree what comes from Apple). Friendly, A little entertainment while working doesn't hurt me. Why do offices have pictures on the wall? They aren't necessary either, but they improve the atmosphere, and they improve the productivity. Why else would employers put these pictures there? And is OM wants to sell phones to other people than Ken Tompson and other geeks, they will need a nice UI. I've seen a statement somewhere on the OM site that they hoped GTA2 would be bought by our parents... These are people who would happily invest some electricity in the rendering of a UI. So I think it's in everyones interest that OM is standard supplied with a nice UI. That would make the OM profitable and only than they will be able to make GTA3 to GTAxx. Geeks who don't need/want the nice UI can always switch it off. That's the beauty of Linux. Just press CTRL-AT-F1 and you're rid of KDE/GNOME/Fluxbox... I don't think it would be any harder on the OM. Peter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Click Feedback?
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While JACK is pretty cool, it doesn't cut it on embedded systems since there is no hardware sound accelleration whatsoever. I don't understand what you mean. JACK has nothing whatsoever to do with hardware sound acceleration. On a system like ours, JACK would just introduce latency, as in the end it goes over ALSA as well That would be an extremely negligible latency and it would give us real time dropout less audio on the device, which is pretty crucial on such a thing as a phone. You really want dropouts in the audio when you use your system during a call?. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem removing big clock from screen
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 16:47, rakshat hooja wrote: When I try the instructions in the wiki i get the following error # gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper.png (gconftool-2:1366): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running I am running the april 30th rootfs on the GTA01 Please advise correct command Rakshat You need to dbus-launch it. dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper.png If you use one of my images from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ there's a little app/script to change this and other things (clock, wallpaper, theme etc) btw, the command you are using is for changing the wallpaper not the clock.. -- Andy / ScaredyCat pgp2tysgpRwK1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
citing bucky katt: buddy! grammar is for people who can't understand myself! You would hope someone from Berkeley had a better understanding of grammar than that ;) 2008/6/12 Cedric Cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
Op Tuesday 10 June 2008 10:11:23 schreef Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I have seen it this morning in the planet.openmoko.com, | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ | Andrzej balrog-kun Zaborowski was able to use mplayer with glamo | hardware acceleration Not all is lost to have some decent(not | excelent but barelly usable is enough) video playback, or Rasterman | has bad news again? ;) | | Of course I understand than use sd-card as storage will be not an | option(shared bus issue) but a nfs mounted volume or a streaming mp4 | source can be an option I guess Wah that was really good progress from Andrzej. I wouldn't give up on SD card as storage without trying it: if I understood what goes on then only the MP4 compressed stream is being sent to the Glamo by mplayer... I guess it means 100 - 200KBytes/sec which is way below the point we choke the Glamo memory bus. So we should be able to be pulling 200 - 300KBytes/sec (including audio) at the same from from SD. The wildcard is what the MPEG decoder unit in the Glamo is doing from the inside in terms of hogging the internal memory. -Andy Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
Yeah, because only apple can make anything useful - seriously get a grip. ah ah ah so get an i-foo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko official resell partners
The £272 price from TrueBox does indeed include UK shipping and VAT together all the other incidental charges/costs that we have to cover in addition to the base price of the Freerunner. The Freerunner kit we will be supplying will contain all the addition items only included with the 10 pack shipments from Openmoko. Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 6/11/08, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Tsai wrote: UK TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk Mr. Rob wood £272 delivered to anywhere in the UK... http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html says it's $399, from the US presumably. At the current exchange rate that's £203... I think I can get it shipped across from the US for less than £70 If that price include VAT, it is not that bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 8692190 F: 0709 2117048 DDI: 01908 268903 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
And is OM wants to sell phones to other people than Ken Tompson and other geeks, they will need a nice UI. I've seen a statement somewhere on the OM site that they hoped GTA2 would be bought by our parents... These are people who would happily invest some electricity in the rendering of a UI. So I think it's in everyones interest that OM is standard supplied with a nice UI. That would make the OM profitable and only than they will be able to make GTA3 to GTAxx. Geeks who don't need/want the nice UI can always switch it off. That's the beauty of Linux. Just press CTRL-AT-F1 and you're rid of KDE/GNOME/Fluxbox... I don't think it would be any harder on the OM. Yop, of course but : if for ui's sake OM must go for qvga instead of vga and limit possible rendering because of the necessity to add some fancy stuff, that is not the same result. Is it ctr+alt+F12 that convert a qvga screen in plain vga ? And the compiz stuff on a qvga screen : i really would like to see some videos of it. I do have gp2x because it's open : terminal stuff is not that user-good-expérience. hervé ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Click Feedback?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Esben Stien: That would be an extremely negligible latency and it would give us real time dropout less audio on the device, which is pretty crucial on such a thing as a phone. You really want dropouts in the audio when you use your system during a call?. There will be NO dropouts (at least for call audio). The GSM audio path isn't routed through the system, it's direct way [mic - 8753-mixer - GSM] analog only (by default, you may change this). We don't need low latency on a device like this, we need a way to mix concurrent sounds (like alsa dmix is supposed to do) in a way that's not eating up our cpu-resources. Low latency on audio means some 10 milliseconds, and is important for musicians, maybe powergamers, but very much ot for a handheld device. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter Nijs: Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter Good point. Would make perfect sense... /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
Op Thursday 12 June 2008 09:15:10 schreef Cedric Cellier: -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Andy Powell ] And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use any workspace that require management. :-) Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running... these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your 'cube' you decide to have. Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain entertainment. Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). I don't mean that no graphics is usefull, but there sure is something rotten in here. That is entertainment that drives UI, not usefullness (except in some degree what comes from Apple). Friendly, A little entertainment while working doesn't hurt me. Why do offices have pictures on the wall? They aren't necessary either, but they improve the atmosphere, and they improve the productivity. Why else would employers put these pictures there? And is OM wants to sell phones to other people than Ken Tompson and other geeks, they will need a nice UI. I've seen a statement somewhere on the OM site that they hoped GTA2 would be bought by our parents... These are people who would happily invest some electricity in the rendering of a UI. So I think it's in everyones interest that OM is standard supplied with a nice UI. That would make the OM profitable and only than they will be able to make GTA3 to GTAxx. Geeks who don't need/want the nice UI can always switch it off. That's the beauty of Linux. Just press CTRL-AT-F1 and you're rid of KDE/GNOME/Fluxbox... I don't think it would be any harder on the OM. Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I agree with Andy and Peter without actually having tried compiz. Isn't a good design when something looks awesome but still retains it usefulness? One should ofc aim for both, even when the biggest market are shell-geek developers. The developers and powerusers can easily (pretty) turn off nifty graphics whereas a consumer will expect it from the beginning. And when we see regular people holding OM phones in their hands, we know we've spread the OSS philosophy, if only a little seed, it might be the spark to set a revolution in motion. That's what we all want, no? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:08:46 +0200 Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Op Tuesday 10 June 2008 10:11:23 schreef Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I have seen it this morning in the planet.openmoko.com, | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ | Andrzej balrog-kun Zaborowski was able to use mplayer with glamo | hardware acceleration Not all is lost to have some decent(not | excelent but barelly usable is enough) video playback, or Rasterman | has bad news again? ;) | | Of course I understand than use sd-card as storage will be not an | option(shared bus issue) but a nfs mounted volume or a streaming mp4 | source can be an option I guess Wah that was really good progress from Andrzej. I wouldn't give up on SD card as storage without trying it: if I understood what goes on then only the MP4 compressed stream is being sent to the Glamo by mplayer... I guess it means 100 - 200KBytes/sec which is way below the point we choke the Glamo memory bus. So we should be able to be pulling 200 - 300KBytes/sec (including audio) at the same from from SD. The wildcard is what the MPEG decoder unit in the Glamo is doing from the inside in terms of hogging the internal memory. -Andy Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. as such the sd io overhead compared to the overhead of uploading yuv data is minimal/nothing. lots of details have been gone over here before with regard to the glamo and video acceleration for video (yuv) playback. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
On Thursday 12 June 2008 12:18, herve couvelard wrote: Yeah, because only apple can make anything useful - seriously get a grip. ah ah ah so get an i-foo it's called sarcasm. http://www.answers.com/topic/sarcasm -- Andy / ScaredyCat pgpADDILV2A9q.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
I copy paste an very interesting comment from balrog ,seems that I have become his(totally voluntary) mail list assistant ;) Rasterman. 352x288 25 fps. something to say? --Begin of comment--- # balrog Says: June 11, 2008 at 4:20 am Mikko: I hope we’ll eventually see more than just MPEG support on the Glamo (3D stuff etc). Regarding QVGA at this moment it’s a conjecture… and at this moment it’s confirmed. I’ve just tried QVGA and while the colours became a bit undersaturated and gamma seems to be too high, I got full 25fps playback both straight and with rotation, hw-scalled from 352×288 to 240×320 or 320×240. Unfortunately tslib seems to not have noticed the change and still reports touch coords in 0…640 range. i_m_bison: Darude_-_Feel_the_beat.mp4 (the video is ok, the music not so much:)) tuXXX: I was wondering about that too, but rather MPEG decoding on the CPU and scaling/rotation on Glamo - this would allow us to do more stuff concurrently. The other way, as Mikko notes you transfer the video to the VRAM, then back to the RAM and then back to the VRAM and the bus becomes a bottleneck. In the current setup and normal usage I don’t agree with Raster that 7M/s is a bottleneck, it’s rather hard to saturate with normal X usage even coupled with SD card traffic etc. --End of comment-- Raster, I'm really happy that you where so wrong at this topic --- El jue, 12/6/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 2:37 Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter Nijs: Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter Good point. Would make perfect sense... /j___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
No, because you don't have access to everything in a sim card and thus can't copy it. Ortwin On 6/12/08, Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual SIM?
this should do the trick: http://ucables.com/ref/2-SIMS-IN1 or http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE you still need the IMSI and Ki numbers, but those can be obtained (at least that is what i read a long while ago) but emulating would be much more fun :) y _ Probeer Live Search: de zoekmachine van de makers van MSN! http://www.live.com/?searchOnly=true___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
On Thu, June 12, 2008 3:21 pm, Bumbl wrote: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? In theory this is possible if you can extract the 128 bit crypto key inside the SIM which is used to authenticate the SIM card to the network. Because of weaknesses in the crypto algorithms used by GSM it is possible to extract that secret from a SIM card using about 60 000 chosen challenges, which can be done in about 12 hours. (assuming the SIM card does not have a retry counter) If you manage to do all of that, then yes you could have as software copy of one or more SIM cards and switch between them, thought the GSM module will only ever be able to use one at a time. You should also bear in mind, that some people may consider cloning SIM cards to be illegal computer hacking or circumvention technology, especially networks who might object to you using cloned SIM cards to do least cost routing. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-17.pdf -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why not use forum?
Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA03 speculation [UNOFFICIAL]
I am the one who predicted GTA03 in December 2008 here's my reasoning for targeting that date. as an aside, I think December is the LATEST date GTA03 will see the light of day. With the modest changes being made in GTA03, it would almost be irrelevant if delayed past then. GTA03 is a fairly small re-spin of GTA02. They are not doing anything very risky. The biggest change is a new GSM radio that supports EDGE, which is much faster than GPRS that GTA02 has. second, the Glamo graphics chip added to GTA02 (not in GTA01) was a disaster, pure and simple. so it will be ripped out. third, the headset connector will change to 3.5 mm. I suspect but can not prove that there will also be improvements and cleanup in the audio circuitry. they are adding a camera to GTA03, which is a good thing. the case design will evidently be changed significantly. OpenMoko are NOT doing major surgery vs GTA02, such as switching to a new processor CONCLUSION for someone who is anxious to ~develop~ on Freerunner GTA02 is THE model to buy, because time is of the essence. for someone who has a reasonable alternative, and will mainly be a Freeruner USER rather than developer, it may or may not make sense to wait for GTA03. I have ZERO repeat NO (!!)inside information, so I may well be totally WRONG. Ron K. Jeffries http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why not use forum?
+1 for forum _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On 2008-06-12, at 17:30, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. For me, mailing list is much better to view, filter, read off-line, quick download etc. etc. For admins, mailing list is much easier to maintain (no buggy, crappy phpBB, etc.). Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Personally I see no advantages of web forums ;) -- Pawel Kowalak ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)
On 12 Jun 2008, at 03:19, Kevin Dean wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I don't get a phone, I shouldn't have to pay for one. Walk into T-Mobile or ATT and buy a phone and sign up for a contract. Write down how much you pay. Walk out, put that phone in your car and walk back into the store and sign up for the same contract without a phone. Write THAT price down. Compare and you'll see they're the same. I think your replies to this thread started when I said OMG! WTF!?!?!? in reply to a statement like that. Here in the UK the prices would certainly NOT be the same. Checking ATT's website it does indeed seem the situation is different in the US. I went to the website, clicked the shop for tariffs (shop for plans?) link and was unable to complete the checkout process without selecting a handset. To a European, this seems about as antiquated as being required to rent your landline handset from the phone company (which indeed was the case when I was a child, 25 years ago). You're not arguing you shouldn't have to pay for a phone, you're arguing that you should be allowed to dictate the level of profit someone else's company is able to make on transactions. Hmmmn... IMO you're taking Mr Pfeiffer's should a bit literally here. Certainly from my point of view, I am astounded at the opportunity the US carriers appear to be missing out on. They could easily advertise got a handset from your old contract? Save 25% on you monthly bills - try our new SIM-only tariffs! Think of how the customers would come flocking to them. The scenario you describe means that whenever one finishes one's contract the old mobile phone is garbage. It's chucked away and becomes landfill. I can't see how this benefits anyone except the foreign manufacturers of phones. The carriers have to stock, inventory finance handset stock, and the consumer ends up paying more. It just seems insane to me, and that's what surprised me. (OTOH: I now understand that the iPhone truly does only cost $199, if one prefers monthly billing to PAYG SIM cards). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT]Re: Why not use forum?
The developers must prefer mailing lists. It's not really a place to discuss the merits of mailing lists versus forums - but I must add that if you're using a decent mail client, you can probably configure it in a way whereby the messages appear like a forum... so in many ways mailing lists are the more customisable and flexible option. Regards, andylockran - Original Message - From: Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Why not use forum? Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
http://forums.makeopensource.com/index.php Haven't been there in a while, though. It seems like those weird hardcore Linux people simply prefer mailing lists... _ Ortwin On 6/12/08, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Bumbl: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? SIM cards implement an on-board crypographic authentication mechanism that simply can't be downloaded and saved somewhere else. You may download and copy your contacts, that's it. Noting else. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
We went over this right around the same time last year. The general consensus was that forums are the devil, mailing lists are good and anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete moron. Oh and prepare to get torn a new one for having a differing opinion. On Jun 12, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:52:07 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 7m/s hard to saturate? remember - if you SATURATE it at 7m/sec - you now lost ALL compute cycles. you spend 100% on just copying across the bus. let me explain. while you copy data - the cpu is IDLE waiting on the bus - you can't go do something else. if you can't copy at the full memory busy speed you are losing EXCESS cycles compared to what you would copying the result to system ram. you do the math. as for 352x288 - please dig through the mail archives. i posted details on what is possible in theory and what i have in fact measured myself. i gave actual framerates, resolutions etc. with real video content being played. i always said you would probably manage qvga - but never vga. (not at 25 or 30fps). it's not possible (if transporting yuv data across the bus). i did tests too - different mp4 file, at 640x480 letting xvideo do the scaling. i maxed out at 32fps for 320x240 - of course this will vary from file to file. higher bitrate files will require more cpu to decode and thus will not play as well. 320x240 @ 21fps was the limit with cpu pegged at 100% usage, video file coming off flash. 19fps when coming from sd-card. i never said video playback was not possible - i said it came with caveats - as it always does unless you have a hopelessly overpowered system. you give up complexity, resolution or framerate - always. just a question of which one and how much. a simpler codec or lower bitrate will win you on the compute side and this can vary from video to video (a video that is mostly black darkness will decode much faster than one with lots of motion, details and colour). so please let me know where i have been so wrong? comparing apples to apples? I copy paste an very interesting comment from balrog ,seems that I have become his(totally voluntary) mail list assistant ;) Rasterman. 352x288 25 fps. something to say? --Begin of comment--- # balrog Says: June 11, 2008 at 4:20 am Mikko: I hope we’ll eventually see more than just MPEG support on the Glamo (3D stuff etc). Regarding QVGA at this moment it’s a conjecture… and at this moment it’s confirmed. I’ve just tried QVGA and while the colours became a bit undersaturated and gamma seems to be too high, I got full 25fps playback both straight and with rotation, hw-scalled from 352×288 to 240×320 or 320×240. Unfortunately tslib seems to not have noticed the change and still reports touch coords in 0…640 range. i_m_bison: Darude_-_Feel_the_beat.mp4 (the video is ok, the music not so much:)) tuXXX: I was wondering about that too, but rather MPEG decoding on the CPU and scaling/rotation on Glamo - this would allow us to do more stuff concurrently. The other way, as Mikko notes you transfer the video to the VRAM, then back to the RAM and then back to the VRAM and the bus becomes a bottleneck. In the current setup and normal usage I don’t agree with Raster that 7M/s is a bottleneck, it’s rather hard to saturate with normal X usage even coupled with SD card traffic etc. --End of comment-- Raster, I'm really happy that you where so wrong at this topic --- El jue, 12/6/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 2:37 Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter Nijs: Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter Good point. Would make perfect sense... /j___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Yorick Matthys: this should do the trick: http://ucables.com/ref/2-SIMS-IN1 or http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE you still need the IMSI and Ki numbers, but those can be obtained (at least that is what i read a long while ago) but emulating would be much more fun :) [quote] System Requirements: Software works best with Windows98 IMPORTANT NOTE: The device is only compatible with GSM SIM COMP128-V1, If you try to read a SIM card bought since June 2002 you may not be able to do it, because phone operator companies are changing the algorhythm for the implementation of KI and IMSI encryptation. [/quote] Do you have MORE THAN ONE simcard that's older than 6years and you still want to use them? /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb David Pottage: On Thu, June 12, 2008 3:21 pm, Bumbl wrote: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? In theory this is possible if you can extract the 128 bit crypto key inside the SIM which is used to authenticate the SIM card to the network. Because of weaknesses in the crypto algorithms used by GSM it is possible to extract that secret from a SIM card using about 60 000 chosen challenges, which can be done in about 12 hours. (assuming the SIM card does not have a retry counter) If you manage to do all of that, then yes you could have as software copy of one or more SIM cards and switch between them, thought the GSM module will only ever be able to use one at a time. And our GSM-module uses the card inserted in the reader by directly connecting to it, in the first place. You probably could emulate sim-auth profile over BT to the AT-port of GSM-module, though. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:52:07 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: nb - i codec only - and i also used mplayer at the time. mpeg1, mpeg2, not to mention a myriad of other codecs won't work there, and it still only producing qvga video. if you do follow prior threads on this, you will notice that i never covered the mp3 decode of the glamo. that's always possible, but as such to do well would need a generic codec-level api supporting it - like openmax. I copy paste an very interesting comment from balrog ,seems that I have become his(totally voluntary) mail list assistant ;) Rasterman. 352x288 25 fps. something to say? --Begin of comment--- # balrog Says: June 11, 2008 at 4:20 am Mikko: I hope we’ll eventually see more than just MPEG support on the Glamo (3D stuff etc). Regarding QVGA at this moment it’s a conjecture… and at this moment it’s confirmed. I’ve just tried QVGA and while the colours became a bit undersaturated and gamma seems to be too high, I got full 25fps playback both straight and with rotation, hw-scalled from 352×288 to 240×320 or 320×240. Unfortunately tslib seems to not have noticed the change and still reports touch coords in 0…640 range. i_m_bison: Darude_-_Feel_the_beat.mp4 (the video is ok, the music not so much:)) tuXXX: I was wondering about that too, but rather MPEG decoding on the CPU and scaling/rotation on Glamo - this would allow us to do more stuff concurrently. The other way, as Mikko notes you transfer the video to the VRAM, then back to the RAM and then back to the VRAM and the bus becomes a bottleneck. In the current setup and normal usage I don’t agree with Raster that 7M/s is a bottleneck, it’s rather hard to saturate with normal X usage even coupled with SD card traffic etc. --End of comment-- Raster, I'm really happy that you where so wrong at this topic --- El jue, 12/6/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 2:37 Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter Nijs: Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter Good point. Would make perfect sense... /j___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:Why not use forum?
Leonti Bielski writes: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install Oh, please, no. Every forum I've tried to work with (I'll admit there have been very few) has been very pretty, but absolutely painful in terms of actually being able to follow the flow of conversation and topics. Good old fashioned text-only email works very, very well for this (arguably, IRC works even better for a really dynamic conversation). Shortly after these mailling lists were established, somebody else was complaining about the lack of a forum, and was going to create one. I don't know whatever happened to that effort... if you'd like to create a forum for openmoko discussions, you are of course more than welcome to do so. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Pawel Kowalak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-06-12, at 17:30, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. For me, mailing list is much better to view, filter, read off-line, quick download etc. etc. For admins, mailing list is much easier to maintain (no buggy, crappy phpBB, etc.). Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Personally I see no advantages of web forums ;) Well, it's a more reliable method to isolate threads from each other. For example, the whole PANIC! iPhone is $200! thread is listed as a dozen or more threads in gmail right now. -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 03:30:39PM +, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install I can see no advantages of using a forum instead of a mailing list. Forums are, in my opinion, a far *worse* system for tracking multiple topics and threads of conversation than mailing lists. With a mailing list, I can trivially search the whole archive, rearrange all the posts by pretty much any criterion I choose to pick, read only new posts without having to search for them, and I get far better and clearer threading support in my mail client than in any forum I've ever seen. I also don't have to wait while my web browser loads the page to see the next post (or thread, or whatever). I've never managed to maintain any interest or engagement in a project where the primary interaction with the project is via forums. It's just too much hard work to make it worthwhile for me. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- There's many a slip 'twixt wicket-keeper and gully. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen! Plug in modules
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:02 +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! I would like a screen maybe 10mm to 20mm or so larger, but any bigger than that makes it too wide for a phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal (landscape or vertical portrait) usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back. I would rather see the height used for a widescreen display and/or increased to add space for drop in modules (camera, ir remote, card reader, etc). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:30:39 +0200, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of them, periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up quickly. It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. I'd advise you to use a better email client. You can't say that something is better to view than email because email is displayed differently by hundreds of email clients available. Some of them have support for dealing with particular threads, such as ignoring or giving priority. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA03 speculation [UNOFFICIAL]
Ron K. Jeffries wrote: GTA03 is a fairly small re-spin of GTA02. They are not doing anything very risky. The biggest change is a new GSM radio that supports EDGE, which is much faster than GPRS that GTA02 has. Do we know if the problem which reduced the number of usable GSM frequencies from four to three will be fixed on the GTA03? To me, that seems like at least as big a problem as the Glamo. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Hello I was thinking more to a votation system about the decisions that are shared with community. Do you want feature X or feature Y? I think this can help a lot OM to take some decisions, and can remain for storical reasons. I know there are a lot of online services that give its for free. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Leonti Bielski wrote: Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? I prefer to access the lists through the NNTP gateway on gmane.org, e.g. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Jun 2008, at 03:19, Kevin Dean wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I don't get a phone, I shouldn't have to pay for one. Walk into T-Mobile or ATT and buy a phone and sign up for a contract. Write down how much you pay. Walk out, put that phone in your car and walk back into the store and sign up for the same contract without a phone. Write THAT price down. Compare and you'll see they're the same. I think your replies to this thread started when I said OMG! WTF!?!?!? in reply to a statement like that. Here in the UK the prices would certainly NOT be the same. Checking ATT's website it does indeed seem the situation is different in the US. I went to the website, clicked the shop for tariffs (shop for plans?) link and was unable to complete the checkout process without selecting a handset. To a European, this seems about as antiquated as being required to rent your landline handset from the phone company (which indeed was the case when I was a child, 25 years ago). I'm surprised that ATT doesn't list that on their site. I honestly haven't checked their (or T-Mobile, my provider of choice) website for being able to do that. The thing is, people frequently go Cell carriers are doing this abusive thing! and that gets me a bit annoyed. It is more common to buy the phone/service bundle, but it's not the ONLY way to. I went to T-Mobile this weekend to purchase a SIM card for my Freerunner and the only question asked was Is it unlocked (ensuring it's compatible). There was a SNAFU there because this was a newly opened store who didn't have the activation kits, but it was a service they clearly offered and even have pamphlets in their holders. You're not arguing you shouldn't have to pay for a phone, you're arguing that you should be allowed to dictate the level of profit someone else's company is able to make on transactions. Hmmmn... IMO you're taking Mr Pfeiffer's should a bit literally here. Certainly from my point of view, I am astounded at the opportunity the US carriers appear to be missing out on. They could easily advertise got a handset from your old contract? Save 25% on you monthly bills - try our new SIM-only tariffs! Think of how the customers would come flocking to them. There are other logistical issues to that, and while it's slowly changing, it's not possible to ignore them. In most of Europe, GSM is standard. In the US, two of the four largest cellular providers use CDMA so for most people making that claim would come with so many caveats that it would be hard to handle even in the best case. In Verizon's case, for instance, they will be transitioning to GSM from CDMA soon. It would be a bit counter productive for them to encourage people to bring their existing phones over to a network when they're phasing down that very technology. There's also the fact that most people are in a contract. There would have to be SIGNIFIGANT savings to justify most of that for customers. Typical early termination fees are between $150 and $300 per handset. A 25% monthly savings on my plan would save me very little money in the long run ($150 cancellation fee per handset and my plan is a family plan where my wife and I share minutes. To cancel that service, I'd need to terminate 2 phones, costing me $300 for a two year savings of $360). There's also the consumerist mentality here. I'm not sure if it exists in the UK, or if so, how strongly, but it is common (especially among the younger demographic) to change phones frequently to have the latest and greatest. It's the same reason the iPhone 2 is going to sell despite the fact that the iPhone is still functional and even still leading the pack in terms of appeal. The scenario you describe means that whenever one finishes one's contract the old mobile phone is garbage. It's chucked away and becomes landfill. I can't see how this benefits anyone except the foreign manufacturers of phones. The carriers have to stock, inventory finance handset stock, and the consumer ends up paying more. It just seems insane to me, and that's what surprised me. As I said above, in many many many cases it is the phone, NOT the cellular service, that gets people interested in service. ATT wasn't particularly appealing but the iPhone WAS. There are some pragmatic people who buy a phone and use it until it dies. A large chunk upgrade their phones before their contracts expire for some new or improved feature, or because it comes in a new color. Even when two carriers have the same phone models, there are often exclusives - Verizon had a pink RAZR for a year before anyone else did for instance. (OTOH: I now understand that the iPhone truly does only cost $199, if one prefers monthly billing to PAYG SIM cards). Perhaps that's another difference that matters. Trying to buy my SIM this past weekend, even though they
Re: Why not use forum?
It's interesting how much divide this issue causes, I think. :) I'm personally a fan of fora, but I don't really care too strongly either way. Some people REALLY like mailing lists and some people REALLY like fora and never the twain shall meet. :P On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We went over this right around the same time last year. The general consensus was that forums are the devil, mailing lists are good and anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete moron. Oh and prepare to get torn a new one for having a differing opinion. On Jun 12, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)
Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tariffs (shop for plans?) link and was unable to complete the checkout process without selecting a handset. I'm surprised that ATT doesn't list that on their site. They want to force you to walk into their store where you see all of the phones on display and try to sell you accessories, etc. Just take the Freerunner into the store with you and say Hey, have an unlocked GSM phone here already, just need a SIM... I went to T-Mobile this weekend to purchase a SIM card for my Freerunner and the only question asked was Is it unlocked (ensuring it's compatible). There was a SNAFU there because this was a newly opened store who didn't have the activation kits, but it was a service they clearly offered and even have pamphlets in their holders. Kevin, make sure you activate your minutes -- the TMobile store I went to said they would activate my minutes and it took me and Michael Shiloh scratching our collective heads at SCALE 6x to determine that my TMobile SIM wasn't working because it was never activated by the store... -id You're not arguing you shouldn't have to pay for a phone, you're arguing that you should be allowed to dictate the level of profit someone else's company is able to make on transactions. Hmmmn... IMO you're taking Mr Pfeiffer's should a bit literally here. Certainly from my point of view, I am astounded at the opportunity the US carriers appear to be missing out on. They could easily advertise got a handset from your old contract? Save 25% on you monthly bills - try our new SIM-only tariffs! Think of how the customers would come flocking to them. There are other logistical issues to that, and while it's slowly changing, it's not possible to ignore them. In most of Europe, GSM is standard. In the US, two of the four largest cellular providers use CDMA so for most people making that claim would come with so many caveats that it would be hard to handle even in the best case. In Verizon's case, for instance, they will be transitioning to GSM from CDMA soon. It would be a bit counter productive for them to encourage people to bring their existing phones over to a network when they're phasing down that very technology. There's also the fact that most people are in a contract. There would have to be SIGNIFIGANT savings to justify most of that for customers. Typical early termination fees are between $150 and $300 per handset. A 25% monthly savings on my plan would save me very little money in the long run ($150 cancellation fee per handset and my plan is a family plan where my wife and I share minutes. To cancel that service, I'd need to terminate 2 phones, costing me $300 for a two year savings of $360). There's also the consumerist mentality here. I'm not sure if it exists in the UK, or if so, how strongly, but it is common (especially among the younger demographic) to change phones frequently to have the latest and greatest. It's the same reason the iPhone 2 is going to sell despite the fact that the iPhone is still functional and even still leading the pack in terms of appeal. The scenario you describe means that whenever one finishes one's contract the old mobile phone is garbage. It's chucked away and becomes landfill. I can't see how this benefits anyone except the foreign manufacturers of phones. The carriers have to stock, inventory finance handset stock, and the consumer ends up paying more. It just seems insane to me, and that's what surprised me. As I said above, in many many many cases it is the phone, NOT the cellular service, that gets people interested in service. ATT wasn't particularly appealing but the iPhone WAS. There are some pragmatic people who buy a phone and use it until it dies. A large chunk upgrade their phones before their contracts expire for some new or improved feature, or because it comes in a new color. Even when two carriers have the same phone models, there are often exclusives - Verizon had a pink RAZR for a year before anyone else did for instance. (OTOH: I now understand that the iPhone truly does only cost $199, if one prefers monthly billing to PAYG SIM cards). Perhaps that's another difference that matters. Trying to buy my SIM this past weekend, even though they sold them, there was some confusion - they're sold so infrequently here that it was a noteworthy event. Having to not manage minutes is a very convenient thing for me and if not for wanting to test the Freerunner and the 1973 at the same time, I'd have zero real incentive to go prepaid. That sentiment is most common here, though there are good reasons to do an as you go plan. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko
Re: Why not use votation system?
Michele Do you want feature X or feature Y? you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT]Re: Why not use forum?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Andy Loughran: The developers must prefer mailing lists. The day these lists go web-forum, I probably have to quit my job. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
Hehehe definitively you have something to say :) oops I thought that I have erased this final this so unfortunate sentence so please accept my apologizes lets joy the fact that the glamo will not be a wasted chip --- El jue, 12/6/08, Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org CC: David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 6:58 On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:52:07 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: nb - i codec only - and i also used mplayer at the time. mpeg1, mpeg2, not to mention a myriad of other codecs won't work there, and it still only producing qvga video. if you do follow prior threads on this, you will notice that i never covered the mp3 decode of the glamo. that's always possible, but as such to do well would need a generic codec-level api supporting it - like openmax. I copy paste an very interesting comment from balrog ,seems that I have become his(totally voluntary) mail list assistant ;) Rasterman. 352x288 25 fps. something to say? --Begin of comment--- # balrog Says: June 11, 2008 at 4:20 am Mikko: I hope we’ll eventually see more than just MPEG support on the Glamo (3D stuff etc). Regarding QVGA at this moment it’s a conjecture… and at this moment it’s confirmed. I’ve just tried QVGA and while the colours became a bit undersaturated and gamma seems to be too high, I got full 25fps playback both straight and with rotation, hw-scalled from 352×288 to 240×320 or 320×240. Unfortunately tslib seems to not have noticed the change and still reports touch coords in 0…640 range. i_m_bison: Darude_-_Feel_the_beat.mp4 (the video is ok, the music not so much:)) tuXXX: I was wondering about that too, but rather MPEG decoding on the CPU and scaling/rotation on Glamo - this would allow us to do more stuff concurrently. The other way, as Mikko notes you transfer the video to the VRAM, then back to the RAM and then back to the VRAM and the bus becomes a bottleneck. In the current setup and normal usage I don’t agree with Raster that 7M/s is a bottleneck, it’s rather hard to saturate with normal X usage even coupled with SD card traffic etc. --End of comment-- Raster, I'm really happy that you where so wrong at this topic --- El jue, 12/6/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 2:37 Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter Nijs: Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter Good point. Would make perfect sense... /j___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Click Feedback?
Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There will be NO dropouts (at least for call audio). The GSM audio path isn't routed through the system, it's direct way It will be routed through the system in many use cases. One use case is pre processing the sound from the mic before it goes into the GSM module. Preprocessing is something I always do on my VOIP system. I apply low pass and high pass filter, a compressor and sometimes I add other cool stuff, like changing your voice or add a radio proximity bass effect. we need a way to mix concurrent sounds (like alsa dmix is supposed to do) in a way that's not eating up our cpu-resources. If you want to mix audio into the outgoing signal, the audio source might have drop outs because it's being preempted by other real time threads in the kernel. This will not happen in a JACK context. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it's a more reliable method to isolate threads from each other. For example, the whole PANIC! iPhone is $200! thread is listed as a dozen or more threads in gmail right now. That's because people have broken mail clients which don't properly use the reference. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? Because web forums are a pain. I'm over 250 mailing lists. Imaging the unbearable pain of having to go to all those web forums. Web forums are also extremely bad for a structured discussion. Web forums is a kids thing, basically;). -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Why not use forum?
No kidding, this list is effectively a forum and the discussions would fit nicely on a forum site. Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective notifications. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonti Bielski Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:31 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Why not use forum? Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 speculation [UNOFFICIAL]
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries: I am the one who predicted GTA03 in December 2008 here's my reasoning for targeting that date. as an aside, I think December is the LATEST date GTA03 will see the light of day. With the modest changes being made in GTA03, it would almost be irrelevant if delayed past then. GTA03 is a fairly small re-spin of GTA02. They are not doing anything very risky. The biggest change is a new GSM radio that supports EDGE, which is much faster than GPRS that GTA02 has. Well the old modem chipset is very... uncomfortable to cope with (FW etc), and it's EOL I heard. Anyway the hw-changes aren't this big for the rest of the circuit, to handle a new GSM-module. After all it's a module ;-) second, the Glamo graphics chip added to GTA02 (not in GTA01) was a disaster, pure and simple. so it will be ripped out. GTA01 is working without, so it seems not to be a risky adventure to kick it. third, the headset connector will change to 3.5 mm. I suspect but can not prove that there will also be improvements and cleanup in the audio circuitry. they are adding a camera to GTA03, which is a good thing. And looks like low risk. Simple interface. Well you never know... :-/ the case design will evidently be changed significantly. OpenMoko are NOT doing major surgery vs GTA02, such as switching to a new processor CONCLUSION for someone who is anxious to ~develop~ on Freerunner GTA02 is THE model to buy, because time is of the essence. for someone who has a reasonable alternative, and will mainly be a Freeruner USER rather than developer, it may or may not make sense to wait for GTA03. I have ZERO repeat NO (!!)inside information, so I may well be totally WRONG. There's nothing I can correct you, though I'm also not sure about many of the details you stated, and this is *no* verification of what you mentioned. My Motto Of The Year: plans change quickly... /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 speculation [UNOFFICIAL]
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken Young: Ron K. Jeffries wrote: GTA03 is a fairly small re-spin of GTA02. They are not doing anything very risky. The biggest change is a new GSM radio that supports EDGE, which is much faster than GPRS that GTA02 has. Do we know if the problem which reduced the number of usable GSM frequencies from four to three will be fixed on the GTA03? To me, that seems like at least as big a problem as the Glamo. Nah, if you're not travelling twice a week around the whole world, you can happily live even with a dual-band cellphone on nearly every place in the world. For *me*, quad-band is very low priority on any phone I consider to buy. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Pah, mailing lists are for old people. :P On 6/12/08, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? Because web forums are a pain. I'm over 250 mailing lists. Imaging the unbearable pain of having to go to all those web forums. Web forums are also extremely bad for a structured discussion. Web forums is a kids thing, basically;). -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. For me, mailing list is much better to view, filter, read off-line, quick download etc. etc. For admins, mailing list is much easier to maintain (no buggy, crappy phpBB, etc.). I wouldn't say mailing lists are entirely bug free - witness the duplicate messages I regularly delete out of my openmoko folder on a regular basis. for me some advantages of forums: - far easier to set up and use, no filters and etc. - far less distracting, with no emails coming in every 5 secs for every topic. - don't have to download 1 million emails onto all my machines that I use thunderbird on. +1 for forums from me. or, why not usenet?? what's wrong with newsgroups? I don't understand why people prefer mailing lists to newsgroups. Ben B. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
I don't like the fact that a cold statistics guide decisions/development of OM (and any open-source/free software) being developed based on it, mailing list,forums and even blogs allows you to argue about, and understand more the why of some decisions not the decision itself only. I like more the idea of a positive/negative arguments vote system something like comments of digg.com. A lot more complex implement I suppoe but you can evaluate more accurate how the community how even feels about something. By the way, the idea of having such a thing like this as planet system? not to filter what is it the first page, no such news volume to even think about this almost right now ;), but to have a ponderate opinion value(how the whole comunity thinks about your and others opinions good/bad/irrelevant.? --- El jue, 12/6/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Why not use votation system? Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 8:14 Hello I was thinking more to a votation system about the decisions that are shared with community. Do you want feature X or feature Y? I think this can help a lot OM to take some decisions, and can remain for storical reasons. I know there are a lot of online services that give its for free. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
docking station/game pad
Just found this. http://brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01384dept_id=057cat_id=299 -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:01 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...extra removed... The battery problem is a bit odd, too - especially because technically umts takes less power - in use and even less in standby. It powers up on higher data rates what of course will take some power. So why is this? First I think it's because if the relatively bad 3G-coverage that causes a weaker signal. The other point is that GSM is a pretty old (for techies :) and more than just widely used and mature technique. Actually, the battery issue is due to one main concept, the difference between air interfaces: Time Division Duplex, or Code Division Duplex. GSM/TDMA uses timeslots, vs CDMA/UMTS using a special code to spread its constant output to a wide 1.25mhz (CDMA2000) or 5mhz (3G/UMTS)spectrum. GSM has 8 timeslots per channel. Therefore, with GSM you end up only having to power up the recieve hardware (and god knows what else, amplifiers, supporting hardware, codecs?) only 1/8 of the time. I would presume even less when in AMR half-rate, being only 1/2 of the original timeslot is used for carrying the voice payload. CDMA/UMTS and GSM all stop/limit transmitting when you aren't talking, but again, when you ARE talking, 1/8 of the time transmitting vs 1/1 of the time transmitting = a lot more power used for code-division spread spectrum style air interfaces. Standby times also are affected by this, but are IMHO more to do with the manufacturers skill at power reduction versus the transmission of (re-)registration data to the network on an occasional basis. My 2 cents. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - far less distracting, with no emails coming in every 5 secs for every topic. The distraction is a feature, for any project which you intend to take up a significant part of your spare time, and to contribute rather than just reading occasionally: it keeps you engaged. If I had to go to a separate place just to keep up on OpenMoko stuff, I would probably not get around to it very often. Whereas for me, reading email almost continuously is a very old habit (started in about 1994). Emails from my favorite project lists remind me very often of what I intend to be working on after I go home from work. Although, the signal/noise ratio on this list is quite bad, so it's not a very good use of time to actually read most of the stuff. (And it's even less worthwhile for me to add to the noise, of which this thread is a good example, but here I am doing just that. :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thursday 12 June 2008 23:33:37 Ben Burdette wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. For me, mailing list is much better to view, filter, read off-line, quick download etc. etc. For admins, mailing list is much easier to maintain (no buggy, crappy phpBB, etc.). I wouldn't say mailing lists are entirely bug free - witness the duplicate messages I regularly delete out of my openmoko folder on a regular basis. for me some advantages of forums: - far easier to set up and use, no filters and etc. Supposing that you read other mail using thunderbird your mail is always running. So Instead of firing up FF, clicking on a bookmark, selecting the forum and waiting all the time while pages load, look at your running mail and see if messages of OM have arrived. 'easier to use ' what could be easier ? - far less distracting, with no emails coming in every 5 secs for every topic. I have set up a rule automatically moves the OM messages to a folder I read when I have time. Setting up that rule takes less time than registering on a forum - don't have to download 1 million emails onto all my machines that I use thunderbird on. Leave your messages on the server for all thunderbirds that are NOT master so you only download the messages you want to read. +1 for forums from me. or, why not usenet?? what's wrong with newsgroups? I don't understand why people prefer mailing lists to newsgroups. Because mailing lists do not require you to check for new news from time to time but you get messages as they become available. Because mails are much easier to process than web pages are. (bloated with stuff as they frequently are). Because you have fewer steps needed to access messages. Forums generally require you to select at least the forum you want to open). Ben B. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:24:15 +0200, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pah, mailing lists are for old people. :P Though I have to admit that a web forum has an indisputable advantage of offering a wide choice of graphical smileys. Forum users love that. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Ortwin Regel writes: Pah, mailing lists are for old people. :P Get off my lawn, youngster! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of them, periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up quickly. well, i've seen a forum recently which propagates new entries through rss feeds. thus, it works pretty much like a mailing list -- but. of course you still have to log in to post a reply/new message ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] combined forum and mailinglist (Re: Why not use forum?)
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 02:48:27PM -0400, Kevin Dean wrote: Some people REALLY like mailing lists and some people REALLY like fora and never the twain shall meet. :P Personally, I don't believe this: to me, it sounds entirely feasible to create a 'discussion thread respository' which can be accessed with a web forum interface, a mailinglist interface or an NNTP client. I fail to see the fundamental difference. (of course, there's already gatewaying software like GMANE, some forums already have quite extensive mail features and some mailinglist softwares have added some interactivity to their 'archive'. I don't feel I've seen it 'done right' yet, though, with a central 'message repository' and several interfaces which are all 'first class citizens'. As a hobby project, I started implementing this. I'm currently thinking of a Java web app with a Hibernate database (postgres/mysql), and Subethamail serves as an inspiration. This is *way* pre-alpha, but if anyone would like to cooperate, drop me a note :). Arnout ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:22:30 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hehehe definitively you have something to say :) oops I thought that I have erased this final this so unfortunate sentence so please accept my apologizes lets joy the fact that the glamo will not be a wasted chip it never was wasted, but it's not the ultimate solution to everything either. i'm still wondering where i was so wrong? --- El jue, 12/6/08, Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org CC: David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 6:58 On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:52:07 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: nb - i codec only - and i also used mplayer at the time. mpeg1, mpeg2, not to mention a myriad of other codecs won't work there, and it still only producing qvga video. if you do follow prior threads on this, you will notice that i never covered the mp3 decode of the glamo. that's always possible, but as such to do well would need a generic codec-level api supporting it - like openmax. I copy paste an very interesting comment from balrog ,seems that I have become his(totally voluntary) mail list assistant ;) Rasterman. 352x288 25 fps. something to say? --Begin of comment--- # balrog Says: June 11, 2008 at 4:20 am Mikko: I hope we’ll eventually see more than just MPEG support on the Glamo (3D stuff etc). Regarding QVGA at this moment it’s a conjecture… and at this moment it’s confirmed. I’ve just tried QVGA and while the colours became a bit undersaturated and gamma seems to be too high, I got full 25fps playback both straight and with rotation, hw-scalled from 352×288 to 240×320 or 320×240. Unfortunately tslib seems to not have noticed the change and still reports touch coords in 0…640 range. i_m_bison: Darude_-_Feel_the_beat.mp4 (the video is ok, the music not so much:)) tuXXX: I was wondering about that too, but rather MPEG decoding on the CPU and scaling/rotation on Glamo - this would allow us to do more stuff concurrently. The other way, as Mikko notes you transfer the video to the VRAM, then back to the RAM and then back to the VRAM and the bus becomes a bottleneck. In the current setup and normal usage I don’t agree with Raster that 7M/s is a bottleneck, it’s rather hard to saturate with normal X usage even coupled with SD card traffic etc. --End of comment-- Raster, I'm really happy that you where so wrong at this topic --- El jue, 12/6/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 2:37 Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter Nijs: Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter Good point. Would make perfect sense... /j___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT]Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:12:31 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Andy Loughran: The developers must prefer mailing lists. The day these lists go web-forum, I probably have to quit my job. no need to quit! :) just cease being part of the community. they can have their forum in a bubble and we'll just go continue to do work somewhere else unaware of anything they say or do. :) i'm with you on the sentiment. make it a web forum and that'd be the end of me bothering to take part. i'm not going to wait until i am online to take part and load up a browser, log in separately, deal with a forum's idea of a gui when i have a fine one i already like in my mail client. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:41:29 -0400 Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective notifications. you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :) -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Friday 13 June 2008 00:55:34 arne anka wrote: No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of them, periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up quickly. well, i've seen a forum recently which propagates new entries through rss feeds. thus, it works pretty much like a mailing list -- but. of course you still have to log in to post a reply/new message ... Still this is not the same as you need to start an rss program to trace the rss whereas my email is always open. Also i do not know if rss has thread processing ? CU W ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 June 2008 00:55:34 arne anka wrote: No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of them, periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up quickly. well, i've seen a forum recently which propagates new entries through rss feeds. thus, it works pretty much like a mailing list -- but. of course you still have to log in to post a reply/new message ... Still this is not the same as you need to start an rss program to trace the rss whereas my email is always open. Also i do not know if rss has thread processing ? CU W ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have a love/hate relationship with gmail and lists. I like that I don't have to keep all the messages on my own machine but can still search quickly. I really like the - Show quoted text - feature! I wish I could configure it for this list to put my reply at the bottom for the bottom readers. And it's getting very annoying that gmail *used* to keep conversations neat but has recently lost its tiny little mind and I now have lots of seperate conversations that should all be fewer. So, when we all have our cool FreeRunners do you think we'll still be wasting time discussing the merits of things that aren't really a big deal? :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
