usb networking no longer works
I've flashed the latest 2008.8 images, and the script I was previously using to connect to the phone via usb no longer works. What I used to run (with 2007.2 images) was the following script as sudo in Ubuntu: -- #!/bin/bash iptables -F ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add 192.168.0.202 usb0 iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 bash -c echo '1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' -- But now, it fails with errors. I ran it, line by line, the first line that fails is ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 with the error: -- SIOCSIFADDR: No such device usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device -- What's going on? Dimitri -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/usb-networking-no-longer-works-tp675218p675218.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb networking no longer works (solved)
Sorry, I hadn't realized that the phone had shut itself off. I'm feeling rather dumb, right about now. Sorry :) D Dimitri wrote: I've flashed the latest 2008.8 images, and the script I was previously using to connect to the phone via usb no longer works. What I used to run (with 2007.2 images) was the following script as sudo in Ubuntu: -- #!/bin/bash iptables -F ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add 192.168.0.202 usb0 iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 bash -c echo '1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' -- But now, it fails with errors. I ran it, line by line, the first line that fails is ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 with the error: -- SIOCSIFADDR: No such device usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device -- What's going on? Dimitri -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/usb-networking-no-longer-works-tp675218p675227.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb networking no longer works
Hi, I had the same problem. IIRC it was resolved by flashing a new uboot to the device. cheers, Kalle Dimitri wrote: I've flashed the latest 2008.8 images, and the script I was previously using to connect to the phone via usb no longer works. What I used to run (with 2007.2 images) was the following script as sudo in Ubuntu: -- #!/bin/bash iptables -F ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add 192.168.0.202 usb0 iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 bash -c echo '1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' -- But now, it fails with errors. I ran it, line by line, the first line that fails is ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 with the error: -- SIOCSIFADDR: No such device usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device -- What's going on? Dimitri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb networking no longer works (solved)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Sorry, I hadn't realized that the phone had shut itself off. | | I'm feeling rather dumb, right about now. Sorry :) No problem, thanks for clearing it up. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZRWgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrDOwCfVEpCA9Nm0Z3q+71MlhCZOZ+D pRcAn3w9zgAh6edweX/Pn3iGj4ewopqs =uZDS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Al Johnson wrote: | | For a bit more consistency of timing, less manual intervention, and enough | readings to get an idea of the run to run variation in that location, can I | suggest a script? It could do with a timeout when waiting for a fix since | with deivestrength 3 and idleclk 1 this can take a _very_ long time, possibly | forever in some locations! | | I was just about to write a similar script when I saw yours hit my | inbox... other than a couple of assumptions, I like yours better than | what I had in mind These are really interesting, thanks. | d i min / avg / max | 0 0 35.20/ 55.33/144.30 === | 0 1 37.39/ 77.76/315.76 | 3 0 36.07/ 42.07/ 47.82 === | 3 1 97.46/173.09/359.69 These relative numbers are a bit counterintuitive... it might be worth trying it again from a very cold boot but with the script for DRIVESTRENGTH in 3 2 1 0 and seeing if the bias to a worse max moves accordingly. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZSEYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqZ0wCfUXoX3HMgYVcZOTehrASDkowr QicAnR5AVWf4MqqjdtMH7Kg8qbtLnvrl =nGv9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Al Johnson wrote: | | For a bit more consistency of timing, less manual intervention, and enough | readings to get an idea of the run to run variation in that location, can I | suggest a script? It could do with a timeout when waiting for a fix since | with deivestrength 3 and idleclk 1 this can take a _very_ long time, possibly | forever in some locations! | | I was just about to write a similar script when I saw yours hit my | inbox... other than a couple of assumptions, I like yours better than | what I had in mind These are really interesting, thanks. | d i min / avg / max | 0 0 35.20/ 55.33/144.30 === | 0 1 37.39/ 77.76/315.76 | 3 0 36.07/ 42.07/ 47.82 === | 3 1 97.46/173.09/359.69 These relative numbers are a bit counterintuitive... it might be worth trying it again from a very cold boot but with the script for DRIVESTRENGTH in 3 2 1 0 and seeing if the bias to a worse max moves accordingly. - -Andy Hey Andy, I started a draft of a wiki page here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_GPS_Software_Fix_TTFF_Measurement_Test to describe the test and to collect the results. Can you please add the line you suggest to the script? Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulsters outstanding orders
Nicolas, I can understad your anxious, and the nerves of the unknown status of your desired order. But you must understand than Pulster has make an great effort to mantain the Neo as affordable as posible, this has translated to an overheading amount of enstusiast impatience mail-vervose geeks that in solitare or in numerous groups has decided to buy to him(me included), I don't know the number of items had sell before the Neo madness but I'm only a coordinator of a group and some times it's hard to follow track about my 18 neo future(barely present) owners, so cmagine hundreds of them (I can imagine Chris as Jim Carey in this scence where he is God's sustitute and decide to drive all plege via mail.. It's scary, isn't it?). We all are noobs, Openmoko delivering from factory, Distributors estimating sales and shipping resources, we as costumers are also noob becouse this kind of open distribution chain has no precedent in a comercial product. So all of you, waiting a neo from Pulster or from any distributor , please have a little empathy with your provider, an consider this fisrsts bacthes deliveries as beta, they will surelly have bugs but you must be confident that you neo will arrive, and in the near future the situation will be more regular and soft. And as Pulster said you have all the right to put on his nerves asking for the status of you Neo, but take in account that any mail/phonecall you send is a little more weigth in the load of your provider so please use it gently. Regards David Samblas El mié, 06-08-2008 a las 00:16 +0200, Nicolas Pichon escribió: arne anka wrote: from where in europe are you ordering? if you're inside emu when using iban your transfer is not allowed to cost more than a national transfer. I'm ordering from France (my bank is Société Générale), and they charged me 3,05€ (not 3,50€ as I said before, I've just re-checked), which is also the cost for a national transfer in my bank. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulsters outstanding orders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFImU5rSIAU/I6SkT0RAjhfAJ93EGfAbcaIkU5IB+2HWay54vWFXQCePa2a U2fFrhABot47QzpYx3sNrYg= =iXLx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I started a draft of a wiki page here | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_GPS_Software_Fix_TTFF_Measurement_Test | to describe the test and to collect the results. Can you please add the | line you suggest to the script? I started editing that page but I don't know what we're trying to do with asking for mass data collection. I think it's OK to get a few results from this script and we get a clear idea, that and Stacy's work yesterday anyway put a limit on how bad the situation is with SD Card loaded: it's not that bad. People don't need to nuke their machine and rootfs two different ways, all they need is current kernel and they can turn the various changes on and off with the script. Plus, it is dangerous to go on just updating kernel partition by hand, people need to use kernel packages so their modules get updated too. The line in the script I mentioned is just something to try to see if there is a bias against the first test run, it changes an existing line there which is otherwise OK. I guess results from this script get skewed because of this sticky behaviour that the GPS chip can apparently remember things between power cycling. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZT2UACgkQOjLpvpq7dMp+pwCeJl72T8+joEjVYaGkelFtxTFl nPcAniia59IJr/l5C5HIJYY/IQZ3ypSL =DtXQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WORKS] Re: usb receptables from old motherboard = gender changer = usb host cable?
Olivier Migeot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When everything's settled, would you agree to write some schematics or a even a small howto on your work? It seems pretty interesting :) I added instructions to the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_USB_host Please let me know what you think. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WORKS] Re: usb receptables from old motherboard = gender changer = usb host cable?
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 09:15:33 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Olivier Migeot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When everything's settled, would you agree to write some schematics or a even a small howto on your work? It seems pretty interesting :) I added instructions to the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_USB_host Please let me know what you think. Great, it's a handy solution. If I connect 5V from external, I can charge the Neo? Can I break something I tell the Neo to provide 5V (echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode) and add external power supply? Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OFFTOPIC] money transfere fees [WAS] Pulsters outstanding orders
Nicolas Pichon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm ordering from France (my bank is Société Générale), and they charged me 3,05€ (not 3,50€ as I said before, I've just re-checked), which is also the cost for a national transfer in my bank. WOW, man. you really should get another bank. maybe that's common in france, i don't know, but here in austria hardly anybody has to pay for money transfers (national and EU). if you have an expensive account you might have to pay a few cents, though. best regards ... clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OFFTOPIC] money transfere fees [WAS] Pulsters outstanding orders
Clemens Kirchgatterer a écrit : WOW, man. you really should get another bank. maybe that's common in france, i don't know, but here in austria hardly anybody has to pay for money transfers (national and EU). if you have an expensive account you might have to pay a few cents, though. Hi, I've just checked on the internet the pricing of 2 another common banks in France (BNP Paribas and LCL) and alas it seem these are common pricing in France for international transfer (3,20€ for BNP and 3,90€ for LCL, so my bank seems to be one of the less expensive). Maybe there are cheaper banks in France for international transfer, but I don't know them. I hope these expensive pricing are balanced by other operations/services cheaper in France that for banks in other countries. It's difficult to compare, as there must have much different practices between two countries. Regards, Nicolas Pichon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WORKS] Re: usb receptables from old motherboard = gender changer = usb host cable?
Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Great, it's a handy solution. If I connect 5V from external, I can charge the Neo? Can I break something I Probably. Isn't the Three-Headed Cable chapter instructing you to do essentially the same thing? It's a shame that no motherboard has a set of _three_ USB receptables in a compact package :-) tell the Neo to provide 5V (echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode) and add external power supply? That I do not know. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WORKS] Re: usb receptables from old motherboard = gender changer = usb host cable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Great, it's a handy solution. | If I connect 5V from external, I can charge the Neo? Can I break something I | | Probably. Isn't the Three-Headed Cable chapter instructing you to do | essentially the same thing? It's a shame that no motherboard has a set | of _three_ USB receptables in a compact package :-) | | tell the Neo to provide 5V (echo 1 | /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode) and add external power | supply? | | That I do not know. It obviously isn't recommended, but I tested it here some months ago and it didn't make any smoke or heat. But, you can't charge at all like that. As soon as you set hostmode - 1 then power path from USB socket to PMU is disabled (so it doesn't try charge from its own generated power). If you leave hostmode at 0, provide external power AND add 15K pulldowns on D+ and D- externally, you can have your host cake and eat your charger... er... well, have it both ways. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZX+cACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpDVQCeMezY3Jnty4FrFSWBe8p9OroK 2MoAnR6jGAIcHjJxsZEs2n9Rgq/TQw/k =2eB2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new galician team for translate openmoko
Frco. Javier Rial wrote: Hi to everybody: My name is Frco. Javier Rial Rodríguez. I've registered a galician team in the Wiki for translation openmoko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Translation#Galician I work in a government project (Mancomun.org) at Galicia. The main focus of the project is to promote open source software, and help our localization communities offering our services, and because of that, we want to translate OpenMoko into galician. I've read the Translation_HOWTO, download cvs copy and locate the *.po and *.pot files. There are 3 pot files (excluded the sample file): openmoko-calculator2/po/Calculator.pot openmoko-calculator/po/Calculator.pot openmoko-simplemediaplayer/po/bmp.pot And a lot of localized po for openmoko-feedreader2 openmoko-calculator2 openmoko-contacts openmoko-calculator openmoko-simplemediaplayer openmoko-panel I understand that I have to translate calculator, calculator2, simplemediaplayer, feedreader, contacts and panel. Do I miss something??, Do I need to translate any kind of images (logos, buttons, ...) or html pages? Hello Javier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPRS internet connection applet
Hi, I just wondering if it exists an applet to start/stop the GPRS ppp connection (I use OM2007.2). Following the guidelines of this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS I wrote a little PythonGTK applet, that is working well. But I'm a very beginner in OpenMoko, Python and GTK, so may be I get the wrong approach. The applet is callet PyPPP, screenshot and download here: http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/freerunner#connessione_internet_via_gprs -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
Alle 00:17, mercoledì 6 agosto 2008, Tim Coggins ha scritto: I can confirm this; it's been happening for the last week or so. Tim This is also for me. I use gtk and massages (not all) can be recived after hours or days. My TLC is Vodafone (italy) -- Romulan women are not like Vulcan females. We are not dedicated to pure logic and the sterility of non-emotion. -- Romulan Commander, The Enterprise Incident, stardate 5027.3 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WORKS] Re: usb receptables from old motherboard = gender changer = usb host cable?
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, you can't charge at all like that. As soon as you set hostmode - 1 then power path from USB socket to PMU is disabled (so it doesn't try charge from its own generated power). If you leave hostmode at 0, provide external power AND add 15K pulldowns on D+ and D- externally, you can have your host cake and eat your charger... er... well, have it both ways. Thanks for the info. I need to think about how to do this compactly. Maybe I could skip the desoldering part completely and just use chain saw to remove a piece of the motherboard that has two of these sets of two receptables? That way I would have four USB receptables tightly mounted on a PCB and could connect pull-down resistors to the other side, right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Andy Green wrote: | d i min / avg / max | 0 0 35.20/ 55.33/144.30 === | 0 1 37.39/ 77.76/315.76 | | 3 0 36.07/ 42.07/ 47.82 === | 3 1 97.46/173.09/359.69 These relative numbers are a bit counterintuitive... it might be worth trying it again from a very cold boot but with the script From experience writing the script I think they look within the normal range of variation for a FR sitting near a window, and that if you increased PASSES the stats for all of the IDLECLK=0 runs would look the same if the card wasn't being exercised. I got to see a lot of such apparently counterintuitive results before I forced access to the card after writing the sysfs entries! From the same location some runs have a best ttff of ~150s while others are consistent at around 35-40s. Some start with good ttff, go through a period of poor ttff then back to good again. This would be more visible if people posted the raw results rather than the statistics. I suspect from a couple of observations that a GSM register may make ttff longer, but I don't have any data to back that up - it may just have been unlucky. Any ideas on how GSM status could be factored in? I suppose I should post some results too. Note the 2 results where there seems to have been a GPRMC result sitting in a serial buffer or something. d i time 0 0 real 2m 20.77s 0 1 real 6m 5.84s 1 0 real 2m 7.67s 1 1 real 3m 6.97s 2 0 real 1m 19.33s 2 1 real 9m 59.40s 3 0 real 0m 49.44s 3 1 real 1h 15m 34s 0 0 real 2m 6.22s 0 1 real 6m 25.13s 1 0 real 0m 58.47s 1 1 real 4m 45.95s 2 0 real 2m 10.15s 2 1 real 5m 55.50s 3 0 real 1m 24.57s 3 1 real 54m 27.04s 0 0 real 2m 14.25s 0 1 real 5m 49.14s 1 0 real 0m 40.93s 1 1 real 4m 54.68s 2 0 real 0m 55.83s 2 1 real 5m 39.02s 3 0 real 0m 39.20s 3 1 real 7m 32.77s 0 0 real 0m 46.20s 0 1 real 3m 6.79s 1 0 real 0m 38.62s 1 1 real 1m 20.72s 2 0 real 0m 48.52s 2 1 real 4m 4.87s 3 0 real 1m 3.03s 3 1 real 5m 56.27s 0 0 real 0m 53.03s 0 1 real 2m 8.48s 1 0 real 2m 40.71s 1 1 real 1m 57.13s 2 0 real 2m 1.89s 2 1 real 2m 59.68s 3 0 real 0m 57.95s 3 1 real 4m 41.03s 0 0 real 0m 42.63s 0 1 real 2m 10.56s 1 0 real 0m 46.22s 1 1 real 0m 0.14s 2 0 real 0m 48.24s 2 1 real 5m 40.03s 3 0 real 0m 56.11s 3 1 real 9m 16.78s 0 0 real 0m 38.74s 0 1 real 1m 3.09s 1 0 real 0m 49.23s 1 1 real 0m 0.14s 2 0 real 0m 48.09s 2 1 real 2m 47.54s 3 0 real 0m 53.33s 3 1 real 9m 18.26s 0 0 real 0m 40.45s 0 1 real 2m 10.75s 1 0 real 0m 46.27s 1 1 real 3m 10.67s 2 0 real 0m 48.13s 2 1 real 3m 24.71s 3 0 real 0m 37.41s 3 1 real 10m 9.89s 0 0 real 0m 39.93s 0 1 real 1m 9.94s 1 0 real 0m 39.97s 1 1 real 2m 2.57s 2 0 real 0m 47.56s 2 1 real 3m 36.03s 3 0 real 0m 43.44s 3 1 real 6m 16.24s 0 0 real 2m 1.56s 0 1 real 3m 13.48s 1 0 real 0m 40.60s 1 1 real 2m 37.83s 2 0 real 0m 39.71s 2 1 real 2m 31.22s 3 0 real 0m 51.98s 3 1 real 6m 3.22s ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
/framework/milestone2/updates/om-gta02 empty?
After trying FSO and installing distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk I did a opkg update and upgrade, without any effect. When looking at /framework/milestone2/updates/om-gta02 : no wonder, it is empty. Will there be no daily update? or is this just not the right URL? greetings Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit?
Michael Sheldon wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: do you have an ipkg? did you get gpsd support to compile? I've tried compiling the svn version, but I get the following during 'make': /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lpq collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [osm2navit] Error 1 om-conf seems to work, although it still isn't enabling gpsd. You shouldn't need to use the separate openmoko buildchain, there's a navit recipe in openembedded which should build navit and all the required dependencies. Just setup the MokoMakefile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Then run: make build-package-navit This'll probably take a long time, since it'll first have to build the tool chain and all dependencies. If I get time later I'll see about doing a build of it and making it available. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I had a read through the MokoMakeFile wiki page, but it looks to me like it has to build other stuff (also mentioned in your message). This mentions requiring about 12Gb of free HDD space, which I don't have... am I missing something? can I just build navit using the MokoMakeFile? will it really need 12Gb? :O -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit?
Harald Koenig wrote: On Aug 05, Dale Maggee wrote: Thanks, but I've got the map problem sorted out, I think... now I just need to get it working with gpsd... when I first compiled navit for openmoko I had to add libgps devel to my (cross) build environment to make ./configure add the gpsd support (check the tail of the output of configure!), then it worked quite fine. here I have tar files (no ipk yet, sorry) from two builds form July 12 and August 4, just extract them in / and run navit in a terminal... http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.1.tgz http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.2.tgz Harald Forgive what is probably a dumb question (I'm not a coder), but how do I install the libgps devel stuff? I noticed the section in the ToolChain Wiki mentioning 'Installing additional libraries into the toolchain'. and I figured this is probably what I needed to do, but I have no Idea where to get libgps...? Thanks, I'll try out your tarballs now... -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /framework/milestone2/updates/om-gta02 empty?
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 11:00:41 Eildert Groeneveld wrote: After trying FSO and installing distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk I did a opkg update and upgrade, without any effect. When looking at /framework/milestone2/updates/om-gta02 : no wonder, it is empty. At the moment there is only an update for the xserver (updates/armv4t/). However, the update will not work since opkg uses the git hash as version number. The hash of the old package is higher. Therfore, opkg assumes it is up to date.. Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: any update on GSM interference issue
PLEASE NOTE: I'm going to move this thread to [hardware]-ml and join it with another thread of same topic from [support], in a few hours. then i won't read it anymore -- i am already subscribed to community and support and it's almost more than i can read ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit?
Forgive what is probably a dumb question (I'm not a coder), but how do I install the libgps devel stuff? I noticed the section in the ToolChain use your distro's package management to find libgps and devel this should give you one or more package names like libgps-devel or libgps-dev install it. with debian and apt i get $ apt-cache search libgps devel libgps-dev - C library for communicating with GPS devices (development files) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
R: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
According to Italian/European Union law: 1) the customer can return the package within 14 days from the receipt of the good bought on-line. No matter if it's perfectly working or if it is DOA. This is not yet a warranty, it applies to goods that were bought by corrispondence or on-line where the customer cannot check the good on the spot. Actually, I don't know to which extent this applies to goods bought on-line outside from Italy, this likely depends on bi-lateral agreements between countries. 2) if, within 6 months from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, it is automatically presumed that the good was already defective. The reseller must reimburse, repair or substitute the good. Note that this responsibility is on the *reseller*, not on the producer, in case they are different. 3) if, within 2 years from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, then it is up to the customer to prove that the good was already defective and that the malfunction isn't the result of wearing or improper usage. Again, if the good is actually defective, the reseller must reimburse, repair or substitute the good. After 2 years have passed the legal warranty expires. The producer/reseller can optionally offer a longer or enhanced commercial warranty (3 years or more, 24hrs substitution, etc), but this does not replace the minimum legal warranty. EU directives talk about conformity. A defect is found whenever the device fails to conform: - to existing norms and laws that are applicable to the device (900MHz EM radiation from antenna must not be greater than X...). Failing to comply to norms/legislation may even result in the product being retired from the market. - to what has been declared by the producer (SD and GPS work well together, It can make phone calls, It can receive SMS...) See also: http://www.cedarrapids.org/_includes/fileblob.asp?I=16table=contentext=pdf Michele -Messaggio originale- Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di steve Inviato: lunedì 4 agosto 2008 23.50 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Shiloh' Oggetto: RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner? The warrenty on our web shop is 14 days for DOA. GSM problems could be related to the age of your SIM. So we suggest updated any old SIMS. Micheal can help. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Morris Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:43 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Shiloh Subject: Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner? ian douglas wrote: Guys, My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the warranty, and if it would cover any hardware fix offered by OM for the GPS/SD problems. And a good thread it was too :) I am also very curious about the potential GSM fixes. Will these be done by sending it back, or will it be something us hackers can do (and soldering sub-micron capacitors to invisible traces I do not consider your average hacker can do, and I have been playing with a soldering iron for 35 years, and I would not attempt it :) The GSM problems particularly worry me, because it does make the phone useless as a phone and I need to know if I need to go buy another phone as a primary phone or not. Whereas problems with GPS SDCARDS are not show stoppers for me. If it worked fine with a BT headset I could also use it happily. (Of course if we discover a fatal H/W flaw that prevents even BT headsets from working that is also a show stopper for me) So please OM head honchos, get together and please give us a definitive statement as to what the after sales support will be for any serious Hardware issues discovered after shipping. Thanks Jim -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulsters outstanding orders
Hi all. I've also been anxiously waiting here in Lisbon for my FR to arrive from Pulster together with a 10+ group from Portugal and another 10+ group from Spain. And of course, Pulster is delayed. Worse yet, they've just told us they probably switched the Spanish and Portuguese orders by mistake. 8) Now, Pulster himself has been satisfyingly accessible and honest with us (he even told us to refuse the packages and he would reship them correctly on his own cost), so we are going to cut him some slack (we will accept the packages and sort out the mess by ourselves); I believe, like David just so eloquently said, that the people at Pulster are working in overdrive to satisfy an overwhelming amount of orders for this phone, and I think the problem extends to all the other distributors and even the openmoko factory. It is a bit their fault, of course, for having created such high expectations for so long, in a synchronized release. But it couldn't be done any other way. So please, guys, take it easy. We'll all get our phones. We've waited over a year for this, we can wait a few more days/weeks. After all, there is no other phone like this in the whole history of mankind. :) Keep in mind that getting the phone in our hands is not the goal; it is just the beginning of the revolution! Vasco. Citando David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nicolas, I can understad your anxious, and the nerves of the unknown status of your desired order. But you must understand than Pulster has make an great effort to mantain the Neo as affordable as posible, this has translated to an overheading amount of enstusiast impatience mail-vervose geeks that in solitare or in numerous groups has decided to buy to him(me included), I don't know the number of items had sell before the Neo madness but I'm only a coordinator of a group and some times it's hard to follow track about my 18 neo future(barely present) owners, so cmagine hundreds of them (I can imagine Chris as Jim Carey in this scence where he is God's sustitute and decide to drive all plege via mail.. It's scary, isn't it?). We all are noobs, Openmoko delivering from factory, Distributors estimating sales and shipping resources, we as costumers are also noob becouse this kind of open distribution chain has no precedent in a comercial product. So all of you, waiting a neo from Pulster or from any distributor , please have a little empathy with your provider, an consider this fisrsts bacthes deliveries as beta, they will surelly have bugs but you must be confident that you neo will arrive, and in the near future the situation will be more regular and soft. And as Pulster said you have all the right to put on his nerves asking for the status of you Neo, but take in account that any mail/phonecall you send is a little more weigth in the load of your provider so please use it gently. Regards David Samblas El mié, 06-08-2008 a las 00:16 +0200, Nicolas Pichon escribió: arne anka wrote: from where in europe are you ordering? if you're inside emu when using iban your transfer is not allowed to cost more than a national transfer. I'm ordering from France (my bank is Société Générale), and they charged me 3,05€ (not 3,50€ as I said before, I've just re-checked), which is also the cost for a national transfer in my bank. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: R: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michele this law is valid in Italy / EU union. For this reason if you buy your FR from a reseller, as for example Pulster, you receive 2 years warranty. But if you buy from U.S. like from the OM shop, you must to follow US laws about warranty. Best regards Michele Renda Michele Manzato wrote: According to Italian/European Union law: 1) the customer can return the package within 14 days from the receipt of the good bought on-line. No matter if it's perfectly working or if it is DOA. This is not yet a warranty, it applies to goods that were bought by corrispondence or on-line where the customer cannot check the good on the spot. Actually, I don't know to which extent this applies to goods bought on-line outside from Italy, this likely depends on bi-lateral agreements between countries. 2) if, within 6 months from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, it is automatically presumed that the good was already defective. The reseller must reimburse, repair or substitute the good. Note that this responsibility is on the *reseller*, not on the producer, in case they are different. 3) if, within 2 years from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, then it is up to the customer to prove that the good was already defective and that the malfunction isn't the result of wearing or improper usage. Again, if the good is actually defective, the reseller must reimburse, repair or substitute the good. After 2 years have passed the legal warranty expires. The producer/reseller can optionally offer a longer or enhanced commercial warranty (3 years or more, 24hrs substitution, etc), but this does not replace the minimum legal warranty. EU directives talk about conformity. A defect is found whenever the device fails to conform: - to existing norms and laws that are applicable to the device (900MHz EM radiation from antenna must not be greater than X...). Failing to comply to norms/legislation may even result in the product being retired from the market. - to what has been declared by the producer (SD and GPS work well together, It can make phone calls, It can receive SMS...) See also: http://www.cedarrapids.org/_includes/fileblob.asp?I=16table=contentext=pdf Michele -Messaggio originale- Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di steve Inviato: lunedì 4 agosto 2008 23.50 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Shiloh' Oggetto: RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner? The warrenty on our web shop is 14 days for DOA. GSM problems could be related to the age of your SIM. So we suggest updated any old SIMS. Micheal can help. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Morris Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:43 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Shiloh Subject: Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner? ian douglas wrote: Guys, My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the warranty, and if it would cover any hardware fix offered by OM for the GPS/SD problems. And a good thread it was too :) I am also very curious about the potential GSM fixes. Will these be done by sending it back, or will it be something us hackers can do (and soldering sub-micron capacitors to invisible traces I do not consider your average hacker can do, and I have been playing with a soldering iron for 35 years, and I would not attempt it :) The GSM problems particularly worry me, because it does make the phone useless as a phone and I need to know if I need to go buy another phone as a primary phone or not. Whereas problems with GPS SDCARDS are not show stoppers for me. If it worked fine with a BT headset I could also use it happily. (Of course if we discover a fatal H/W flaw that prevents even BT headsets from working that is also a show stopper for me) So please OM head honchos, get together and please give us a definitive statement as to what the after sales support will be for any serious Hardware issues discovered after shipping. Thanks Jim -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN
Re: Navit?
arne anka wrote: Forgive what is probably a dumb question (I'm not a coder), but how do I install the libgps devel stuff? I noticed the section in the ToolChain use your distro's package management to find libgps and devel this should give you one or more package names like libgps-devel or libgps-dev install it. with debian and apt i get $ apt-cache search libgps devel libgps-dev - C library for communicating with GPS devices (development files) More (dumb?) questions: (this is not really neccessary now, since harald's tarball works, but out of interest / for future reference, it'd be nice to be able to build it myself) I'm using fedora, and doing a 'yum list available', I don't get anything called 'libgps', but I do see: gpsd.i3862.34-3.fc7 development gpsd-clients.i3862.34-3.fc7 development gpsd-devel.i386 2.34-3.fc7 development would this be the same thing with a different name, perchance? and again, forgive me if I'm a moron, but I'm not sure how to reconcile installing these packages with what it says on the toolchain wiki page under 'Installing additional libraries into the toolchain', the wiki page mentions doing: ./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr make make install but in my experience, things I install with yum are precompiled... would I install the -devel package with yum and then use 'rpm -ql' (list package files) to find the files I need? wouldn't I actually want to install a source package (probably named something like gpsd-src)? Thanks, -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Andy Green wrote: | | d i min / avg / max | | 0 0 35.20/ 55.33/144.30 === | | 0 1 37.39/ 77.76/315.76 | | | | 3 0 36.07/ 42.07/ 47.82 === | | 3 1 97.46/173.09/359.69 | | These relative numbers are a bit counterintuitive... it might be worth | trying it again from a very cold boot but with the script | | From experience writing the script I think they look within the normal range | of variation for a FR sitting near a window, and that if you increased PASSES | the stats for all of the IDLECLK=0 runs would look the same if the card | wasn't being exercised. I got to see a lot of such apparently | counterintuitive results before I forced access to the card after writing the | sysfs entries! From the same location some runs have a best ttff of ~150s I guess it means there are random accesses to SD Card in background. | I suspect from a couple of observations that a GSM register may make ttff | longer, but I don't have any data to back that up - it may just have been | unlucky. Any ideas on how GSM status could be factored in? Make a call and whistle is what I would do. But there is pretty much no latitude (ha) for meddling with what GSM side is going to do. | I suppose I should post some results too. Note the 2 results where there seems | to have been a GPRMC result sitting in a serial buffer or something. I guess it won't hurt to sleep 3 after turning it off before turning it back on. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZeToACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrO4QCeLjWfOXDMVY+7ZgG0EEI8Ewv/ sw4An3067DpkKz4E1LEsGFDh4bz2Z19r =xr+V -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.2 Multitap-pad toggle?
Dylan Reilly wrote: thanks, now it works, I was using matchbox from OM repositories, not the ones you pointed. Now I can play numptyphysiscs :-) ciao, leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem with usb cable: device descriptor read/64, error -110
hm ok, With today's opkg update opkg upgrade the usb networking is now working again :). Am Dienstag, den 05.08.2008, 11:47 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber: Hi Andy, thanks for your quick answer! Ok, that's the reason for the problem but it doesn't fix it completely. After flashing uboot (flashing works quite well so no problem with the cable) there was no more error message but also no success message. If I connect now my Freerunner to the usb port (when the Freerunner is powered up) there isn't any kind of message in dmesg on the host and there is also no new networking interface (usb0). So usb networking is still not working. Do I have to wait for an fix? Kev Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 19:28 +0100 schrieb Andy Green: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | So it should be the cable (hardware defect?) oder the neo update (using | 2007.2 with latest updates). | Did I miss something, any other ideas? Has someone this problems, too? | | It also seems, that the neo isn't charging anymore when it is connected | to the cable. The usb power supply is still working fine and can charge | the neo. | | Thanks a lot for your answer! This sounds exactly like the fault of the bad U-Boot we put out for a while. Boot into your NOR U-Boot by holding AUX while powering up, then dfu over today's U-Boot image. After that this should be no longer a problem. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiXSj8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoTJwCePIo4iXi3RvQABYo4Hu4R23FN AHsAn0ZEqZKAT8uFabtUk8KeYqk4bUfF =OC8N -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit?
Success! extracted navit.arm.2.tgz to ./ on the FR, did some configurification to use my australia map, and it works! It's *very* slow (~1fps) to update the screen at usefull zoom levels, and I seem to have to start the agpsgui and get a fix with that first, but it's working! yay! thanks alot harald! should I need to get a fix with the agpsgui before starting navit? is there something else I should / could do to avoid this step? Ideally it'd be nice to just be able to start navit and drive... Thanks alot to everyone who has helped me out with this! :) Harald Koenig wrote: On Aug 05, Dale Maggee wrote: Thanks, but I've got the map problem sorted out, I think... now I just need to get it working with gpsd... when I first compiled navit for openmoko I had to add libgps devel to my (cross) build environment to make ./configure add the gpsd support (check the tail of the output of configure!), then it worked quite fine. here I have tar files (no ipk yet, sorry) from two builds form July 12 and August 4, just extract them in / and run navit in a terminal... http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.1.tgz http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.2.tgz Harald ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem with usb cable: device descriptor read/64, error -110
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | hm ok, | | With today's opkg update opkg upgrade the usb networking is now | working again :). Great. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZfhgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrLlQCfZbke/QbbSe+O4e7fMusRZNvx jUEAnRt8IPAxyix0JEFBXjir+ZfzAxTb =2Lkl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit?
gpsd-devel.i386 2.34-3.fc7 development this should be the right one -- lock inside (yum might be able to list the content), it should have some or more files ending with .h under 'Installing additional libraries into the toolchain', the wiki page mentions doing: ./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr make make install until error messages advise otherwise, i think that's not necessary. after all, you're just linking an app aganinst a well known and available lib. but in my experience, things I install with yum are precompiled... would not necessarily (there are actually src.rpm). the devel-packages conatin additional, usually platform independent, informations like the .h files and .la, which basically provide informations how other applications may play together with this app (libgps in our case). I install the -devel package with yum and then use 'rpm -ql' (list package files) to find the files I need? you can do rpm -ql if you're curious about the packages contents, but on any distribution conforming to lsb there are well defined pathes to install those files into and to look for. thus, the compiler should be able to finde the necessary files without any further action on your side. wouldn't I actually want to install a source package (probably named something like gpsd-src)? only if you want to build gps yourself. in the rare case, there is absolutely no devel package available, you might use a source package as well, since it contains that .h and .la files as well -- but that requires a certain amount of configuration to make the compiler find them. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR at golem.de
Hi folks, the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in german language) http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
2008/8/6 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in german language) http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.htmlhl=enie=UTF8sl=detl=en -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
Googles English is horrible. :-) Am Mittwoch, den 06.08.2008, 07:29 -0400 schrieb Charles Pax: 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in german language) http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.htmlhl=enie=UTF8sl=detl=en -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit?
arne anka wrote: gpsd-devel.i386 2.34-3.fc7 development this should be the right one -- lock inside (yum might be able to list the content), it should have some or more files ending with .h I can't see a yum option to list files, but there's an info command which gives me the following, among other things: Description: This package provides C header files for the gpsd shared libraries that manage access to a GPS for applications; also Python modules. This makes me think that you're probably correct, and that this is what I want. Trying to install this puts me into a dependency hell I created a long time ago when I knew a lot less and installed two incompatible repositories, the solution which I found being 'don't update'. I'll see if I can get it to install without causing a disaster (It's currently resolving dependencies), but as previously indicated it's not that important anymore, so if it's going to uninstall a heap of my programs I won't worry about it.. (snip) until error messages advise otherwise, i think that's not necessary. after all, you're just linking an app aganinst a well known and available lib. but in my experience, things I install with yum are precompiled... would not necessarily (there are actually src.rpm). the devel-packages conatin additional, usually platform independent, informations like the .h files and .la, which basically provide informations how other applications may play together with this app (libgps in our case). Aha, I see, so this will install the required gps.h file, among other things... I install the -devel package with yum and then use 'rpm -ql' (list package files) to find the files I need? you can do rpm -ql if you're curious about the packages contents, but on any distribution conforming to lsb there are well defined pathes to install those files into and to look for. thus, the compiler should be able to finde the necessary files without any further action on your side. wouldn't I actually want to install a source package (probably named something like gpsd-src)? only if you want to build gps yourself. in the rare case, there is absolutely no devel package available, you might use a source package as well, since it contains that .h and .la files as well -- but that requires a certain amount of configuration to make the compiler find them. I understand! Thanks alot for clearing up my confusion! :) I'll let you know if I manage to get it installed. -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. The funniest thing: They say the icons are bad. i.e. the «gears»-Tab is not for Settings, it's for the favorites menu. Never heard from a task manager, haven't they... 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Googles English is horrible. :-) Am Mittwoch, den 06.08.2008, 07:29 -0400 schrieb Charles Pax: 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in german language) http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.htmlhl=enie=UTF8sl=detl=en -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Andy Green wrote: | sysfs entries! From the same location some runs have a best ttff of ~150s I guess it means there are random accesses to SD Card in background. Perhaps, but I think I saw similar variation from the same location with the SD card removed when the link was first discovered. It may be the GSM, the constellation, or a neighbour using some crappy device that spews interference too. I might try a few runs with the SD removed to get a baseline for variation not attributable to the SD. | I suspect from a couple of observations that a GSM register may make ttff | longer, but I don't have any data to back that up - it may just have been | unlucky. Any ideas on how GSM status could be factored in? Make a call and whistle is what I would do. But there is pretty much no latitude (ha) for meddling with what GSM side is going to do. I was thinking more of recording when the reregisters were taking place or something. I know we don't have control over it, but I would like to rule it in or out as a cause of interference. I wouldn't want you scratching your head over further ways to reduce interference from the SD if GSM or some other source was now the dominant factor. | I suppose I should post some results too. Note the 2 results where there seems | to have been a GPRMC result sitting in a serial buffer or something. I guess it won't hurt to sleep 3 after turning it off before turning it back on. It already sleeps 20 after switch off as an attempt to get a properly cold start, but I don't know if it's long enough for the ublox chip to lose its memory. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad A2DP Performance
I don't get nearly as bad performance as the OP. But it does make a difference how close I hold the Freerunner to my headset. With it just a few inches away, I get a glitch in the sound every 10 - 20 seconds. If I set it on the table in front of me about 2.5 - 3 feet from the headset, I get constant glitches. I also noticed what seem like dropped packets or sync issues. The song would just ahead by a second or so every once in a while. No clue what causes that. Here are my versions: bluez-utils - 3.23-r4 - bluez-utils-alsa - 3.23-r2 - bluez-utils-compat - 3.23-r2 - I checked top while I was playing. madplay was at about 18% usage and aplay took another 12%. If I just used aplay with a wav, it uses about 20%. Is gstreamer what openmoko-mediaplayer uses? Cause that wouldn't even play sound. Not sure what that is doing (obviously my goal would be for the mediaplayer to play to the BT headset). I noticed in the ticket a comment about trying it at 16 KHz sample rate. So, I played the same song with that sample rate. It performed much better. Of course, it sounds like crap... But I only got a few stutters/glitches. It was fairly bearable. I actually listened to the whole song and I noticed the following output: Playing WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 16000 Hz, Stereo 6746 frames decoded (0:02:56.2), +0.6 dB peak amplitude, 36 clipped samples If I play the same clip at the same distance, but at the original 44.1 KHz, it's unbearably glitchy. I get: Playing WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo 6746 frames decoded (0:02:56.2), +0.6 dB peak amplitude, 187 clipped samples -Steven On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reported a problem to the openmoko bug tracker a little while ago and I haven't received any feedback yet. I'm hoping I will get more feedback here. there are two sources of possible trouble for quality, cpu load and timing of bluetooth frames. The cpu is not likely the problem on neo. When driving it through the alsa driver, the neo1973 had really good a2dp performance even on older versions of bluez-utils, much better than the TI cpus (eg in the n800). Did you check the cpu load while playing? I don't have a freerunner, but the cpu is supposed to only be an improvement over the neo1973. btw, what version of bluez-utils is in the system? an aside, the gstreamer plugin has had a performance issue that burns a lot of cpu. I never did isolate it to either the encoder or transmission components. It isn't likely you're using the gstreamer route unless you specifically set out to do it that way. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad A2DP Performance
I compiled it from the development bitbake definitions using mokomakefile, IIRC. On Tuesday 05 August 2008 23:09:08 Steven ** wrote: Ok, where did you get that file?? You must share your secret. Cause I really did look and couldn't find anything that looked right. -Steven On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would gladly compare notes with you, but I'm missing bluez-utils-alsa. Where'd you get that package? As soon as I get that package, I should have A2DP running and can report the results. see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/22 and i sincerely hope bt audio will become useful in a near future. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. Fow how long do you think you should check a device before writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in it that makes this review so horrible? The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet. And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me. I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device. And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So where is the problem? Norbert The funniest thing: They say the icons are bad. i.e. the «gears»-Tab is not for Settings, it's for the favorites menu. Never heard from a task manager, haven't they... 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Googles English is horrible. :-) Am Mittwoch, den 06.08.2008, 07:29 -0400 schrieb Charles Pax: 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in german language) http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.htmlhl=enie=UTF8sl=detl=en -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit?
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 19:05 +1000, Dale Maggee wrote: Michael Sheldon wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: do you have an ipkg? did you get gpsd support to compile? I've tried compiling the svn version, but I get the following during 'make': /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lpq collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [osm2navit] Error 1 om-conf seems to work, although it still isn't enabling gpsd. You shouldn't need to use the separate openmoko buildchain, there's a navit recipe in openembedded which should build navit and all the required dependencies. Just setup the MokoMakefile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Then run: make build-package-navit This'll probably take a long time, since it'll first have to build the tool chain and all dependencies. If I get time later I'll see about doing a build of it and making it available. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I had a read through the MokoMakeFile wiki page, but it looks to me like it has to build other stuff (also mentioned in your message). This mentions requiring about 12Gb of free HDD space, which I don't have... am I missing something? can I just build navit using the MokoMakeFile? will it really need 12Gb? :O No, you will need this space only if you are building the complete image. For navit it will be much less. I'm trying to build it at the moment but being stuck with a portaudio issue. Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
Christian Weßel said Googles English is horrible. :-) Googles translations are awful in all languages lol -- Iker Berasaluce Departamento de Informatica Fulcrum SA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. Fow how long do you think you should check a device before writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in it that makes this review so horrible? The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet. And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me. I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device. And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So where is the problem? I think that before to test something you must to know what are you testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say: Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :) Nobody expected from a mobile phone that it should be able to make coffee. But you can expect from a mobile phone to make phone calls, can't you? From a PDA you can even expect to have a addressbook where you can store and find addresses, can't you? To be extremely biased towards this device does not help anyone. From the view point of a mobile phone the freerunner is the second worst device (nokia communicator 9100 was much worse :)) I ever saw. From the perspective of an open mobile platform it is coolest thing invented since sliced bread. my 2 cents, Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. Fow how long do you think you should check a device before writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in it that makes this review so horrible? I think that before to test something you must to know what are you testing. Well, that is true for any reasonable technical evaluation of anything. But not true for the press. It should be, but it is not. In a press context, this was actually a rather good review. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
Yeah, someone who is reviewing this device from the mindset of an end user is someone who's producing a useless review. It says 'Not for end users' all over its site long before you try to buy one. Are they writing a review for people who don't read? If you ask me, FIC should have shipped these with no rootfs, so that it would really drive home the point about how you should approach this device at this early stage. On Wednesday 06 August 2008 09:19:32 Michele Renda wrote: Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. Fow how long do you think you should check a device before writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in it that makes this review so horrible? The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet. And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me. I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device. And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So where is the problem? I think that before to test something you must to know what are you testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say: Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :) Michele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO adding packages
Hello Folks are there any other packages, that can be installed in FSO or is all there is in openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary ? Further: gps does not seem to be working . Is there a was to switch off/on services like GSM/GPS/BT? greetings Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
But is it marketed as a phone or not? Yes, it is marketed as a phone. Thus, to review it as a phone is only fair. imo the intended audience was not outlined very clear by om, thus the snafu with end-user vs developer continues. what turned me off was the point on the gear icon -- there was no indication that the author was aware of his being conditioned to expect a certain function behind a certain icon. it had a lot of quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab omnibus and no experiments, thank you!. but compared with other reviews which always had the iphone as yardstick this one was rather well balanced. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 09:36 -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote: Yeah, someone who is reviewing this device from the mindset of an end user is someone who's producing a useless review. It says 'Not for end users' all over its site long before you try to buy one. Are they writing a review for people who don't read? If you ask me, FIC should have shipped these with no rootfs, so that it would really drive home the point about how you should approach this device at this early stage. In the review you read what you can expect from the device. The conclusion is exactly what you say about what is written all over their site (Can you point me to any place on openmoko.com site where it says Not for end users?) So this is a review for people to know what it is without having to buy it first. And the conclusion says Not for end users. Norbert On Wednesday 06 August 2008 09:19:32 Michele Renda wrote: Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: This is the worst review I ever read from Golem. So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day. Fow how long do you think you should check a device before writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in it that makes this review so horrible? The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet. And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me. I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device. And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So where is the problem? I think that before to test something you must to know what are you testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say: Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :) Michele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
Christian Weßel, Mittwoch, 6. August 2008: the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in german language) http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html This article is not very good. Aside from some wrong facts, it seems a bit tendentious to me. Such bad press from a very popular IT-Website in Germany (big market for openmoko) is not good. The resellers, who give away Neos for testing, should also try to communicate more with the authors, give them more information and help them with the first steps, since the Golem-author does not seem to be very informed. Christian P.S.: Please excuse my bad english :-). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO adding packages
2008/8/6 Eildert Groeneveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Folks are there any other packages, that can be installed in FSO or is all there is in openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary ? Further: gps does not seem to be working . Gps is working in my NEO with the openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary. I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the zhone gps UI. Cheers, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Is there a was to switch off/on services like GSM/GPS/BT? greetings Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: Nobody expected from a mobile phone that it should be able to make coffee. But you can expect from a mobile phone to make phone calls, can't you? From a PDA you can even expect to have a addressbook where you can store and find addresses, can't you? To be extremely biased towards this device does not help anyone. From the view point of a mobile phone the freerunner is the second worst device (nokia communicator 9100 was much worse :)) I ever saw. From the perspective of an open mobile platform it is coolest thing invented since sliced bread. It can not to do an comparation with other phone because OM try to use only the most opened hardware components and to have a open developing process. If the Freerunner would use closed component at least he could have UMTS / HSDPA, a 3D accelerator, and other cute things. (in a few for a Iphone clone) But choosing a Open development you must to renunce all the component where you need to sign NDA to use it. It is a very DIFFICULT street. And I am not so sure who write the article know all this. It every case this phone must be reviewed more as a blank book where every people can what he want. My 2 cent. Michele Renda my 2 cents, Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIma49SIAU/I6SkT0RAq97AKCYteH7py/p8IrH8XaOAY/yBV4bRwCfcmNZ wTmHTYvnR9oEeA/kJEaZxxg= =RPuO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO adding packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Further: gps does not seem to be working . Is there a was to switch off/on | services like GSM/GPS/BT? The down and dirty way is described here, I dunno what is meant to be happening in FSO http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZrqkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMr4PwCgh1xxQh6hHp+LMcgyNV7EVyBG qEkAmwUV3rHvxQFKjtDNrAG4e8MpZtvS =6JLv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO adding packages
On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Valerio Valerio wrote: ps is working in my NEO with the openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary. I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the zhone gps UI. did you start something? like the gps daemon or whatever? e ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to see how full my battery is?
Hi, I have a Freerunner and I'm told to fully load it for the first time. But where can I check how full my battery is at the time? And where if it is loading at all? There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but it seems openmoko is running without acpi. Any idea would be great! bye ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
On 5 Aug 2008, at 19:19, Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Stroller wrote: Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will give them a few more days. I can recommend giving them a call. It takes a while until they pick up the phone, but they are very kind. They immediately agreed to send a replacement for the lost parcel (no arguing involved). You just need some patience on the phone (it's toll free). They never answered any of my emails though. If you reread my post you'll see that both myself the person I was responding to found ZAGG quite helpful in agreeing to replace the lost InvibleShield - it's just that THE REPLACEMENT HASN'T ARRIVED, EITHER. To be fair to them, the replacement was shipped out only 7 days ago now on 7-11 business-day shipping. I thought it was shipped earlier than that, and got the impression from the poster I quoted that his replacement was also overdue. As I said, I'm still giving ZAGG a few more days, but they do seem to suffer from an unusually high proportion of lost parcels. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
'cat /proc/apm' in the terminal will show you the current charge level, as well as the time to full charge or full discharge, depending on whether the device is plugged in or not. kazaam wrote: Hi, I have a Freerunner and I'm told to fully load it for the first time. But where can I check how full my battery is at the time? And where if it is loading at all? There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but it seems openmoko is running without acpi. Any idea would be great! bye ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
Hi, kazaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but it seems openmoko is running without acpi. Try apm to see current charge and cat /sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now to see power consumption. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:10:22 -0400 Joe DiTommasso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'cat /proc/apm' in the terminal will show you the current charge level, as well as the time to full charge or full discharge, depending on whether the device is plugged in or not. This shows me: # cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ? -1 % == battery_percentage -1 == battery_time is at least the description from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/37/Om-daemons.pdf But what shall those negative values mean?? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote: Nobody expected from a mobile phone that it should be able to make coffee. But you can expect from a mobile phone to make phone calls, can't you? From a PDA you can even expect to have a addressbook where you can store and find addresses, can't you? To be extremely biased towards this device does not help anyone. From the view point of a mobile phone the freerunner is the second worst device (nokia communicator 9100 was much worse :)) I ever saw. From the perspective of an open mobile platform it is coolest thing invented since sliced bread. It can not to do an comparation with other phone because OM try to use only the most opened hardware components and to have a open developing process. If the Freerunner would use closed component at least he could have UMTS / HSDPA, a 3D accelerator, and other cute things. (in a few for a Iphone clone) his Graphics chip-set can do 3D Acceleration AFAIK Juergen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
aptitude install openembedded-sonkei fails [Was: Re: Openmoko presentation]
Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/openmoko-free-your-phone.pdf
$ sudo aptitude install openembedded-sonkei
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Building dependency tree
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The following NEW packages will be installed:
monotone{a} openembedded-common{a} openembedded-sonkei
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Need to get 0B/2380kB of archives. After unpacking 6066kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.
You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that
this is what you want to do.
openembedded-sonkei openembedded-common
Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway?
To continue, enter Yes; to abort, enter No: yes
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/usr/src/oe seems to be used for something else. Aborting.
dpkg: error processing openembedded-common (--configure):
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of openembedded-sonkei:
openembedded-sonkei depends on openembedded-common; however:
Package openembedded-common is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing openembedded-sonkei (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
openembedded-common
openembedded-sonkei
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Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
Andy Green wrote: These are really interesting, thanks. | d i min / avg / max | 0 0 35.20/ 55.33/144.30 === | 0 1 37.39/ 77.76/315.76 | 3 0 36.07/ 42.07/ 47.82 === | 3 1 97.46/173.09/359.69 These relative numbers are a bit counterintuitive... it might be worth trying it again from a very cold boot but with the script for DRIVESTRENGTH in 3 2 1 0 and seeing if the bias to a worse max moves accordingly. So I broke the first rule of testing, and changed a bunch of things and then reran the test. First, instead of doing a power off/power on of the GPS, I used Andy's handy dandy UBX construction kit to issue a cold restart to the chip. If I understand the documentation correctly, this will wipe everything from the GPS's memory and do a hardware reset; that should take care of any concerns about residual fix information surviving a power cycle. Second, as Andy suggested, I reversed the order of DRIVESRENGTH values. And finally, I left WLAN enabled (mainly because I did a reboot of the FreeRunner and then ran the test). Here are the results: d i min / avg / max 0 0 36.41/ 51.53/ 84.83 0 1 40.41/ 59.13/128.33 1 0 36.98/ 45.45/ 51.03 1 1 40.94/ 63.74/111.77 2 0 31.43/ 45.08/ 52.31 2 1 32.57/ 57.50/ 76.06 3 0 32.10/ 43.75/ 57.98 3 1 40.34/ 61.71/ 96.67 BTW, the magic incantation to generate the cold restart is ubxcs b5 62 06 04 04 00 ff ff 00 00 coldstart.ubx Then to issue the command, cat coldstart.ubx /dev/ttySAC1 grep '$GPTXT,01,01,02,u-blox' -q -m 1 /dev/ttySAC1 The grep command looks for the powerup message from the GPS to make sure that there is no RMC sentence sitting in a buffer somewhere. -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)
Evan wrote: Is there more to the setup than meets the eye? the image setup isn't really documented. i ended up downloading all the ipk files, and doing opkg install on them (with the scummvm ipk being installed last), and everything appeared good until i tried running scummvm. from the menu, the screen turned landscape for a second ,then turned back to normal and nothing happened. i tried running it from the terminal (hoping to get a more detailed error message) and got the following /usr/bin/openmoko-scummvm: line 10: scummvm: not found upon opening the openmoko-scummvm file in a text editor, i saw that it was simply a shell script that was set to execute scummvm, for which i didn't see a binary. it looks like the scummvm_0.9.1.bb file could be useful, but i am not having any luck getting that to do anything. are there any files i have to get that aren't on this page here? http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/ Yorick Moko wrote: at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm there is a pre-built image On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Iker Berasaluce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/30 Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] dumb question, but just out of curiousity, what version of scummvm are you guys installing? is it one of the binary packages from the scummvm website? i'm not sure what packaging formats the freerunner can handle, and wasn't sure if it could take deb or rpm files, or which package i should download (or if i'm on the completely wrong track and there is an opkg install package for it). even if it isn't working perfect, i'd like to check it out. One of the first things I want to do when I get my FR is installing scummvm, so I don't think its a dumb question and I'm interested in the answer too. I'm having exactly the same problem with scummVM as described above. Looking I found /usr/bin/scummvm, but trying to run it i get : /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found which is very odd, because I can type /usr/bin/scum[TAB], and it autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't see anything wrong. does anyone have any Ideas? Thanks, -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO adding packages
2008/8/6 Eildert Groeneveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Valerio Valerio wrote: ps is working in my NEO with the openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary. I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the zhone gps UI. did you start something? like the gps daemon or whatever? No, just go outside with my neo without sd card, wait less than a minute and got a fix (is easier to see the fix in tangoGPS, but you can see the stat pos in the zhone UI), after that I can stay inside my house it gps signal. I don`t know if the SD/GPS problem are fixed already in this kernel. Cheers, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org e ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS internet connection applet
How did you get pygtk running? I have the problem here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 On Wednesday 06 August 2008 04:47:07 Niccolo Rigacci wrote: Hi, I just wondering if it exists an applet to start/stop the GPRS ppp connection (I use OM2007.2). Following the guidelines of this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS I wrote a little PythonGTK applet, that is working well. But I'm a very beginner in OpenMoko, Python and GTK, so may be I get the wrong approach. The applet is callet PyPPP, screenshot and download here: http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/freerunner#connessione_internet_via_gprs -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)
Dale Maggee, 2008-08-07 02:31:23 +1000 : [...] I'm having exactly the same problem with scummVM as described above. Looking I found /usr/bin/scummvm, but trying to run it i get : /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found which is very odd, because I can type /usr/bin/scum[TAB], and it autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't see anything wrong. This usually means a broken (or missing) interpreter. If /usr/bin/scummvm is a compiled binary, then the interpreter would be libc6/ld.so, but I assume you'd have been bitten by that earlier... Roland. -- Roland Mas Êtes vous sûr ? (O/N) -- Derniers mots d'un ordinateur ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO adding packages
Hello. On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:48, Eildert Groeneveld wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Valerio Valerio wrote: ps is working in my NEO with the openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary. I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the zhone gps UI. did you start something? like the gps daemon or whatever? No need. The framework takes care about enabling it when the first app starts to use it and turns it off when the last app stops using it. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.
Hello, I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make a profit. My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for the same price. Thank you. __ Donnie On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased FreeRunner. I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United States. It is completely new, barely used. I Just turned it on a couple of times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the battery. Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as described on the openmoko store page: * http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner* Please contact me if you are interested. I am located in the United States in Kentucky. Thank you. __ Donnie Jones ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS internet connection applet
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 12:33:32PM -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote: How did you get pygtk running? I have the problem here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 Installing was a little nightmare, because of repositories missing packages that were listed, etc. I had to wipe all the opkg lists, download packages from two different repo, and manually install them. Don't know if I can reproduce the recipe, howerver here I have the list of packages and the two repo I used: http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/freerunner#connessione_internet_via_gprs In Italian, sorry, but I think you can manage the list. -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)
Dale Maggee wrote: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found which is very odd, because I can type /usr/bin/scum[TAB], and it autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't see anything wrong. does anyone have any Ideas? For binaries this may indicate an OABI/EABI issue. There are different binary formats for ARM; Openmoko now uses EABI but binaries built for other platforms may be OABI. If you have binutils you can run readelf -l program and look for the Requesting program interpreter: line. If it's a shell script, then it may be a similar problem with the command interpreter, e.g. if the script's first line is #!/bin/bash but you do not have /bin/bash installed. p.s. I just checked the wiki page that was mentioned up-thread, and it looks like it's pointing to an old package from the 2007.1 days when Openmoko was using OABI binaries. There's a bitbake recipe for scummvm in OE so it should be easy to build an updated package if there's not one already available in the feeds. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)
/bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found what gives file /usr/bin/scummvm ldd /usr/bin/scummvm ls -alF /usr/bin/scummvm ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS internet connection applet
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:36:54AM -0400, xaos x wrote: the fact that after you stop the gprs call, you have to restart X to get the gsm modem to register on the phone network again. Any workarounds you know of for this? It seems the problem is here too. I have a data-only telco plan, so I can check only sending SMS. I can send an SMS and place a ppp call. After this, I cannot send SMS again, despite the gsmd is restarted and the operator name is reported in the top right of the screen. No error is reported by the FreeRunner, but SMS is not recevied. Is there some log/debuggin of gsm and sms operations? -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.
I don't suppose you'd take paysal and ship internationally? On 8/6/08, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make a profit. My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for the same price. Thank you. __ Donnie On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased FreeRunner. I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United States. It is completely new, barely used. I Just turned it on a couple of times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the battery. Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as described on the openmoko store page: * http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner* Please contact me if you are interested. I am located in the United States in Kentucky. Thank you. __ Donnie Jones -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.
Sorry, meant paypal On 8/6/08, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't suppose you'd take paysal and ship internationally? On 8/6/08, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make a profit. My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for the same price. Thank you. __ Donnie On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased FreeRunner. I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United States. It is completely new, barely used. I Just turned it on a couple of times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the battery. Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as described on the openmoko store page: * http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner* Please contact me if you are interested. I am located in the United States in Kentucky. Thank you. __ Donnie Jones -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: any update on GSM interference issue
arne anka wrote: PLEASE NOTE: I'm going to move this thread to [hardware]-ml and join it with another thread of same topic from [support], in a few hours. then i won't read it anymore -- i am already subscribed to community and support and it's almost more than i can read ... The hardware list has much less traffic than the community and support ones. You can also access the list through NNTP (Newsgroups) from http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.hardware , or read the archive at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/ , if you do not want to subscribe directly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS internet connection applet
Google translate works wonders... I got this nice little script working using the scaredycat repo for the packages. The script works awesomely for connecting and disconnecting. There is just the little issue of the GSM not being able to reconnect to the phone network after disconnecting ppp unless you restart X. -Tom - Original Message - From: Niccolo Rigacci [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:48:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: GPRS internet connection applet On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 12:33:32PM -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote: How did you get pygtk running? I have the problem here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 Installing was a little nightmare, because of repositories missing packages that were listed, etc. I had to wipe all the opkg lists, download packages from two different repo, and manually install them. Don't know if I can reproduce the recipe, howerver here I have the list of packages and the two repo I used: http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/freerunner#connessione_internet_via_gprs In Italian, sorry, but I think you can manage the list. -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)
Mike Montour wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found which is very odd, because I can type /usr/bin/scum[TAB], and it autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't see anything wrong. does anyone have any Ideas? For binaries this may indicate an OABI/EABI issue. There are different binary formats for ARM; Openmoko now uses EABI but binaries built for other platforms may be OABI. If you have binutils you can run readelf -l program and look for the Requesting program interpreter: line. If it's a shell script, then it may be a similar problem with the command interpreter, e.g. if the script's first line is #!/bin/bash but you do not have /bin/bash installed. p.s. I just checked the wiki page that was mentioned up-thread, and it looks like it's pointing to an old package from the 2007.1 days when Openmoko was using OABI binaries. There's a bitbake recipe for scummvm in OE so it should be easy to build an updated package if there's not one already available in the feeds. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community installed binutils, [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-linux.so.2] /lib/ld-linux.so.2 doesn't exist. tried symlinking it to /lib/ld-linux.so.3, but this gave me a pile of other errors about missing .so files, so I'd say you're on the right track. looks like tomorrow's project will be setting up the mokomakefile, and trying to compile scummvm. thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Making a clean and easy viewable overview page in the wiki
Hi, I started today an overview page in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Overview . It's supposed to be clean and easy viewable so everyone can fast find the information he's looking for. I have my freerunner just since this morning so I haven't done much in the wiki until now but I'm wiki-moderator on wiki.ubuntuusers.de the biggest german wiki about ubuntu and I would like to contribute my experience with wikis on openmoko. Any help, suggestions and additions are pretty welcome! ciao signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
Have a look at this: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5t=297st=0sk=tsd=ahilit=batterystart=15#p3525 (German Freeyourphone-Forum) You can download the ipk-Package in this thread. -- Tobias On Wednesday 06 August 2008 17:05:08 kazaam wrote: Hi, I have a Freerunner and I'm told to fully load it for the first time. But where can I check how full my battery is at the time? And where if it is loading at all? There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but it seems openmoko is running without acpi. Any idea would be great! bye ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 15:19:32 Michele Renda wrote: I think that before to test something you must to know what are you testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say: Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :) OM is just not there yet. Be fair, no excuses please :) *ducks* ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
Yesterday when I was running ASU and had had the FR plugged in overnight to its charger I looked at its screen and there was a popup window was saying your battery is really low, better recharge it soon (I paraphrase). I figured it was wrong. Since I was about to reflash it with FSO I checked the sysfs readings and found the entry that said this is probably most useful and it said 91 which I took to mean 91% so I figured it was okay. Maybe it meant 91% empty? I was able to put it on USB and reflash without incident. After putting FSO on it I now see an ambiguous battery picture. It either shows almost full or almost empty. Then the FR started going to sleep on me every 30 seconds or so. I would push the power button and it would wake up again. It did not issue any kind of warning, it would just fade to black. Eventually it seemed to die. So I plugged it back in to the official charger and went to bed to recharge my own batteries. I have not looked at it yet today. I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to know what the sysfs numbers mean -- why did ASU think the battery was dead when the sysfs said 91? I will try cat /proc/apm tonight but knowing how to interpret it would be good too. Can't I expect the FR to charge when it's plugged in to its own charger or is there something else I have to do? (I like the FSO image a lot more than ASU. But that would be a new topic.) Brian On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, kazaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:10:22 -0400 Joe DiTommasso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'cat /proc/apm' in the terminal will show you the current charge level, as well as the time to full charge or full discharge, depending on whether the device is plugged in or not. This shows me: # cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ? -1 % == battery_percentage -1 == battery_time is at least the description from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/37/Om-daemons.pdf But what shall those negative values mean?? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
Brian Wilson schrieb: I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to know what the sysfs numbers mean -- why did ASU think the battery was dead when the sysfs said 91? I will try cat /proc/apm tonight but knowing how to interpret it would be good too when i type apm -v i get a realy clear and readable answer. -- charging 91% (1:04:12) btw: it's charging over usb, so don't wonder why it needs 1 hour for 9% ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO adding packages
On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Stefan Schmidt wrote: No need. The framework takes care about enabling it when the first app starts to use it and turns it off when the last app stops using it. This is nice! But I am not getting a fix, tangoGPS is just dead. Valério asked the question if the current kernel has the GPS/SD card fix. Could it really be the case that the kernel is without it? It certainly looks like it. Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making a clean and easy viewable overview page in the wiki
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:26:53 +0200 Rorschach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started today an overview page in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Overview . It's supposed to be clean and easy viewable so everyone can fast find the information he's looking for. I have my freerunner just since this morning so I haven't done much in the wiki until now but I'm wiki-moderator on wiki.ubuntuusers.de the biggest german wiki about ubuntu and I would like to contribute my experience with wikis on openmoko. Any help, suggestions and additions are pretty welcome! ciao I wonder why this information can't be on the main page? That's where I'd look first for such info. Why a separate page? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making a clean and easy viewable overview page in the wiki
I would politely suggest you join the documentation mailing list and discuss it there. :-) -Steven On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Rorschach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started today an overview page in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Overview . It's supposed to be clean and easy viewable so everyone can fast find the information he's looking for. I have my freerunner just since this morning so I haven't done much in the wiki until now but I'm wiki-moderator on wiki.ubuntuusers.de the biggest german wiki about ubuntu and I would like to contribute my experience with wikis on openmoko. Any help, suggestions and additions are pretty welcome! ciao ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR at golem.de
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juergen Schinker wrote: his Graphics chip-set can do 3D Acceleration AFAIK Yes, but you can use it only if you promise that you will not show to others how to use it (NDA)! So, for me is like it doesn't exist! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFImeXPSIAU/I6SkT0RAn2rAJwOAVvDAN/+auf/th82Lh6CRP4b2QCfe7JL lAZqXEzwRizItbizqCBGyJI= =OKit -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO adding packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Stefan Schmidt wrote: | No need. The framework takes care about enabling it when the first app | starts to use it and turns it off when the last app stops using it. | | This is nice! | But I am not getting a fix, tangoGPS is just dead. Valério asked the question | if the current kernel has the GPS/SD card fix. Could it really be the case | that the kernel is without it? | It certainly looks like it. Current, ie, today and last week or so kernels have the SD card workarounds in place, the problem is likely something else. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZ5lUACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrv/QCgi1j1orQjHwWnBHXjdWM90759 xL0An2lRS6Cy5BlIw8IH58hqrQ6TG66c =96KY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO ringtone
Where is the FSO ring tone saved ? Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO email/ical clients?
has anyone been able to get a IMAP client or iCal client running on FSO? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
The last few percent always take longer to charge than the first 80. This is true of every battery I'm familiar with. The other thing to keep in mind is, how is it estimating that hour? I'm sure it's basing it on the current charge rate, which is going to be lower if you're at the terminal on the Neo typing in apm (because the screen is at full brightness drawing more power). -Steven On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Benedikt Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Wilson schrieb: I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to know what the sysfs numbers mean -- why did ASU think the battery was dead when the sysfs said 91? I will try cat /proc/apm tonight but knowing how to interpret it would be good too when i type apm -v i get a realy clear and readable answer. -- charging 91% (1:04:12) btw: it's charging over usb, so don't wonder why it needs 1 hour for 9% ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO email/ical clients?
The claws-email package works for IMAP... http://www.ginguppin.de/node/17 - Original Message - From: Greg Bonett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:34:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: FSO email/ical clients? has anyone been able to get a IMAP client or iCal client running on FSO? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.
Hello, I have listed the FreeRunner on Ebay for Buy It Now and Auction. I think that is probably the easiest way for all of us. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260271783637ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 Thank you. __ Donnie On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make a profit. My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for the same price. Thank you. __ Donnie On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased FreeRunner. I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United States. It is completely new, barely used. I Just turned it on a couple of times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the battery. Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as described on the openmoko store page: * http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner* Please contact me if you are interested. I am located in the United States in Kentucky. Thank you. __ Donnie Jones ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SOLD. Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.
Hello, FreeRunner has been sold, thank you! __ Donnie On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have listed the FreeRunner on Ebay for Buy It Now and Auction. I think that is probably the easiest way for all of us. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260271783637ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 Thank you. __ Donnie On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make a profit. My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for the same price. Thank you. __ Donnie On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased FreeRunner. I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United States. It is completely new, barely used. I Just turned it on a couple of times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the battery. Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as described on the openmoko store page: * http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner* Please contact me if you are interested. I am located in the United States in Kentucky. Thank you. __ Donnie Jones ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ubuntu on Freerunner
Has anyone tried the Ubuntu MID edition: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile or 'Hasty Hippogriff': http://mojo.handhelds.org/ Is there an easy way to try these on Freerunner? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO email/ical clients?
Thanks, the packaged installed without problems. I had been trying to compile it on the phone but wasn't having any luck. This looks like its going to work. Pretty fast too. The claws-email package works for IMAP... http://www.ginguppin.de/node/17 - Original Message - From: Greg Bonett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:34:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: FSO email/ical clients? has anyone been able to get a IMAP client or iCal client running on FSO? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Pin entry in 2008.08
Hi! OM 2008.08 (ASU) is scheduled to be released in two days. I tried the lates images from the buildhost and the PIN entry dialogue does not work at all. I'm using a SIM card which is known to work with the Freerunner. The PIN entry dialogue is displayed, I can enter the pin using the keyboard (switching to 'Numbers') and then hit Enter, but nothing happens. Has someone had success with a recent ASU image and the PIN entry? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
