Re: FYI: ATT to sell iPhone without contract
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:12:15 +0200, Joshua Broussard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a 2 year and cancel it the 31st day. The $175 from this and $35 for activation saves you $190 if you buy sans contract. Well a little less if you count the cost of service... If you must have the iPhone, get it in the way that you will get less screwed... This still won't get the phone unlocked. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
the brandnew freerunner and the powered-off gsm schip
yes, i got it! ist cool, it looks nice and i already have the first problem- the gsm-chip is powered off when i start the mobile. i can power it on, but for that i have ti cancel the pin-dialog an i have no idea where can i reopen the dialog. but the phone is nice, very nice :) i will now look for a possibility for solving that problem. (does anyone knows where i can change the standard power setting so that the gsm-chip will be powered on at every start of the phone?) ciao, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Number of shipped devices
Hi all, Is there information on the number of produced, tested and shipped devices? Is that information public, or is it sensitive in some way? I was triggered by Pulster having sold out for this month, and wondered how demand and supply line up. Any comments? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of shipped devices
Yeah it would be interesting to get these stats and how they related to the group guesstimation we did a few months ago. I can't seem to find the link... Nick W. B. Kranendonk wrote: Hi all, Is there information on the number of produced, tested and shipped devices? Is that information public, or is it sensitive in some way? I was triggered by Pulster having sold out for this month, and wondered how demand and supply line up. Any comments? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Frerunner fax capability
Hi all! Is freerunner capable of sending and receiving faxes? Does the gsm chip has to have fax capability or is it just the software? Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?
We at TrueBox (in the UK) are expecting a batch of Freerunners in on the 18th July and are taking orders now. If anyone is interested the shop is at: https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shopthiscat=8 Best regards, Rob Marcel wrote: Seems like this is true. There must have been placed plenty of orders, I was (imho) really quick but still got no confirmation for any date... :( -Marcel Am Dienstag 01 Juli 2008 14:10:42 schrieb Christ van Willegen: Does that mean that if I didn't get an e-mail form Pulster stating that it will be shipped on the 5th, I get it the 25th (if not later)? Christ van Willegen On 6/30/08, Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment are selled out. Jay Vaughan schrieb: Hi all, I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu, and discovered there aren't any left? So where do I buy one from in Europe? Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace (THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with 9 other interested parties. How do I do this? Please advise. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 5083397 F: 0709 2117048 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Inter-Freerunner Connectivity
Maybe when I get time I'll take a freerunner up to my friends at Emu and see what ideas they come up with. Do it! See if they'll port a few of their apps to it for us .. ;) ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which image
The base software is just that. Base software. It will function as an everyday phone with dialer, SMS, and contacts. So, you can take that base and build on it, by yourself or with others. Or, come August timeframe you can get the Beta release of ASU. FSO is a framework or middleware if you like. The point is - what can we *developers* target for our end users? Without some stability on this image issue, 3rd-party developers are gonna get screwed. There may well be a market for new apps on OpenMoko; but not if there is no way we developers can reliably target bundles for the phone. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do understand if you can't/won't tell us but I have to ask anyway, how many Freerunners were in the first batch? 2008/7/2 Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo many thanks for your big interest in our Freerunner 299 eur offer. We started sales Friday 9:00 and 10:30 all the units from our first batch are sold out. I really have to excuse myself to all the persons who made a order but did not get any reply until yet, sorry ! You can be sure I will work 24h at the moment to come back to each of you with a confirmation of your order with delivery date etc. We get new units 07/25/2008 (25.July). All customers who already made a order will get a unit from this batch, promised ! Again sorry and thanks. Chris www.pulster.eu Openmokoshop.eu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I cannot understand this kind of sale, I feel stress, it looks like a competition. When is the real mass market available. Regards. -- Javi Roman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which image
The point is - what can we *developers* target for our end users? fso, as i understand it. it offers a framework separating gui from internals and is supposed to be gui toolkit agnostic, thus allowing to coexist qt, gtk, e?? and whatever toolkits for guis will become available. Without some stability on this image issue, 3rd-party developers are gonna get screwed. There may well be a market for new apps on OpenMoko; but not if there is no way we developers can reliably target bundles for the phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
That's the reason I was posting about XCAS[1], a Computer Algebra System that runs in ARM devices, and the main developer know about programming for restricted resources devices (calculators). The main challenge is the User Interface (hardware and software): - Hardware: keypad? - Software: It must be easy and fast for first time users There are many other options[2], [1] http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/giac.html [2] http://code.google.com/p/sympy/ 2008/7/1, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mathematica would be cool -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodolphe Ortalo Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:16 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: More HW from OpenMoko Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) (In fact, you sort of have already the rpn calculator via dc.) Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current simple calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus the fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely new and porting an existing software). Rodolphe Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit : RPN please. Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP prgrammable calcs ( 12 etc etc) Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator? 2008/6/28, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, Mickey writes: Openmoko is selling hardware products. Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones? That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time ago that non-phone products may be in the pipeline I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router, a SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld. I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already free devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have hardware available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner: Routers - wireless or not: PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html SOHO NAS: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html Gaming handheld: Pandora Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice. The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might just be close enough... I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby, available outside the US. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Frerunner fax capability
Am Mittwoch 02 Juli 2008 11:33:18 schrieb Leonti Bielski: Is freerunner capable of sending and receiving faxes? Out of the box, no. This is just a software limitation that could be fixed. Does the gsm chip has to have fax capability or is it just the software? Yes, TI-Calypso is a FAX class device: at+gcap? +GCAP: +CGSM,+FCLASS OK at+fclass=? 0,2.0,8 OK -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies
Hi together, I'm a little bit confused. I just received my Freerunner one hour ago. Now I want to try the several images. In the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner) is written: Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner in NOR Flash . But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can not be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Frerunner fax capability
Great, thank you! As long as limitation is software based I don't care. The main thing it's possible. On 7/2/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch 02 Juli 2008 11:33:18 schrieb Leonti Bielski: Is freerunner capable of sending and receiving faxes? Out of the box, no. This is just a software limitation that could be fixed. Does the gsm chip has to have fax capability or is it just the software? Yes, TI-Calypso is a FAX class device: at+gcap? +GCAP: +CGSM,+FCLASS OK at+fclass=? 0,2.0,8 OK -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies
simarillion wrote: Hi together, I'm a little bit confused. I just received my Freerunner one hour ago. Now I want to try the several images. In the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner) is written: Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner in NOR Flash . But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can not be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki? This is not a mistake. Follow the instructions on the wiki and it will work. The Freerunner has 2 copies of uBoot, one in NAND and one in NOR. The one in NOR can't be overwritten without the debug board, while the one in NAND can be overwritten using dfu-util. If you manage to overwrite the NAND uBoot with a non-working version you can still use the NOR version to flash a working uBoot into NAND. This is what the instructions mean when they talk about it being for emergencies. I don't think it makes any difference whether you use the NAND or NOR version for flashing kernel and rootfs, but so far I have always used the NOR version and it has always worked. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies
written: Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner in NOR Flash . But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can not be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki? still got my om, but anyway ... i think what it means is the following: while booting into NAND you are accessing the area which is to be flashed -- thus flashing while in NAND will remove the ground under your feet. when in NOR every area possibly to be flashed is guaranteed to be free of any other access than the flash utility. sink of it like sawing off a branch while sitting on a tree -- where would you like to sit? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko availability from the online store
Hi There, First off: Congratulations to the folk who've made openmoko happen and thank you very much :-D I've been wanting one of these devices for a very long time, and now that they are here and among us the time has arrived to purchase one. Only there's a slight snag, the UK distributor truebox state they will only send to the card holders address. Which is all fair enough in terms of combating fraud. Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery. So, in a nutshell, is there any indication as to when the openmoko.com store will be available for order taking? Cheers and well done to all involved. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel ---BeginMessage--- Hallo, Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de: Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs ! (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) ) Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude. Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer Hotline an: 01805-785 783 (DiDo 10-14 Uhr). Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen, Christoph Pulster _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ ---End Message--- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel Please, do not do that again. I nearly had a heart attack. I'm still waiting for a response that Pulster is going to process my order of the Neo Freerunner, (I'm most likely in the batch of July 27th) and I saw your message in the preview gmail window on netvibes, and I nearly died there, thinking that they had started to process my order, and were about to ship. :) Sadly, I still have to wait. :) But don't scare me like that anymore, please? :) Marcel de Jong, The Netherlands (in case you don't know my style of humour, this reply is meant in jest) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko availability from the online store
Mark Sterling wrote: Hi There, First off: Congratulations to the folk who've made openmoko happen and thank you very much :-D I've been wanting one of these devices for a very long time, and now that they are here and among us the time has arrived to purchase one. Only there's a slight snag, the UK distributor truebox state they will only send to the card holders address. Which is all fair enough in terms of combating fraud. Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery. So, in a nutshell, is there any indication as to when the openmoko.com store will be available for order taking? Very soon. We don't want to open our store until FreeRunners are _in_ the warehouse. Right now they are either on a plane or in customs. Seriously close. Harry and Steve will update you all soon with exact details. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the reason... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko @ pulster
he told me too,... http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xxxpx6.png I´m still waiting for this message! Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
What's the reason? the delay? I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster too. On Wed, July 2, 2008 17:19, Roland Häder wrote: On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the reason... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
It seems Pulster is really busy, sorting orders. It is also a probability that he's not going to give any response before he actually has more FRs to ship. I put an order on 25th of June and so far only thing I have is an automatic reply. Patience, my friend. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the reason? the delay? I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster too. On Wed, July 2, 2008 17:19, Roland Häder wrote: On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the reason... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: openmoko availability from the online store, set opening time if not date?
Maybe you guys could set a time that the web store will open, on whatever day it does open? E.g. if it's not open by 10am, it's not going to open that day. That could give everybody a fair shot of getting their orders asap. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:00 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: openmoko availability from the online store Mark Sterling wrote: Hi There, First off: Congratulations to the folk who've made openmoko happen and thank you very much :-D I've been wanting one of these devices for a very long time, and now that they are here and among us the time has arrived to purchase one. Only there's a slight snag, the UK distributor truebox state they will only send to the card holders address. Which is all fair enough in terms of combating fraud. Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery. So, in a nutshell, is there any indication as to when the openmoko.com store will be available for order taking? Very soon. We don't want to open our store until FreeRunners are _in_ the warehouse. Right now they are either on a plane or in customs. Seriously close. Harry and Steve will update you all soon with exact details. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko availability from the online store
On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:11:04PM +0100, Mark Sterling wrote: ... the UK distributor truebox state they will only send to the card holders address. Which is all fair enough in terms of combating fraud. Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery. You should have a word with your credit card company and ask them to add your work address as an additional AVS address. I've done this successfully with all my cards, though I've sometimes had to insist it was possible when the first person at the call centre didn't know how. Incidentally, if this article is to be believed, the 'address' check is surprisingly weak: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7448187.stm Robin. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
Maybe you have to take into account the fact that computations could probably run for much longer on the 11/780 than what could be possible on a battery-powered FreeRunner. But well, as far as I remember, it was also pretty difficult to get the the Vax 11/780 into one's pocket. ;-) Rodolphe Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 16:20 -0400, Ken Young a écrit : Rodolphe Ortalo: Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780 (double precision). The initial version of Mathematica was developed on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than that machine in floating point. It was also rare to run across an 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
Probably not so much effort. But the real challenge imo is: - the UI and the communication between that UI and the backend (scientific-oriented) software - the wise specification of that backend (numerical vs. symbolic vs. both, reusing existing software vs. new thing, simple vs. complex) Personnally, I thought I would be targeting a brand new implementation of some scientific calculator targetted at second-grade students; but given the wonderful (and often much more ambitious) software already existing, I have been wondering for several months if that's not re-inventing the wheel (aka as a dead-end project). Rodolphe Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 22:28 +0200, Francesco Cat a écrit : How much would a Octave port take??? :) 2008/7/1 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rodolphe Ortalo: Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780 (double precision). The initial version of Mathematica was developed on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than that machine in floating point. It was also rare to run across an 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Diego Fdez. Durán wrote: What's the reason? the delay? Nope. That would be fine. Low money. :( I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster too. -- (GNU) PGP ID: 0x4D385570 Weblog: http://blog.mxchange.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
Thanks for the links. I agree the main challenge is the UI. I think there is another challenge in defining the limits of the target implementation and the (not-too-wrong) selection of the appropriate scientific software to reuse. There is plenty of existing implementations to get inspiration from for the UI (all the real scientific calculators everyone used during his own studies); but none of these had the computing power and available mathematical software that modern Unix systems can have readily available. Is it possible (realistic) to have an UI flexible enough to take advantage of all these opportunities? joke Ah, if only the Freerunner was a closed computing device with only one supplier of computational software... /joke Well, maybe we could ask to some real mathematician: do you think a student should have raw access to Matlab+Mathematica+Octave +any-other-thing-you-can-thinkof or should be given a more uniform shell for scientific computations (with its inherent limitations)? Professors would probably say: different software (for different students and different grades). But well, I would certainly try to avoid implementing several UIs... endless-dilemma Sadly, I am both an engineer and a teacher. Argh... /endless-dilemna Rodolphe Le mercredi 02 juillet 2008 à 12:41 +0200, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente a écrit : That's the reason I was posting about XCAS[1], a Computer Algebra System that runs in ARM devices, and the main developer know about programming for restricted resources devices (calculators). The main challenge is the User Interface (hardware and software): - Hardware: keypad? - Software: It must be easy and fast for first time users There are many other options[2], [1] http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/giac.html [2] http://code.google.com/p/sympy/ 2008/7/1, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mathematica would be cool -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodolphe Ortalo Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:16 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: More HW from OpenMoko Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) (In fact, you sort of have already the rpn calculator via dc.) Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current simple calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus the fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely new and porting an existing software). Rodolphe Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit : RPN please. Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP prgrammable calcs ( 12 etc etc) Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator? 2008/6/28, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, Mickey writes: Openmoko is selling hardware products. Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones? That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time ago that non-phone products may be in the pipeline I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router, a SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld. I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already free devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have hardware available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner: Routers - wireless or not: PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html SOHO NAS: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html Gaming handheld: Pandora Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice. The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might just be close enough... I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby, available outside the US. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patience, my friend. I have patience, but not when getting an automated response in frigging German. I'm inches away from ordering somewhere else. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life case design
These kind of devices produce that voltage in direct sunlight - but only if there is no load connected (open circuit voltage) - the connection to the device will pull the voltage down to circ. 5V. This is the same as with the larger panels - a 12V panel will produce 20V open circuit. solar.george On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:34:05 +0200 Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be powered by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: Battery life case design
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 00:04 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán wrote: El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? Personally, I'll be using a Solio Hybrid Charger (http://www.solio.com/charger/) with a Mini-USB tip and a max output of [EMAIL PROTECTED], so it should be able to put out the 500mA the Neo wants for fast charge (I know it can output 500mA because that's what the Blackberry 8830 wants and I have successfully charged one). Even the Hybrid 1000 can output 1.2A but I'm not sure it has enough capacity to fully charge a FreeRunner). -KW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which image
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 12:16 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: The point is - what can we *developers* target for our end users? Without some stability on this image issue, 3rd-party developers are gonna get screwed. There may well be a market for new apps on OpenMoko; but not if there is no way we developers can reliably target bundles for the phone. Depending on exactly what you need, you should be able to develop in just about anything you want. The Openmoko devs have been vocal about the normal Moko firmware having Qt, GTK+, and EFL libraries on it, as well as at LEAST Python as a scripting language (I'm sure there will be more, though I don't know exactly which ones will be stock). If your application needs telephone facilities, or to communicate with the specialized hardware on a FreeRunner or other Moko device, you should target the FSO D-Bus specs (Though those are still in flux). As long as your software is packaged in the OPKG format (Like all Moko software should be), then you should be able to add a Dependency on just about any other package provided in an OpenMoko directory (Though if you're targeting the widest audience, you should probably stick to the main repo(s)). -KW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us impact the material world
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 12:24 -0500, Nelson Castillo wrote: Doesn't IM requiere permanent connection? For status updates, etc? Not necessarily. A lot of us used IM back in the old dial-up days. I've done a lot of thinking on this subject over the last several years and tried several systems with my existing phone and GPRS connection. If the IM protocol in use (I'm thinking XMPP) supports offline storage, distributed servers, and connection encryption, and preferably a robust message delivery system (e.g. requiring an ack for messages sent) then it should be usable, provided the phone has a data connection. It could/would shorten battery runtime keeping the GPRS up all the time, but a lot of that depends on other power-saving in the device. If the user has very limited data connection (e.g. only WWW (Port 80), and MAIL (Ports 25, 110, 143, 587, 993) then a proxy of some kind would be necessary. The proxy would need to maintain the user's login to the IM network and provide storage of messages sent by the client program (running on the phone). For those with no data connections, something involving SMS (And eventually MMS if/when it's ever ported) would need to be created. A lot of provider IM programs (At least the ones I've used) rely on SMS to transport messages to/from the phone. I'd like to know what you think about two things: 1) We know email is broken (at least unsafe and prone to spam) 2) What is the best alternative for this scenario? Is it really IM? 3) Are there other (IP-based) protocolos suitable for delivering the encrypted messages? Honestly, for the usage pattern I reckon most people will use (based on my existing usage of SMS and the various people who I correspond with), SMS is just phone-based IM, so extending real IM to the phone, especially with an extensible format like XMPP can be a real boon. E-mail is still (IMHO) a bit heavy (More than 1k in headers to deliver a one-line message). I don't remember right now if XMPP provides for a compressed transport, but I do know that by default it encrypts the connection. -KW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us impact the material world
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 20:54 +0800, xiangfu wrote: may be can use SMS control the remote NEO like send #neo_command shutdown -h now then the neo poweroff : ) Something like this has been floating around the mailing list for months (or more) now. Personally, I'm hoping that the SMS stack in FSO will allow plugins to filter incoming SMS messages and provide a secure(ish) functionality for something like this. -KW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
Rodolphe Ortalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: do you think a student should have raw access to Matlab+Mathematica+Octave +any-other-thing-you-can-thinkof I'm an engineering student and I've been looking everywhere for a calculator with a bigger screen and better dot pitch with colors and being able to tilt the screen or attach a usb screen so I don't have to lean forward and get neck injuries. There is a free project out there aiming to produce a free hardware calculator. The big problem is that even if I found one, I might not be able to use it, because a calculator has to be certified by the state. It's really not good to use one calculator for working, then have to use a normal crappy calculator for exams. It's a problem to think of, if we're putting r and octave into a device marketed as a calculator. There's definitely a market, though, cause all calculators on the market are so damn crappy, it's a joke. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner in Taiwan
Thanks, Tried to contact Harry by email, but he's too busy :) I won't have reliable internet connection in .tw (not to say none) so may I call OM/FIC's office when I am in Taiwan? Thanks On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xming wrote: Hi all, I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a freerunner there. Does anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the source :) Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we have any left. Ask Harry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Nokia internet tablet tech talk Fwd: ACCU: Wednesday, July 9 - Tapio Tolvanen and Victor Brilon, Architectural introduction to Nokia's Maemo platform
May be useful for those in the San Francisco Bay Area - Forwarded message from Ali Cehreli [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:52:58 -0700 From: Ali Cehreli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ACCU: Wednesday, July 9 - Tapio Tolvanen and Victor Brilon, Architectural introduction to Nokia's Maemo platform To: Ali Cehreli [EMAIL PROTECTED] When: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 Topic: Architectural introduction to Nokia's Maemo platform Speakers: Tapio Tolvanen and Victor Brilon Time: 6:30pm doors open 7:00pm meeting begins Where: Symantec VCAFE building 350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road) Mountain View, CA 94043 Map: http://tinyurl.com/334rv5 Directions: VCAFE is accessible from the semicircular courtyard between Symantec buildings http://tinyurl.com/2dccgc Cost: Free More Info: http://www.accu-usa.org In this presentation, you will learn about the Nokia Internet tablets both from a hardware and software perspective. Explore the devices, applications and communities, hear the features and study the architecture of the operating system and hardware configuration. Also discover the essentials of the application development platform, ranging from application frameworks to development tools. Tapio Tolvanen is currently a Technology Manager for Linux Computers in Nokia. He has also been defining architectures and guiding the development of several applications creating engaging and compelling Internet Experience on Nokia's Linux platform - Maemo. Prior to this, Tapio has been developing several applications and products on Nokia's platforms, including Series 40, S60 and Maemo in Europe, Asia and the U.S.A. Victor Brilon is a Senior Product Manager working with Linux devices in Nokia. He is responsible for strategic technology collaborative efforts on the Linux platform with external partners. Victor has over 15 years of experience in working with emerging technologies, including wireless applications and Open Source software. Previous to Nokia, he was an entrepreneur and the co-founder of the largest wireless developer Web property. Earlier, Victor was a Senior Consultant Systems Engineer at EDS, where he led an engineering team in developing innovative Internet-based technologies and practices. Upcoming ACCU talks - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 Speaker TBA Topic TBA Wednesday, September 10, 2008 Bryan O'Sullivan Haskell for the Real World The ACCU meets monthly. Meetings are always open to the public and are free of charge. To suggest topics and speakers please email Walter Vannini via [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko availability from the online store
If any of you are not buying from TrueBox ONLY because we cannot deliver to an alternate address can you email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let me know. Rob Robin O'Leary wrote: On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:11:04PM +0100, Mark Sterling wrote: ... the UK distributor truebox state they will only send to the card holders address. Which is all fair enough in terms of combating fraud. Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery. You should have a word with your credit card company and ask them to add your work address as an additional AVS address. I've done this successfully with all my cards, though I've sometimes had to insist it was possible when the first person at the call centre didn't know how. Incidentally, if this article is to be believed, the 'address' check is surprisingly weak: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7448187.stm Robin. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Rob Wood TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 5083397 F: 0709 2117048 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies
Thank you arne and Alastair, I got it. I didn't know that I can flash the NAND when beeing in NOR. All the best, Michael On Wednesday 02 July 2008 15:35:55 arne anka wrote: written: Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner in NOR Flash . But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can not be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki? still got my om, but anyway ... i think what it means is the following: while booting into NAND you are accessing the area which is to be flashed -- thus flashing while in NAND will remove the ground under your feet. when in NOR every area possibly to be flashed is guaranteed to be free of any other access than the flash utility. sink of it like sawing off a branch while sitting on a tree -- where would you like to sit? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko availability from the online store, set opening time if not date?
2008/7/2 Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe you guys could set a time that the web store will open, on whatever day it does open? E.g. if it's not open by 10am, it's not going to open that day. That could give everybody a fair shot of getting their orders asap. Matt Or at least don't bother checking for the next ten hours/three days/whatever. Information ish good. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01
Hi all, I just answered a call on my neo1973 after 21 hours of running FSO. I had the neo in suspend mode most of the time. From hour 13 on I woke the neo up hourly by calling from land line and put it back into suspend manually (double press power button) after hanging up on the caller side without answering the call. There where 3.5V left in the battery after the last call (measured by multimeter on the battery). Compared to what I was used to so far this is an amazing improvement. Congratulations, FSO developers, for the excellent work ! Up till now I was believing a hardware bug was responsible for fast battery drainage and keeping GTA01 from delivering an acceptable uptime. Cheers, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards form same provider there is no problem. and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too. i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card? Thank you, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01
Hi Marc, This is great news! Just to confirm the latest with the FSO image, when I looked at the youtube video demo'ing the interface last it was only capable of making/receiving calls - is this still the case? Thanks, Tim On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 23:42 +0200, Marc Bantle wrote: Hi all, I just answered a call on my neo1973 after 21 hours of running FSO. I had the neo in suspend mode most of the time. From hour 13 on I woke the neo up hourly by calling from land line and put it back into suspend manually (double press power button) after hanging up on the caller side without answering the call. There where 3.5V left in the battery after the last call (measured by multimeter on the battery). Compared to what I was used to so far this is an amazing improvement. Congratulations, FSO developers, for the excellent work ! Up till now I was believing a hardware bug was responsible for fast battery drainage and keeping GTA01 from delivering an acceptable uptime. Cheers, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group Sale in Spain
Hello to all the Spanish guys in the mailing list. I received some mails from other guys interested in the FreeRunner asking questions about it. The most popular is: it's going to be translated to Spanish? or the other one (in all the places): How much is the battery life? :D I'm asking that question, because in the GroupSales in the wiki, we are some of us that want a FreeRunner and we didn't send e-mail to each other to asking the method, address, meeting for the receivement, the organization, and maybe with more people interested in the Freerunner, bought somo of thems and keep in Spain to cheaper taxes and delivery costs. I Hope to see any response (from spanish guys) Waiting your comments, -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01
Thanks for the experiment, Marc! Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course. With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the cpufreq patches, I'd expect even more. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group sale in Poland.
It's the last call to sign in! If you're from Poland and want a FreeRunner - join us at http://www.kumulator.pl/show/10 Right now we're going to order ~60 phones and the order will be placed (most probably) at Thursday (yes - that means today!)! :-) Hurry up! Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01
Hi Michael, On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:19 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Thanks for the experiment, Marc! Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course. With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the cpufreq patches, I'd expect even more. Does this mean we can expect similar battery life gains from the 'other' images? Thanks again, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01
Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 00:31:21 schrieb Tim Knapp: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:19 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Thanks for the experiment, Marc! Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course. With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the cpufreq patches, I'd expect even more. Does this mean we can expect similar battery life gains from the 'other' images? For now, yes, I would expect so, since we are not doing any special things in the FSO-image -- yet :) (After the next couple of feature-release milestones, we're going to take going to strip init down to only run services that are actually in use, which should also have a nice impact on battery live). -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FYI: ATT to sell iPhone without contract
No... True... This only gets it cheaper... The hack is on you, but this makes it legal to hack the device due to a special exception to the DMCA allowing the hacking of phones to allow use with compatible carriers after the original terms of contract were satisfied - In this case the paying of the early termination fee. Get your $599 iPhone for $430-ish and come over to T-Mobile - the water is fine. On 7/2/08, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:12:15 +0200, Joshua Broussard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a 2 year and cancel it the 31st day. The $175 from this and $35 for activation saves you $190 if you buy sans contract. Well a little less if you count the cost of service... If you must have the iPhone, get it in the way that you will get less screwed... This still won't get the phone unlocked. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Some questions
Hey all, The credit card is burning my fingers... but a few queries first. Can the user data on the phone be backed up (and restored) before changing or upgrading firmware? I assume it's like all other phones I've had where everything is blitzed during an upgrade. I guess maybe it's just a few rsync commands, but I'd like to make sure :-) I see some chatter about A2DP Bluetooth support. I take it that it's working fine now? Is there, or will there be, the ability to sync with iCal services or XMLRPC services? And also, is syncing SMS data to a PC possible? Uuurm, I'm sure there was something else to ask, but I've forgotten :-( All I really care about is my data, hence the replication and duplication of it Cheers Kyle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Hi Arne, Who is your network provider? Where are you located? Michael? Arne Zachlod wrote: Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards form same provider there is no problem. and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too. i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card? Thank you, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life case design
Am Di 1. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while some company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02 thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02. Looking at it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack. Don't forget there is WiFi and BT antenna on the backside, which you mustn't cover by a big battery. GPS at top of device is no problem though, I think, as long as it has it's 5mm clearance to next metal (the ceramic zone). cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
I've used my 3G card from ATT just fine. -id Arne Zachlod wrote: Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards form same provider there is no problem. and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too. i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card? Thank you, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life case design
Am Mi 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Francesco Cat: FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. Nope, FR sets MAXIMUM USB current to either 0.1, 0.5, or 1A depending on what's detected to be connected. This doesn't mean it won't work with 600mA. Either you set FR to 500mA and lose ~100mA of power source, or you figure out what's going to happen when we push the limit to 1A and power source goes down with voltage at ~600mA until FR doesn't pull any more than that, might work too. At least see wallcharger that CAN deliver 2A, but happily feeds FR with just 1A. So yes, it will be powered by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. You can set arbitrary USB current limits by software, overriding the built-in detection. So a current limit of 250mA or 630mA is perfectly feasible I think. See spec of PCF50633 PMU. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... YEP! You'll need a LDO-regulator for 5V. 6.5V will burn the device and give you a very expensive yet exclusive doorstopper. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group Sale: Los Angeles
A user named Bill Sun listed themselves on the GroupSales wiki page for Los Angeles (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Los_Angeles) but hasn't configured the wiki to allow me to contact them through the wiki. If that person is still on the list here and can contact me, that'd be great. We also have one slot left (or two if we don't hear from Bill Sun) to get an exact order of 10 Freerunners. I'll be sending an Email tonight to coordinate the group and discuss payment options, etc. Ian Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner in Taiwan
Ya, crazy busy..when will you be Taiwan? Harry xming ??: Thanks, Tried to contact Harry by email, but he's too busy :) I won't have reliable internet connection in .tw (not to say none) so may I call OM/FIC's office when I am in Taiwan? Thanks On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xming wrote: Hi all, I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a freerunner there. Does anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the source :) Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we have any left. Ask Harry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is there any truth to the rumor
http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/ Inquiring geek minds want to know... :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
not being able to use Skype is a big problem
Hey guys, I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo? Cheers, Forrest -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/ got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far... Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner Marcel schrieb: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel Betreff: Re: Bestellung openmoko Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster) Datum: 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallo, Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de: Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs ! (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) ) Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude. Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer Hotline an: 01805-785 783 (DiDo 10-14 Uhr). Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen, Christoph Pulster _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hey guys, I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo? you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the n8xx? skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about being open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want to somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work on OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously doubt, is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there are plenty of open alternatives. :) Cheers, Forrest -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ...there are plenty of open alternatives. :) On that note, has anyone been able to run any open voip software running on the FR? -Greg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
I don't think one can run Skype for N8xx on Neo coz the CPU instruction set is different. I am not sure whether TI OMAP, the CPU used in N8xx, uses ARM instruction set. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hey guys, I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo? you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the n8xx? skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about being open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want to somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work on OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously doubt, is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there are plenty of open alternatives. :) Cheers, Forrest -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
Am Do 3. Juli 2008 schrieb Greg Bonett: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ...there are plenty of open alternatives. :) On that note, has anyone been able to run any open voip software running on the FR? You might try to crosscompile twinklephone.com. When stripping out (by make-option) the KDE and QT stuff, and building a mere cmdline version, it should be pretty platform independent. commenting out the libboost-regex stuff will save you a lot of cumbersome library porting (heard building the whole Boost lib takes a scary xGB of diskspace :-o ) - I think it's only needed for the number-converting function, which you can easily live without for the first. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims to interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc). hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just may be a LOT of work. I don't think one can run Skype for N8xx on Neo coz the CPU instruction set is different. I am not sure whether TI OMAP, the CPU used in N8xx, uses ARM instruction set. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hey guys, I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo? you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the n8xx? skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about being open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want to somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work on OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously doubt, is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there are plenty of open alternatives. :) Cheers, Forrest -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
Could this hackery mean that Android is a possibility? -Nick Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims to interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc). hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just may be a LOT of work. I don't think one can run Skype for N8xx on Neo coz the CPU instruction set is different. I am not sure whether TI OMAP, the CPU used in N8xx, uses ARM instruction set. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hey guys, I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo? you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the n8xx? skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about being open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want to somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work on OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously doubt, is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there are plenty of open alternatives. :) Cheers, Forrest -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
Am Do 3. Juli 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims to interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc). hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just may be a LOT of work. Forget about editing skype-binaries - they're encrypted (p.8) and hashsum-checked (p.14 of [1]). I tried to edit a simple alsa-device definition :-(, then some months later I've seen this: [1]http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf Should cure any interest in skype :D also see p.64 p.114 /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 05:07:53 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Do 3. Juli 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims to interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc). hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just may be a LOT of work. Forget about editing skype-binaries - they're encrypted (p.8) and hashsum-checked (p.14 of [1]). that comes under the it'll be a lot of work banner. you'll have to reverse their encryption and basically hack through it all. it can be done.. might take a while though (while can be anywhere from a few days to a few thousand years or more... who knows... :)). :) I tried to edit a simple alsa-device definition :-(, then some months later I've seen this: [1] http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf Should cure any interest in skype :D also see p.64 p.114 /jOERG -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Alarm clock dials your contacts if you refuse to wake up
This needs attention for the FR ;-) http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/tyrant-alarm-clock-dials-your-contacts-if-you-refuse-to-wake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:03:59 +0100 Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, The credit card is burning my fingers... but a few queries first. Can the user data on the phone be backed up (and restored) before changing or upgrading firmware? I assume it's like all other phones I've had where everything is blitzed during an upgrade. I guess maybe it's just a few rsync commands, but I'd like to make sure :-) Yeah, afaik the data is represented as in a typical Linux system, files in a folder in your home folder. Just copy it somewhere and you've got a backup. I see some chatter about A2DP Bluetooth support. I take it that it's working fine now? Also afaik, the hardware supports it but there hasn't been anything done with the bluetooth stack yet. I might be wrong on this one but there are things higher prioority then that for now. You can expect it in a month by my rough estimate : ). Is there, or will there be, the ability to sync with iCal services or XMLRPC services? And also, is syncing SMS data to a PC possible? Yeah, why not. It's all software you know and someone is bound to do it. Uuurm, I'm sure there was something else to ask, but I've forgotten :-( All I really care about is my data, hence the replication and duplication of it Cheers Kyle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims to interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc). hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just may be a LOT of work. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 12:27 +1000, nickd wrote: Could this hackery mean that Android is a possibility? -Nick hacking android to run was tried, without too much luck, as mentioned at http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 getting back to skype, i don't see why anyone would really want or need it. there are plenty of other voip clients such as ekiga. gizmo may also be an option on the freerunner. someone else was working on a voip client specifically for the FreeRunner, but I can't remember who at the moment. -jeremiah ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Hi Michael, my network provider is e-plus and i'm located in germany. Arne Michael Shiloh schrieb: Hi Arne, Who is your network provider? Where are you located? Michael? Arne Zachlod wrote: Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards form same provider there is no problem. and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too. i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card? Thank you, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing testing and will ship the devices later. Michael Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim: my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/ got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far... Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner Marcel schrieb: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel Betreff: Re: Bestellung openmoko Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster) Datum: 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallo, Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de: Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs ! (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) ) Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude. Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer Hotline an: 01805-785 783 (DiDo 10-14 Uhr). Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen, Christoph Pulster _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any truth to the rumor
Jon Pomeroy schrieb: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/ Inquiring geek minds want to know... :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community yes i get mine today or tomorrow depending on how fast the post is ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
