Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-14 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Michael Shiloh wrote: The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply

Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-14 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Ben Wilson: So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing (and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging? No reports so far. Seems we fixed that ;-) /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-14 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next

Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-14 Thread Jim Morris
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile. However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
Hello, I've only had my freerunner for a week or so, so I'm not too into the security aspects yet. One thing I did notice was of course passwordless root login. Now over usb this can be acceptable, but if this is possible over wifi (I haven't actually tested), it needs the firewall / make it

Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

2008-07-14 Thread Lorn Potter
Thomas B. wrote: Hi! On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 06:48:41AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: Plugging a Freerunner up via USB to a Debian system while running this image doesn't appear to charge. Is this a purely visual thing, or is Qtopia unable to charge a Freerunner? I'm assuming

Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

2008-07-14 Thread Lorn Potter
Thomas B. wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:16:01PM +0200, Thomas B. wrote: I have a slightly different problem: The battery does get charged, but the screen doesn't dim or get switched off, although I told it to do that in the settings. That's a bit annoying, and it's probably not very

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On 7/14/08, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've only had my freerunner for a week or so, so I'm not too into the security aspects yet. One thing I did notice was of course passwordless root login. Now over usb this can be acceptable, but if this is possible over wifi (I

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/7/13 BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Feeding assist data to compensate bad hardware based reception is no real solution, since there are some FRs, which seem not to have any problems to get a fast fix at all. My personal current belief is that those FRs are generally no better than eg.

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On 7/14/08, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/13 BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Feeding assist data to compensate bad hardware based reception is no real solution, since there are some FRs, which seem not to have any problems to get a fast fix at all. My personal current

Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

2008-07-14 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 13.07.2008, 20:05 +0200 schrieb smurfy - phil: Hey, i'm really new to the bitbaker stuff :) i also noticed, that after some new build of the app it wants to download gtk+ and fails. i really don't know why this happens. if you do a removal of the gtk+-fastscaling and

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Kärkkäinen
thomasg kirjoitti: This all are no arguments. With my TomTom device I can do a full reset so that no GPS data is available at all (also no time and so on) and still get a fix in 3 minutes at 100 km/h. In my past life I developed a fleet management device that had GPS and GSM in it, able

Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

2008-07-14 Thread smurfy - phil
Ok, after some test, i guess i missed something, or my o2 buggs, i receive no new cellbroadcast after leaving my homezone. currently i only receive cellbroadcasts after reregiserting to the network. so there must be another variable to use to detect the homezone. maybe the locationarea code.

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
Personally, I'd be more interested in an encrypted filesystem so that I what use is encryption if the user always is root and no password is required? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

2008-07-14 Thread smurfy - phil
Do you observe the same problem? And (now to anyone): Is there a way to disable wake-up on Cell Broadcasts, if that turns out to be the problem? i have the problem that i don't receive more than one cell broadcast after registering with the network. homezoned sets cellboadcasts to ON, i don't

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Kai Römer
again: its not a software issue. This chip should work out of the box. 39 s to fix with good antenna is possible on my dev board, without any agps or anything. 2008/7/14 Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/7/13 BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Feeding assist data to compensate bad hardware based

Re: Jalimo fails to install on freerunner gta02

2008-07-14 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi, Jim Morris schrieb: Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, yes this is a know issue with the packages in our repo. Sorry, I had no time to fix this yet. Btw: cacao + classpath should be in the official repos as well. So there is no need to add the Jalimo repos any more. Thanks, also in the

Re: [OpenMoko] qemu win32 emulator

2008-07-14 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi, what you want is a binary of QEMU + OpenMoko's patches for it. If the links do not work try to get in contact with the people who distributed them first. AFIU the OpenMoko project is mostly about doing things from source so it should be possible to compile QEMU + patches under Windows and/or

Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
Obviously, you use O2 as well. Some other Freephone and O2 user had observed regular wake-ups from the sleep mode, which obviously kills the battery time, and we thought that the O2 cell broadcasts might cause these wakeups. I haven’t had my phone long enough myself to really test this.

Claws Mail

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Kluge
Hi all, did anyone succeed in building this package? I only got libtinymail tmut compiled packed up to now. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Claws Mail

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
did anyone succeed in building this package? I only got libtinymail tmut compiled packed up to now. yupp. got it built and running. will load it up to ginguppin.de tonight (note to self: learn how to create a feed) ___ Openmoko community mailing

Re: Claws Mail

2008-07-14 Thread Joachim Steiger
arne anka wrote: did anyone succeed in building this package? I only got libtinymail tmut compiled packed up to now. yupp. got it built and running. will load it up to ginguppin.de tonight (note to self: learn how to create a feed) ___

Re: [OpenMoko] qemu win32 emulator

2008-07-14 Thread Yocto
Hi, I did svn checkout the qemu-neo1973 and was following manual setup on the wiki. But I bumped into the SDL requirement, etc... Thanks to Yorick Moko who provided a link to his pre-built binaries. I was able to get a quick first look feel of the openmoko projet. Even if that build was over

Re: GPS issue

2008-07-14 Thread Pawel Kowalak
On Jul 13, 2008, at 11:32 AM, jonathan spooner wrote: Also there is a fair bit of drift on my position. Using the plot feature in agps it looks like I'm walking all over my garden while the gta02 is sat on the table at times. As far as I know, that drift is quite normal. If you leave GPS

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread BlueStar88
Russell Sears schrieb: That sounds like a different problem than I have. People have reported many different failure modes: - Everything works. The phone gets a reliable fix in ~5-15 minutes if you baby it enough. (This might be improved w/ better drivers...) The GPS-module talks NMEA

Hampshire group buy

2008-07-14 Thread Hugo Mills
All - It seems that the 900MHz version of the phone won't be available from the OM shop for at least a couple of weeks (see [1]). However, Pulster are now selling 10 packs for EUR 2990, including taxes and shipping. This works out at about UKP 240 a phone -- probably a little more

Re: Hampshire group buy

2008-07-14 Thread Joseph Reeves
We have a number of FreeRunners in Oxford ready to be dispatched as either group buys or individual purchases [1]. Unfortunately we don't have a payment system arranged yet, but that should be coming in the near future. Initial pricing is £200 + VAT + Postage. The FreeRunner neoprene pouch and

Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Andreas Dalsgaard
2008/7/12 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 11 July 2008, Kalle Happonen wrote: Hi, Brian C wrote: Brian C wrote: [a long error message because he didn't run the script from the OM terminal] Ok, so the script runs now that I realize it must be run from the OM terminal. It

GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Ken Young
thomasg wrote: This all are no arguments. With my TomTom device I can do a full reset so that no GPS data is available at all (also no time and so on) and still get a fix in 3 minutes at 100 km/h. Well, I know the freerunner is no specialized gps navigation device, but the fact that

RE: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Crane, Matthew
How would being root help somebody decrypt a filesystem? Accessing an encrypted filesystem should depend only on having the correct key. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 AM To: List for Openmoko

Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
Andreas Dalsgaard wrote: 2008/7/12 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 11 July 2008, Kalle Happonen wrote: Hi, Brian C wrote: Brian C wrote: [a long error message because he didn't run the script from the OM terminal] Ok, so the script runs now that I realize it

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 14 July 2008, BlueStar88 wrote: Russell Sears schrieb: That sounds like a different problem than I have. People have reported many different failure modes: - Everything works. The phone gets a reliable fix in ~5-15 minutes if you baby it enough. (This might be improved

Re: Claws Mail

2008-07-14 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 14 July 2008, Joachim Steiger wrote: arne anka wrote: did anyone succeed in building this package? I only got libtinymail tmut compiled packed up to now. yupp. got it built and running. will load it up to ginguppin.de tonight (note to self: learn how to create a feed)

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Kalle Kärkkäinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my past life I developed a fleet management device that had GPS and GSM in it, able to send the fix data to server in intervals. we even implemented some location alerts (around the vicinity of, or near

Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Roland Mas
Andreas Dalsgaard, 2008-07-14 14:01:07 +0200 : [...] Take a quick look at the attached import_contacts.py script, it is based on Al Johnson modification to Wurps script. Please pardon my intruding into a thread, I just subscribed to the list. I have also worked on contacts management, mostly

Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Roland Mas
Roland Mas, 2008-07-14 15:09:34 +0200 : - you can dump all contacts to a file (a series of concatenated vcards); Forgot to mention: that feature uses a gross hack, I'd be happy to see it cleaned up. I just didn't manage to find the query syntax for the getContactList() method. Roland. --

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
How would being root help somebody decrypt a filesystem? Accessing an encrypted filesystem should depend only on having the correct key. well, to be really usefull the fs should be mounted transparently (hacking in the passphrase on every access seems utterly tedious with that tiny

Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread smurfy - phil
Please update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts with your new versions, if you need space i could place it @my domain (like my first version :D) Phil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
thomasg wrote: On 7/14/08, *Kalle Happonen* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've only had my freerunner for a week or so, so I'm not too into the security aspects yet. One thing I did notice was of course passwordless root login. Now over usb

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Yorick Moko
two small questions: 1) is there ANYBODY who has a freerunner with a normal functioning GPS? 2) We must presume openmoko tested the GPS before starting the mass production. The GPS of those devices must have worked, no? On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:05 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon,

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
arne anka wrote: How would being root help somebody decrypt a filesystem? Accessing an encrypted filesystem should depend only on having the correct key. well, to be really usefull the fs should be mounted transparently (hacking in the passphrase on every access seems utterly tedious

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
wouldn't think it's too much. How often do you reboot the phone? with a battery uptime of about 8h -- at least once a day, because the fr usually silently shuts down. on weekends more frequently because i play around and something crashes or so.

Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Roland Mas
smurfy - phil, 2008-07-14 15:30:22 +0200 : Please update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts with your new versions, if you need space i could place it @my domain (like my first version :D) Space isn't a problem (I uploaded the script to [1]), but I'm reluctant to create yet

RE: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Crane, Matthew
Once the device is powered, and the correct key entered, I would expect it would remain in memory until the phone is powered off. Parnoid types would of course disable network access. Nearly all phones have a secured access mode, where you enter a pin every time you access the phone. That's

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
arne anka wrote: wouldn't think it's too much. How often do you reboot the phone? with a battery uptime of about 8h -- at least once a day, because the fr usually silently shuts down. on weekends more frequently because i play around and something crashes or so. Well, this

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Tilman Baumann
Paul Jimenez wrote: Alex Oberhauser wrote: Bumbl wrote: It would be more important to not run everything as root I think This will be also a main focus. When we receive the Freerunners, we will see how fast we can change this bad state. Personally, I'd be more interested in

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Tilman Baumann
Kalle Happonen wrote: However, later on an easily configurable firewall would be almost essential imho. Connecting to the phone (any port) over the wifi should (almost?)never be allowed as default. Even if the point with the phone is that users can do what they want, it doesn't mean that

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
Tilman Baumann wrote: Paul Jimenez wrote: Alex Oberhauser wrote: Bumbl wrote: It would be more important to not run everything as root I think This will be also a main focus. When we receive the Freerunners, we will see how fast we can change this bad

RE: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Crane, Matthew
I would think on a phone the primary concern is protecting the user data. E.g. sms, contacts, history. If somebody was able to malicously install software on the phone, your pretty much already [EMAIL PROTECTED]'ed. Not letting it call out helps, but it's already defeated. I'm assuming

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Jan de Haan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there are places where you can get SIM cards with built in encyption/decryption keys, and a certificate (PKI). I agree. Would you care to elaborate (link)? Sincerely, Jan.

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What an insult! *slap* :P. No I'm not a windows user. and I can set the root password on my device, but defaults matter. And they matter a lot if openmoko will become more mass-market. A firewall migth be a bit heavy, I

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:08 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to give my 2 Eurocents to the everything as root discusion. Running user apps as root must end, better soon. what exactly speaks against creating a regular user? did anyone try it already? and where exactly is root as

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
Jan de Haan wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there are places where you can get SIM cards with built in encyption/decryption keys, and a certificate (PKI). I agree. Would you care to elaborate (link)? Sincerely, Sure, the

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-14 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Ah -- thanks for the clarification! How does 'running' microwave/hair drier/coffee-grinder affects it? :-) may be some obvious EM noise source like that could create an easily reproducible and controllable environment for troubleshooting/comparison to the reference phone at hands. On Mon, 14 Jul

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/7/14 thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This all are no arguments. With my TomTom device I can do a full reset so that no GPS data is available at all (also no time and so on) and still get a fix in 3 minutes at 100 km/h. Ok, I don't claim my guess would be truth, I'm just guessing. Is it so

Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-14 Thread Steven **
The battery can delivery more power than the AC USB adapter? -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Tilman Baumann
Kalle Happonen wrote: Jan de Haan wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there are places where you can get SIM cards with built in encyption/decryption keys, and a certificate (PKI). I agree. Would you care to elaborate (link)?

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: arne anka wrote: wouldn't think it's too much. How often do you reboot the phone? with a battery uptime of about 8h -- at least once a day, because the fr usually silently shuts down. on weekends more frequently

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
Tilman Baumann wrote: Kalle Happonen wrote: Jan de Haan wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there are places where you can get SIM cards with built in encyption/decryption keys, and a certificate (PKI). I

Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-14 Thread Al Johnson
The phone can't take 100mA from USB without asking, and the PMU enforces this. The AC PSU can supply more than this, as can most USB ports, but at this stage of the process the checks to see if this is available can't be done so we're limited to 100mA. When the old uBoot powered up the assorted

Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

2008-07-14 Thread Kai Stian Olstad
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone knows how to get a real battery status on the freerunner I can fix this up. I only know of /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status. Maybe that helps? not on my devices: [EMAIL

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
thomasg wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you can create another user, as you are used to on any unix system. It just doesn't ship with one because the distro comes in ready-to-deploy

Re: warranty issues

2008-07-14 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 7/12/08 simarillion wrote: can somebody tell me if I will lose my warranty when I open my Freerunner. Hehe...do you really think we could get away with that kind of policy?! This is Openmoko. If you /don't/ open your Neo, you should probably have your warranty voided ;-) -Sean

Segmentation fault trying to use opkg update

2008-07-14 Thread Juan Otero
Hi i don't know if the right place to post this. well, i'm triying update neo and i get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg update Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz 100%

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Jay Vaughan
The module talks NMEA but also a ublox binary format. Among other things this allows time and location estimates, ephemeris and almanac data to be fed to the module to give it an initial state, and should reduce time to first fix. Likewise it can be used to request this data from the

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Jay Vaughan
I've only had my freerunner for a week or so, so I'm not too into the security aspects yet. One thing I did notice was of course passwordless root login. Now over usb this can be acceptable, but if this is possible over wifi (I haven't actually tested), it needs the firewall / make it

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thomasg wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you can create another user, as you are used to on any unix system. It

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Kalle Happonen
thomasg wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What an insult! *slap* :P. No I'm not a windows user. and I can set the root password on my device, but defaults matter. And they matter a lot if openmoko

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The module talks NMEA but also a ublox binary format. Among other things this allows time and location estimates, ephemeris and almanac data to be fed to the module to give it an initial state, and should reduce time

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thomasg wrote: This all are no arguments. With my TomTom device I can do a full reset so that no GPS data is available at all (also no time and so on) and still get a fix in 3 minutes at 100 km/h. Well, I know the

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread C R McClenaghan
This will be my 3rd GPS device in ~5 years. The first two - a NAVMAN from New Zealand and a Garmin - always had exceedingly long cold starts (i.e. turn the device off, fly 1500 km, turn device on), on the order of 10 minutes. I still have the Garmin in working condition, it is the Garmin

When does it suspend?

2008-07-14 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Montag, den 14.07.2008, 11:20 +0200 schrieb arne anka: experienced that (no o2 user!) with power management set to dim first, then lock. after switching to dim only, don't lock i didn't see it anymore -- but the fr still locks ... speaking of suspend mode: When is the Freerunner

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread C R McClenaghan
What is meant by cold start? Is this simply a power off and power back on? Or is it the power cycle and no previous fix data for current location? With other GPS devices, until that first location fix was achieved, nothing happened, but once achieved and no significant change in geography,

Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Tilman Baumann
Kalle Happonen wrote: Well, off topic... Congrats Finland. ;) Well it looks cool, but in practice... there's maybe 1 service that accepts these.. maybe. And the operators are clueless about it. I agree, it's great to have this infrastructure, but without services, it's just a virtual

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
So we just need to wrap 'save' and 'restore' scripts around the gpsd script? Basically yes, but this won't fix the problem. It's for later when the what exactly is the gpsd for, anyway? looking at my fr yesterday i noticed it is not installed anymore, if it ever was, that is, (and not

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Yorick Moko
with cold start they mean no previous data: no information about satellites, location or time since the GPS chip itself does not have any memory, currently a power off - power on always results in a cold start (there is however some work being done to overcome this, but I don't know if it is

RE: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-07-14 Thread Crane, Matthew
There's apps that do this, like kdewallet. I was thinking of a picture pin entry. You display a small set of pictures with lots of detail, user must tap 1 or more points on each pictures. Quick entry, good number of bits of encryption, easy to remeber. Plus, when the phone comes up with

Re: When does it suspend?

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
speaking of suspend mode: When is the Freerunner supposed to suspend automatically? After a certain time with the Lock Screen active, or after a certain time with no user input? the latter, i think. Note that the latter causes problems when there is constant random „input“ (Freerunner in

Re: warranty issues

2008-07-14 Thread ian douglas
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: This is Openmoko. If you /don't/ open your Neo, you should probably have your warranty voided ;-) Wow, second best quote I've ever seen on this list. The first being back in early May... Andy Powell wrote: Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 14 July 2008, arne anka wrote: So we just need to wrap 'save' and 'restore' scripts around the gpsd script? Basically yes, but this won't fix the problem. It's for later when the what exactly is the gpsd for, anyway? looking at my fr yesterday i noticed it is not installed

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we just need to wrap 'save' and 'restore' scripts around the gpsd script? Basically yes, but this won't fix the problem. It's for later when the what exactly is the gpsd for, anyway? looking at my fr yesterday i

Re: When does it suspend?

2008-07-14 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Montag, den 14.07.2008, 18:47 +0200 schrieb arne anka: speaking of suspend mode: When is the Freerunner supposed to suspend automatically? After a certain time with the Lock Screen active, or after a certain time with no user input? the latter, i think. Note that the latter

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Kluge
Today I powered up my gps the first time and got a fix after 80 seconds. I was on a hill in a small village outside in a garden under a apple tree and the Freerunner was standing upright. Then I rebooted it and got an other fix in 80 seconds again. I've been using agps-gui. Much better than I

Anyone in NYC with an extra Freerunner?

2008-07-14 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Hello, So I missed my chance to get a Freerunner, and they won't take my credit cards. But on my flight back to Cape Town Delta screwed up and I missed my flight, so now I'm staying at my uncles place. Does anyone near New York City or within 120km of Trumbull, CT have a Freerunner that they would

Re: When does it suspend?

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
right? And is there a way to manually put the Freerunner to screen? put to screen? sorry, put to sleep or put to suspend – too many s-words in my mind at the same time :-) power menu has a lock display entry -- might send the fr to bed. else, maybe somewhere below /sys/ ... Also, when

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
Today I powered up my gps the first time and got a fix after 80 seconds. I was on a hill in a small village outside in a garden under a apple tree and the Freerunner was standing upright. Then I rebooted it and got an other fix in 80 seconds again. I've been using agps-gui. Much better than I

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Yorick Moko
maybe we just need more people testing it under an apple tree? has Openmoko remembered to put in the magic GPS apple seeds? seriously: somebody dissect the freerunner of michael :) On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I powered up my gps the first time and

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Kluge
arne anka schrieb: Today I powered up my gps the first time and got a fix after 80 seconds. I was on a hill in a small village outside in a garden under a apple tree and the Freerunner was standing upright. Then I rebooted it and got an other fix in 80 seconds again. I've been using agps-gui.

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
have a look at the archives -- there were some lengthy threads about that recently ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread Tim Schmidt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nvidia seems to care about Linux and OpenSource In what world have you been living for the last 10 years or so? --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread C R McClenaghan
A refinement on the thought below - how to pipe the NMEA data to a bluetooth serial port so I can connect my Palm TX and run its mapping off the FR GPS chip data. If anyone could provide pointers on setting up bluetooth serial connections to/from the FR I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Chris

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread Álvaro Lopes
Francesco Cat wrote: I found this System on a Chip by NVidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html and http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html It is something A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and I say I would love to see it on a GTA04 ;) What do you think about? Will we have a chance to see it?

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread Wolfgang Silbermayr
Francesco Cat wrote: I found this System on a Chip by NVidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html and http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html It is something A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and I say I would love to see it on a GTA04 ;) What do you think about? Will we have a chance to see it?

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread thomasg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this System on a Chip by NVidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html and http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html It is something A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and I say I would love to see it on a GTA04 ;) What do

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread Arne Zachlod
on heise.de they wrote something about windows-support only. Francesco Cat schrieb: I found this System on a Chip by NVidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html and http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html It is something A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and I say I would love to see it on a GTA04

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread Francesco Cat
Ok fine sorry for mistakes about OpenSource and whatever. 2008/7/14 thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this System on a Chip by NVidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html and

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread arne anka
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS#GTA02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: NVidia S-O-C

2008-07-14 Thread Tim Schmidt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ehm... I don't get what you meant to say... You said you thought they cared about Linux / Open Source. In the last 10 years, I haven't seen a single hint that they do. One possible (absurd) explanation is that we've been

Re: GPS

2008-07-14 Thread C R McClenaghan
Thanks for this, I also found how to go the other direction on the wiki. Right now I have the AGPS application reading data from the Garmin. Three minutes have passed and no fix yet. Will try Tango and then reverse the scenario for the Palm TX. L8r, Chris On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:54 AM,

New Freerunner, factory image - Registering...

2008-07-14 Thread Stroller
Hi there, So my Freerunner arrived this evening, I plugged it in and started charging and it powered itself on. I _love_ that kernel messages are displayed during boot-up, and the plastic of the Freerunner's case has a really nice feel to it. Anyway, once booted to the factory image I get

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