date:20080829

Hi!

Thanks to a posting from Freerunner_User on the hardware mailing list
[1], I got hold of the hidden AT commands concerning the AEC and noise
reduction support of the TI Calypso. I quickly tried these commands and
it solves the echo problem for me. I injected
AT%N0187
using minicom and gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 while qpe was running. On the
next call the echo was gone. I have not modified my alsa .state files
at all and I'm running the official OM testing ASU branch.

I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some
instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the
command:

Instructions are from
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295

wget
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+gitr6fecc78198dd821bbe29efd096bd8fecd855179d-r0_armv4t.ipk
wget
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libdbus-1-3_1.2.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
wget
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libglib-2.0-0_2.16.4-r0_armv4t.ipk
wget
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libgcc1_4.2.4-r3_armv4t.ipk

$ opkg install libdbus-1-3_1.2.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
Multiple packages (libdbus-1-3 and libdbus-1-3) providing same name
marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (libdbus-1-3 and libdbus-1-3) providing same name
marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Upgrading libdbus-1-3 on root from 1.1.20-r2 to 1.2.1-r3...
Configuring libdbus-1-3

$ opkg install libgcc1_4.2.4-r3_armv4t.ipk
Multiple packages (libgcc1 and libgcc1) providing same name marked HOLD
or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (libgcc1 and libgcc1) providing same name marked HOLD
or PREFER. Using latest.
Upgrading libgcc1 on root from 4.1.2-r15 to 4.2.4-r3...
Configuring libgcc1

$ opkg install libglib-2.0-0_2.16.4-r0_armv4t.ipk
Multiple packages (libglib-2.0-0 and libglib-2.0-0) providing same name
marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Multiple packages (libglib-2.0-0 and libglib-2.0-0) providing same name
marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Upgrading libglib-2.0-0 on root from 2.16.1-r4 to 2.16.4-r0...
Configuring libglib-2.0-0

$ opkg install
gsm0710muxd_0.9.1\+gitr6fecc78198dd821bbe29efd096bd8fecd855179d-r0_armv4t.ipk
Multiple packages (gsm0710muxd and gsm0710muxd) providing same name
marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.
Installing gsm0710muxd
(0.9.1+gitr6fecc78198dd821bbe29efd096bd8fecd855179d-r0) to root...
Configuring gsm0710muxd

$ ln -s /etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd /etc/rc5.d/S34gsm0710muxd

Added the following lines to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia

identvar=$(date +%s)
ptsvar=$(dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call
--dest=org.pyneo.muxer /org/pyneo/Muxer
org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel string:$identvar | grep
string | awk -F '' '{ print $2 }')
export QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE=$ptsvar

rebooted

You should install minicom before requesting the modem device as muxd
seems to remove the device after a while of inactivity.

Now you can request a new device for the modem using:
identvar=$(date +%s)
dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.pyneo.muxer
/org/pyneo/Muxer
org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel string:$identvar | grep
string | awk -F '' '{ print $2 }'

It should print something like '/dev/pts/2'. Now use 'minicom -s' and
set the device under 'serial device' to the value printed by dbus-send.
Wait for a response to the AT initiation sequence and then type in:
AT%N0187

The modem should respond with a message that AEC and Noise reduction is
now on.

Call the Neo from another phone where you heard an echo before and see
if the echo is gone.

Cheers,
Florian

[1]
http://n2.nabble.com/calypso-hardware-echo-suppression--tp784752p786187.html
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Re: Re: FSO - DPI issues (remote X clients)

2008-08-29 Thread rhn

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Od: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do: community@lists.openmoko.org
Data: 28 sierpnia 2008 22:22
Temat: Re: FSO - DPI issues (remote X clients)

 Am Donnerstag 28 August 2008 22:13:24 schrieb rhn:
  How do I change the DPI so that any GTK X client knows what is right for
  me?
 
 Please don't. It is set correctly.
 
 Instead you might want to change the default size to something reasonable:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/local/pkg/fso/framework/framework# cat /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
 gtk-font-name = Sans 5
 
 -- 
 :M:

Thanks for the info, but that's already set in the image I use (one of 
yesterday's daily builds).

The local applications seem to know about this setting because TangoGPS has 
correct sizes.
Is there any way to make remote applications aware of it (or anything similar)?

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Michele Renda

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 - Matter Transporter / replicator (makes coffee machine redundant!)
 - Warp Drive
 - Holographic emitters
 - Laser cannons
 - Genuine People Personality Module


They are a MUST: Every Star Phone must have one :)
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Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.

2008-08-29 Thread Mikael Berthe

* Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-29 09:36 +0200]:
 
 What I don't understand is why the settings have to be phone dependant.
 If I'm not wrong, this settings depends not of the phone but of the gsm 
 operator.

I don't think so, I'm getting different results when I talk with people
using the same operator...
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Re: How many FR are there?

2008-08-29 Thread Michele Renda

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Michael Kluge wrote:
 There are 33660 downloads for numptyphysics up to now. Does anyone have a 
 higher number?

I never downloads it... but I will try! so add +1 !

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Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.

2008-08-29 Thread Andreas Zuber

Am Freitag, 29. August 2008 07.13:41 schrieb Dale Maggee:
 Daniel Selinger wrote:
  I've experimented with alsa settings for the last 3 hours and want to
  share my experience now.
  I was doing this on top of QTopia 4.3.2 and it's default
  gsmhandset.state file.
 
  The relevant mixer settings i found to, in my case completely eliminate
  the echo for the caller, are the following
  (Setting - Old Val - New Val):
 
  'Speaker Playback Volume' 127 - 100
  'Mono Playback Volume' 103 - 85
  'Mono Sidetone Playback Volume' 2 - 0
  'Bypass Playback Volume' 7 - 5
  'Mic2 Capture Volume' 0 - 3
 
  This settings removes the echo for the other person completely, at
  least for my hardware. I didn't hear any buzz either on my final
  testcalls, could be luck.
 
  The last thing remaining, is a bit of selfecho, which was also
  reduced with this settings but not away. (was as loud as the echo on the
  other phone with qtopia default gsmhandset.state). But didn't get away
  completely, but the other side doesn't hear anything of it.
 
  I also attach my gsmhandset.state for the case other distros have a
  different default file. (I was to lazy to check against .state of every
  distribution)
 
  If anyone has a configuration where he doesn't hear echo of himself
  talking at all, please please please provide me with an .state file, to
  check which controls are responsible for that!
 
  rgds Daniel
  

 These settings also removed my echo using 2007.2.

 woot!

 Note that using the settings you provided the other (non-neo) person was
 very quiet, I had to adjust one of the volume settings to be able to
 hear the other person (unfortunately I can't remember exactly which
 setting I changed, although I'm pretty sure it was the one labelled
 mono bypass in alsamixer. (set it at 100). Called my brother who had
 previously complained loudly and constantly about echo, and now he says
 there's no echo.

 I have never had problems of hearing an echo of myself, only complaints
 from everybody I talk to...

 this is awesome, thanks alot! :)

 -Dale


This is absolutly great, thx both of you!

I hope this gets fixed in the stable branch now. My tweak link list grows 
every day.

To OpenMoko.. is there a way to help you with the distribution? I don't like 
the idea of a personal repository for hotfixes like this, i think this should 
go directly to the official repo's. May be we can use git in a clever way to 
minimize the work you have with the integration of such changes. 

cheers
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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

2008-08-29 Thread Yorick Moko

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Florian Hackenberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!

I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some
instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the
command:

Instructions are from
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295

$ ln -s /etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd /etc/rc5.d/S34gsm0710muxd

Added the following lines to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia

rebooted

You should install minicom before requesting the modem device as muxd
seems to remove the device after a while of inactivity.

The modem should respond with a message that AEC and Noise reduction is
now on.

Call the Neo from another phone where you heard an echo before and see
if the echo is gone.

Cheers,
Florian

[1]
http://n2.nabble.com/calypso-hardware-echo-suppression--tp784752p786187.html
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Nice work!

I assume a comparable sollution for 2007.2 will also be possible.

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Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

On Thursday 28 August 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 Is there a way to use this in om2008.8?
If you have a look at the qtopia documentation at [1], you'll notice 
that their design is quite similar to FSO. They provide you with some 
interface classes and you can request an object which implements such 
an interface from a service. You can then use this object to interact 
with the service. There is for example the QPhoneCallManager interface 
which has a signal 'newCall'. This signal is emitted whenever a call 
comes in. Have a look at [2,3] for further details.

Cheers,
Florian

[1] http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3
[2] http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/phonelibrary.html
[3] http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qphonecallmanager.html


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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

On Friday 29 August 2008, Yorick Moko wrote:
 I assume a comparable sollution for 2007.2 will also be possible.
Very likely yes, but unfortunately I don't have the time to patch 
2007.2. Compiling one distribution using MokoMakefile takes long 
enough :-(

BTW, could you please avoid citing the complete mail when you hit on 
reply?

Cheers,
Florian

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FreeRunner for Sale, Newcastle upon Tyne (UK) - any reasonable offer accepted

2008-08-29 Thread Alex Kavanagh

Hi

It's very sad, but I've not had the time to play with the FreeRunner
(GTA02) than I wanted, and it doesn't look like I will soon.  I really
wanted to find the time, but I've simply been too busy earning a living.

It's barely used, and currently has OM2008 on the main flash, with FSO
Milestone 2 on the SD card.  The uboot is stock.

I've fitted a ZAGG screen protector to it, so the screen should be mint,
and I have the bits if you wish to remove the screen.  I also have all
of the original packaging.

I'm in Newcastle upon Tyne (UK) which is in the North East.  Will ship
it to anywhere in the UK.  My FreeRunner (yours soon?) is looking for
someone who can spend some time with it.  I'll be sorry to see it go.

My costs were (from Truebox) were:

£272.60 GBP for the Freerunner (delivery included).

It's yours for a reasonable offer!

I'll be at PyCon 2008 in Birmingham (12th and 13th of Sept, not 14th) if
you want to exchange there.

Cheers
Alex.

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-29 Thread Yorick Moko

Where can i find the tango icons?
like displayed on
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fc774c1747b60e76b13066dfc02758d7.png

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Re: Can you help the Openmoko booth at Software Freedom Day in Singapore on Sat. Sept. 20?

2008-08-29 Thread Chelsea Wei

All right. I will be more careful next time.
Thanks~
-Chelsea
 I'm no list maintainer but you probably shouldn't be replying to an existing 
 thread. I know hitting reply is easier but it clutters the archives.

 Just so you know ...

 Sarton


 On Tuesday 26 August 2008 16:46:28 Chelsea Wei wrote:
   
 Openmoko is pleased to be invited for an open source day event on
 Software Freedom Day in Singapore.

 We will love to have some openmoko presence in Singapore; nevertheless,
 we are small understaffed team, so we will love if some of you could
 commit to helping us.

 Software Freedom Day in Singapore will be held at Singapore Management
 University Campus (School of information Systems) on Saturday September
 20 from 10AM to 5PM. [http://www.softwarefreedomday.sg/]

 We will need approximately two volunteers for this event. For return, we
 will give away ONE debug board for each volunteer.

 If any of you is interested in helping us out, please let me know asap
 so I will be able to arrange for this event.

 Any help is extremely appreciated..

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Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.

2008-08-29 Thread Mav




Daniel Selinger wrote:
 
 
 I've experimented with alsa settings for the last 3 hours and want to
 share my experience now.
 I was doing this on top of QTopia 4.3.2 and it's default
 gsmhandset.state file.
 
 

Thanks a lot for your trick
The echo is now gone on Qtopia 4.3.2 and it's really a good news
As someone said, I can barely hear my correspondant but I guess it's only a
tune in the gsmhandset.state (I also tried to increase the Mono Bypass level
to 100 but it's not really improving situation (I will try with more than
100)

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

2008-08-29 Thread roguemoko

Hi Florian,

Florian Hackenberger wrote:
 I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some 
 instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the 

Will this patch make it upstream? I don't quite know the who's who of 
the openmoko world yet.

Thanks for finding something to address the problem at such a low level, 
effort greatly appreciated. It will save us all a lot of extra fiddling 
and you've probably opened the door to more people utilising the facility.

As a curiosity, do you know if the problem is inherent in the chip 
design/gta02 or is this fix possibly covering a misconfiguration 
somewhere? I only ask as it seems the feedback (routing?) is internal 
and I'd expect cancellation techniques would not normally need to be 
employed for the handset scenario.

Thanks again.

Sarton

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 color changes make NO power difference. really. zippo.

 Exactly... Common hoax [1]. :)


 [1] Darkgoogle? :P

Darkgoogle would presumably help on a crt display... It cuts down
intensity of the electron beam, which would save power. Not?

Christ van Willegen

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

2008-08-29 Thread Lorn Potter

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Florian,
 
 Florian Hackenberger wrote:
 I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some 
 instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the 
 
 Will this patch make it upstream? 

It will be in 4.4 yes. I haven't yet put it in 4.3.x snapshots.



 I don't quite know the who's who of 
 the openmoko world yet.
 
 Thanks for finding something to address the problem at such a low level, 
 effort greatly appreciated. It will save us all a lot of extra fiddling 
 and you've probably opened the door to more people utilising the facility.
 
 As a curiosity, do you know if the problem is inherent in the chip 
 design/gta02 or is this fix possibly covering a misconfiguration 
 somewhere? I only ask as it seems the feedback (routing?) is internal 
 and I'd expect cancellation techniques would not normally need to be 
 employed for the handset scenario.
 
 Thanks again.
 
 Sarton
 
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[Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

2008-08-29 Thread regina

Hi  guys  :-)


testing team use trac system quite often and i have discovered Trac is mess.

there are many duplicate tickets and some ticket's Describe is not so 
clear to understand to reproducible.

also we can not filter clearly  when use custom Query because when 
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so we want make roles of Create new tickets.

when you guys Report please follow below thing otherwise *we will close 
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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-29 Thread enaut

Yorick Moko schrieb:
 Where can i find the tango icons?
 like displayed on
 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fc774c1747b60e76b13066dfc02758d7.png
I downloaded them from Svn...
http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library


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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

2008-08-29 Thread roguemoko

Lorn Potter wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Hi Florian,

 Florian Hackenberger wrote:
 
 I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some 
 instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the 
   
 Will this patch make it upstream? 
 

 It will be in 4.4 yes. I haven't yet put it in 4.3.x snapshots.
   

Ah, and does this also then apply to om2008 though? Or is this an 
FSO/Qtopia only patch?

I'm still yet to figure out how much of what is adopted where.


Thanks for any info.

Sarton

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/etc/opkg

2008-08-29 Thread John Whitmore

Hello All,
Firstly I'm not here to moan at all. Love the phone love the SW, I 
was using OM2008.08 and it worked as my daily phone. I'm now trying 
Raster's images and they work as my daily phone. There have been a few 
lockups but in an Alpha that's expected.

Now the Question that I'd like to resolve is the /etc/opkg directory and 
what it contains. I've looked at the wiki page 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg; but it does not explain the 
configuration at all. I could look at the manual for ipkg but I don't 
know is that still valid, given that opkg has branched/augmented from ipkg.

Anyhow my problem is that I really want to understand this directory's 
contents as with so many distributions available and so many different 
repositories It would seem all too easy to mess up my current happy 
position with the default Raster build. I'm not sure about doing a opkg 
update, or upgrade or anything as yet.

If anybody can point me to some useful information that would be great. 
I tried the wiki and man opkg on the FR but that was being optimistic;-)

Thanks for any help

John

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Charles Pax

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :)

 Easy. Just find a food place that delivers and takes orders online. Wow, a
coffee machine you don't even need to clean. Find a delivery place that
takes orders over the phone and you have yourself a a voice-activated
system.

Seriously, an application that interacts with a food ordering/delivery site
like http://www.seamlessweb.com/ would be pretty cool. CoffeeMachine,
Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an application.

First the GPS TTFF issue and now this; many hardware problems can be fixed
with software.

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Re: /etc/opkg

2008-08-29 Thread roguemoko

Hi John,

John Whitmore wrote:
 Anyhow my problem is that I really want to understand this directory's 
 contents as with so many distributions available and so many different 
 repositories It would seem all too easy to mess up my current happy 
 position with the default Raster build. I'm not sure about doing a opkg 
 update, or upgrade or anything as yet.

 If anybody can point me to some useful information that would be great. 
 I tried the wiki and man opkg on the FR but that was being optimistic;-)
   

I installed the raster build this morning which included all the 
relevant feeds for au stable. I've opkg updated and upraded with no 
issues, well, outside the usual glitches you find in om2008.

All the repos provided in the image I obtained were for 
downloads.openmoko.org which is the currently active branch. It appears 
the image is only modified in so far as the scripts and configuration so 
as long a you don't overwrite configs, everything stays the same. That 
may not be true in the future but it seems to be fine now.

Just make sure your feeds are for downloads.openmoko.org and aren't 
pointing to testing and you should be right.

In the end, this is an educated guess so YMMV. No one has actually 
confirmed any of this since I've been listening in.

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Re: 2008.8 update

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Al Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Thursday 28 August 2008, Michele Renda wrote:
  Al Johnson wrote:
   While we're on the subject of bugs closed for obscure reasons, can you
   shed any light on why #1442 was closed? Is there really no intention to
   get the headset to work on ASU/2008.x?
 
  Where you inserted this bug?

 Not me. I just found it yesterday when someone asked about the headset not
 working. Looks like it was filed, and finally closed, by Openmoko QA.


It was me asking.  I still want a solution.  This is teh sux0rs.


  I watched the bug 1442:
 
  It seem to be that was setted as Qtopia bug, so they will not fix it.
  So I think they are working on the last framework, so they will not fix
  it in Qtopia, but in AsU (2008.8 and newer).
 
  Then it is only a my opinion, but I don't think that Openmoko doesn't
  want to let us to use our headset.

 I hope so, but the problem still exists in 2008.8 (Raster image plus zecke
 updates) and the ticket is closed so I fear it won't get any attention.


I would be really disappointed if this is true.  Actual usability of basic
phone functions should be tested thoroughly before release.  I use a
MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the huge difference in the
usability of the EZX interface and whatever I have seen here to be
insurmountable.  Yeah, of course, Motorola does not release EZX as open
source.
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Re: some hardware suggestions

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 - Genuine People Personality Module


Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't
talk on me about it modes?
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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

2008-08-29 Thread Radek Bartoň

Dne Thursday 28 of August 2008 01:29:54 Jim Morris napsal(a):
 Now with github goodness ;)

 I have created a github repository for this, in the hopes we can grow it
 into a useful tool.

 http://github.com/wolfmanjm/qtopiagps

 I have also written a blog entry on ho wto setup the toolchain for Qtopia..

 http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-
freerunner

 Oh and the name is now qtopiagps, as there was already a qtgps.

Do anyone have compiled package for share? Otherwise I would need to make one 
just to try an application :-). Thanks.

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Faculty of Information Technology
Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia
Brno University of Technology

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caught again by the 2007.2 dialler

2008-08-29 Thread William Kenworthy

Just got caught again by the 2007.2 dialler - on voicemail I was
expected to hit keys to delete messages etc, but the display is blank.
it wasnt even possible to hang up - I ended up pulling the battery!  Now
I have to go find another phone to put the sim into to sort out the
voicemail.

Is there a solution?

BillK


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Re: 2008.8 update

2008-08-29 Thread Fredrik Wendt

fre 2008-08-29 klockan 16:44 +0530 skrev Nishit Dave:
 Actual usability of basic phone functions should be tested thoroughly
 before release.  I use a MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the
 huge difference in the usability of the EZX interface and whatever I
 have seen here to be insurmountable.  Yeah, of course, Motorola does
 not release EZX as open source.

OpenMoko doesn't release the software as complete either - you bought
hardware with incomplete software.

I'm confident they'll adress that in time. If you can't wait you're
supposed to open the source and dig in yourself. That's just the way
things are (and looking at the amount of traffic you've added to this
list you should know by now).

/ Fredrik, still using a SonyEricsson phone as phone (playing with FR)


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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

2008-08-29 Thread Fredrik Wendt

fre 2008-08-29 klockan 18:36 +0800 skrev regina:

 Please Read this first  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bug_Filing_Policy

I'm sorry to say that the Trac is in a mess (I understand that you think
it is, I partly do to) but there's been a constant lack of clear
information on where and how to file bugs/issues.

I'm also sorry to ask why this information still isn't on
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/newticket - isn't that where it should've
be in the very first place?

(Don't expect the community to understand what you can't sort out
yourself (put information in the right place))

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Re: 2008.8 update

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 fre 2008-08-29 klockan 16:44 +0530 skrev Nishit Dave:
  Actual usability of basic phone functions should be tested thoroughly
  before release.  I use a MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the
  huge difference in the usability of the EZX interface and whatever I
  have seen here to be insurmountable.  Yeah, of course, Motorola does
  not release EZX as open source.

 OpenMoko doesn't release the software as complete either - you bought
 hardware with incomplete software.

 I'm confident they'll adress that in time. If you can't wait you're
 supposed to open the source and dig in yourself. That's just the way
 things are (and looking at the amount of traffic you've added to this
 list you should know by now).

 / Fredrik, still using a SonyEricsson phone as phone (playing with FR)

 If I could code 2 lines to save my life, don't you think I would be doing
something now?  I usually keep on asking questions, and try to help other
more clueless beings with my limited knowledge (e.g. on LUGs).
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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

2008-08-29 Thread Geoff Ruscoe

(Don't expect the community to understand what you can't sort out
 yourself (put information in the right place))


How about adding a link at the bottom of the front page of the wiki, next to
the forums links.

A File Bugs link that takes you to a page with everything you need to know
in order to file the bugs, search the bugs, etc.
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Re: /etc/opkg

2008-08-29 Thread John Whitmore

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi John,

 John Whitmore wrote:
   
 Anyhow my problem is that I really want to understand this directory's 
 contents as with so many distributions available and so many different 
 repositories It would seem all too easy to mess up my current happy 
 position with the default Raster build. I'm not sure about doing a opkg 
 update, or upgrade or anything as yet.

 If anybody can point me to some useful information that would be great. 
 I tried the wiki and man opkg on the FR but that was being optimistic;-)
   
 

 I installed the raster build this morning which included all the 
 relevant feeds for au stable. I've opkg updated and upraded with no 
 issues, well, outside the usual glitches you find in om2008.

 All the repos provided in the image I obtained were for 
 downloads.openmoko.org which is the currently active branch. It appears 
 the image is only modified in so far as the scripts and configuration so 
 as long a you don't overwrite configs, everything stays the same. That 
 may not be true in the future but it seems to be fine now.

 Just make sure your feeds are for downloads.openmoko.org and aren't 
 pointing to testing and you should be right.

 In the end, this is an educated guess so YMMV. No one has actually 
 confirmed any of this since I've been listening in.

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Thanks for getting back to me on this. I'll maybe try what you suggest 
but I'd like to understand that directory and it's contents. At present 
when I did the install I'd about five files in there and apart from the 
arch I don't know what any are supposed to do. I read a previous email 
here on Raster's build which said:

 2. Add zecke's testing repository : create a /etc/opkg/updates.conf
 containing
 
 src/gz daily-all-updates
 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all
 src/gz daily-armv4t-updates
 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t
 src/gz daily-neo1973-updates
 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973
 src/gz daily-om-gta02-updates
 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02


I moved all the other files in /etc/opkg to a backup directory and just 
used the ones mentioned above. Unfortunately none seemed to pull in 
anything but I'll have to check this again later as my internet 
connection might have been off. I'll include the au stable and see what 
that gives me.

I'll try edit the wiki page with the only information I know which is 
that the arch file should not be moved ;-)

John

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Re: some hardware suggestions

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't
 talk on me about it modes?

I was listening to Fit the First and Fit the Second yesterday and
today, but both modes don't 'do it' for me...

I'd rather have a mode that... just works.

This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. Hey, you're
close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these)
groceries. All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse...

This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that
is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible.
Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being
done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as
well.

Christ van Willegen
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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

On Friday 29 August 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lorn Potter wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Will this patch make it upstream?
  It will be in 4.4 yes. I haven't yet put it in 4.3.x snapshots.
 Ah, and does this also then apply to om2008 though? Or is this an
 FSO/Qtopia only patch?

Hmm...I'm glad to see that people are keen on integrating patches, but 
just as a reminder...there is no patch yet :-)

Lorn: Have you got one ready? Fancy sharing it with us?

Cheers,
Florian

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Alexey Kurochkin

On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote:

 CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an
 application.

I would call it Garçon.


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Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-08-29 Thread Michele Renda

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Hi All

I am tring to install numptyphysics in my FR with Debian and XFCE.

I downloaded:

http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3943/numptyphysics_0.2_armel.deb


I installed and it satisfy all dependencies except 2:

libosso-email-interface
libsdl1.2

I found a lbsdl1.2debian. Someone know how to continue?

Thank you to all

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GTA04

2008-08-29 Thread H.Hveem

Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?


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contacts: lookup on incoming call

2008-08-29 Thread Tom Yates

using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of 
friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in 
internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that 
way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.

but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having 
a local number (eg 07971 123456).

these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that 
happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the 
contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .

a) do other people find this also?

b) does this qualify as a bug?

c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion 
aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug 
tracker?


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Re: some hardware suggestions

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Christ van Willegen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life,
 don't
  talk on me about it modes?


 This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. Hey, you're
 close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these)
 groceries. All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse...


Yes.  And then we can sample our wives' voices to use with festival?



 This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that
 is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible.
 Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being
 done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as
 well.


We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].

Yours truly may be witnessed in the list - complaining about the FR.  I
really would love to see (a) reliable phone functions, and (b) GPRS GUI
working so I can exploit the FR's tremendous potential.

[1] http://www.glug-bom.org
[2]
http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html
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Re: Sold out ahh

2008-08-29 Thread Shawn Thompson

Well I placed my order with Koolu, should be here within the next 2 weeks I
hope.

-Shawn

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's
  in
  the pictures :(
  could you post a link to that pics?
  i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in
  lanyard hole)
 
  Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a
  severe oversight on our part.

 well, that would be comparably easy to fix, wouldn't it?

  Forgot to add that if we did, let me know - I think I have a spare one
  in my pocket :-)

 you got a lanyard hole in your pocket? who's your tailor?

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Re: GTA04

2008-08-29 Thread Fox Mulder

There is no GTA03 so why ask about GTA04?

These kind mails just fills the list up with nonsense mails which i have
to filter out afterwards. This is really annoying.
Sorry if i say it so directly, but this is what i think about it. :/

H.Hveem wrote:
 Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?
 
 
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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Tom Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of
 friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in
 internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that
 way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.

 but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having
 a local number (eg 07971 123456).

 these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that
 happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the
 contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .

 a) do other people find this also?

 b) does this qualify as a bug?

 c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion
 aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug
 tracker?

 FWIW, I think phones normally check the last few digits of a phone number,
and ignore the country code / area code part when looking up for contact
name.  Are you sure this is not just an issue with delay in the dialer look
up routine because of the call?  One way to check is if the name can be seen
in your call logs.
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gprs and gsm0710muxd

2008-08-29 Thread Geoff Ruscoe

So I was getting ready to update my 2008.08-update with the gprs and gsm
multiplexing.

Just as a note it sounds like this might be necessary in order to get the
ECHO fix using the hidden
AT%N0187 command anyway... but that another thread...

Anyway I was wondering if we knew that the gsm0710muxd from the updates
would still not work.
Also do we know if the instructions at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS

And one last thing it looks like option 2 (multiplex with no gui) does not
need the gsm.*muxd from the other site, is this correct?
I'm going to try that route and see how it goes.
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Re: gprs and gsm0710muxd

2008-08-29 Thread Geoff Ruscoe


 And one last thing it looks like option 2 (multiplex with no gui) does not
 need the gsm.*muxd from the other site, is this correct?
 I'm going to try that route and see how it goes.


First note:

opkg install gsm0710muxd (from the std 2008.08-updates) does not create an
/etc/init.d/gsm0710muxdso option 2 doesn't seem to work out of the box on
2008.08-updates...

More info to follow
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Re: GTA04

2008-08-29 Thread Daniel Benoy

Anyone know what they're planning to put in GTA279?

If it doesn't brain into cyberspace then what the hell??  Is this supposed to 
be your iPhone v73 killer?

On Friday 29 August 2008 08:53:15 Fox Mulder wrote:
 There is no GTA03 so why ask about GTA04?
 
 These kind mails just fills the list up with nonsense mails which i have
 to filter out afterwards. This is really annoying.
 Sorry if i say it so directly, but this is what i think about it. :/
 
 H.Hveem wrote:
  Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?
  
  
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GTA05 suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread H.Hveem

I suggest these names for GTA05
Neo Unity
Neo Meridian
Neo Elysian
Neo Gladsheim
Neo Ignis
Neo Yggdrasil



3GPP LTE Support ( via bluetooth ?)

Camera
Display
Multitouch screen

262k or 16.7M colors for displaying images and especially videos.

Distance sensing touchscreen ( can be operated with gloves )

Video acceleration

Hardware acceleration for video playback and 2D/3D acceleration



Transreflective screen


Input devices
Tablet PC like pen input (Wacom Technology)


Regular phone keypad


No Dependence on Stylus


QWERTY or Dvorák keyboard ( via usb )


D-Pad and Buttons

3 axis Accelerometer


Determine Position
Dynamic Screen Orientation

Side-Mounted Touch Strip

Digital compass

A digital compass is useful for orienting maps to the terrain and other
location/direction/orientation based applications (... is 300 meter that
way) when the user is standing still (regardless of GPS reception) and
for following a bearing when GPS reception is poor or speed is low. Also
could be used to make the accelerometer data more exact.



Auto Align Map
Thermometer


Barometer and Variometer (Altimeter) ( bluetooth or usb ? )

A Barometer measures air pressure. This can be used to give weather
information, and also as a variometer, to sense relative altitude.
Variometers are commonly used in flying microlight and ultralight
aircraft, to get accurate relative altitude.

These are also common on high end GPS units. This is a great feature for
walkers as you can tell how far you have got on any ascent/decent.





Light Sensor

Ability to sense ambient light, and act accordingly. i.e if it's 3am and
LightValue.1 then Ring Quietly.



Make all unlocking of phone, password protected


Storage
MMC/SD/SDIO slot (rather than?) miniSD or microSD
SDHC compatible.

Micro SDHC for /home partition. Keep like current design underneath SIM


Local Communication

NFC ( Near Field Communication ) chip
USB
5V Powered, to avoid having to carry around a hub for when you want to
occasionally plug in a memory stick.
USB 2.0
Protection against incorrectly wired USB ports: some USB ports are wired
incorrectly; if the +5V and GND are swapped, the device would get -5V
when it's expecting +5V, which could burn some chips. A reverse-biased
diode between +5V and GND, D+ and GND, D- and GND, and (if used) ID and
GND, with a low enough forward voltage drop (to limit the negative
voltages to what the chips can withstand), would protect the device by
tripping the port's short circuit protection.
SIR/FIR transceiver (Serial Infrared) / IR remote control

Output devices
LED
The Neo1973 GTA02 will have LEDs of some sort behind at least one
button. [1]
For example a multicolor LED which pulses yellow for GSM/GPRS transmit,
blue for Bluetooth/Wifi, green to indicate non-urgent information -
missed call etc, red to indicate battery low or other urgent notices.
The LED and button ideas could be combined: illuminated buttons.
It must be possible to completely disable the LED to save power or other
personal preferences.

Flashlight ( high output LED )
For finding keys, or any other application. May also optionally pulse in
time with ring, to make phone more visible. This is really well done in
Nokia 5500.







HAC Compliance ( telecoil )


Mobile Communication options

UMA/GAN
Evolved UMTS Terrestrial Radio Access (E-UTRA)
GSM/GPRS
quad-band EDGE
UMTS -  HSDPA (asia)





Dedicated Power / Charger Pinout


GLONASS/GPS receiver
A multi-standard satellite positioning module would be nice.


X10 RF Remote

RFID tag/RFID Reader


Standard 3.5mm headphone jack



Software should know of the jack status

faster boot time
A boot time of a minute is WAY to long!


Vibration

Instead of using a counter-weighted motor to provide a vibrate function,
a small solenoid could be used.It would provide more of a tap or click
feel. It could be used to provide feedback when a on screen button is
pressed. Different patterns of taps is a lot easier to recognize
compared to different vibration frequencies. For those who know morse
code they could have the phone tap out the phone number/name of the
person calling/messaging or other alerts.

Running without battery

Please make it possible to run the device without a battery inserted
(with the charger attached).

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Re: GTA04

2008-08-29 Thread Minh Ha Duong

H. Hveem: 

  You will find a more sympathetic audience in the #openmoko channel on the 
IRC server irc.freenode.net .

Minh

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TangoGPS 0.9.3 released

2008-08-29 Thread Risto H. Kurppa

Marcus has released TangoGPS 0.9.3:

http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/26-tangoGPS-0.9.3-release.html

Digest of the changes:

* keyboard shortcuts for convenient use on a laptop or eeePC:

  space: toggle fullscreen
  a: autocenter on
  1,2,3,4: switch maps
  Page Up/Page down: zoom

* POIs can be deleted now
* POI entry can be in decimal, minutes and miutes/seconds, i.e.

  47°30'30.5
  47°30.5567'
  47.1234567

* three repositories by default
* default map directory no longer /tmp but in home directory
* a marker get set when setting your position manually
* a line gets painted from a manual position to 'this point' for
easy distance measuring
* missing tiles get now correctly handled, no more garbled screen
* translations: Russian, Finnish, Czech
* and many more code improvements...



Thanks, way to go Marcus!

Would there now be some time to start a mailing list for interested
users  developers and also a SVN or BZR or.. repository..



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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

2008-08-29 Thread Tom Yates


On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Nishit Dave wrote:

FWIW, I think phones normally check the last few digits of a phone 
number, and ignore the country code / area code part when looking up for 
contact name.  Are you sure this is not just an issue with delay in the 
dialer look up routine because of the call?  One way to check is if the 
name can be seen in your call logs.


i'm fairly sure it's not so.  i've just tested by editing the contact. the 
incoming call when the contact was listed as +441223... showed as coming 
from a 'phone number, but when i edited the contact entry to 01223..., the 
call showed as coming from my home 'phone.


i'm not sure when the call log does the lookup - at time of call, or time 
of later examination of log - so i'm not sure that's a useful test.  i 
think my questions stand: does anyone else see this?



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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

2008-08-29 Thread Risto H. Kurppa

Yes, it's been a bit difficult to know if Any User is allowed to file
bugreps.. I know there has been some discussion that the track was
only an internal tool or something but it was more or less the only
place I found out to file bugs so I did.

One could just mail here what fails and.. that's it. Maybe a developer
reads it, maybe not. But I'd guess the track reports will be checked
sooner or later.

But yes, please do put this information in the track 'new ticket' page
so  person who goes there knows what's he/she supposed to be doing
before filing the ticket.


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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Tom Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i'm not sure when the call log does the lookup - at time of call, or time of
 later examination of log - so i'm not sure that's a useful test.  i think my
 questions stand: does anyone else see this?

I also prefer having my contacts in international format, and for
people in smaller countries (like mine) it's more important that
this gets handled properly. For me, it's only 20 miles to get out of
the country, and I regularly make calls from abroad as well.

I agree, telephone number matching to contacts should be improved.

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Re: some hardware suggestions

(to both lists...)

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
 ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].

 [1] http://www.glug-bom.org
 [2] 
 http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html

AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The
Netherlands includes India...

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Re: GTA04

2008-08-29 Thread Andreas Zuber

Am Freitag, 29. August 2008 14.45:11 schrieb H.Hveem:
 Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?


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This is a common question on this list.
I can only tell you the features i know for sure until now.

known features of GTA04:
- DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
- trans warp gate projector
- battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
- timemachine 
- build in stylus

This will be a great new gadget! May be you can use it to travel two years 
into the future an ask about GTA10

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Re: Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Kluge

 I downloaded: 
http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3943/numptyphysics_0.2_armel.deb

Won't work because they have a different CPU in the the n800/810. If I compile 
it for the FR with the same options used for the n800/810, it will crash due 
to an unknown instruction.

 I installed and it satisfy all dependencies except 2:

 libosso-email-interface
 libsdl1.2

Get the ipk (it's in the FSO repositories), extract and put things it into 
place. I have never done this myself, but might work.


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Re: GTA04

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Andreas Zuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am Freitag, 29. August 2008 14.45:11 schrieb H.Hveem:
  Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?
 
 
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 This is a common question on this list.
 I can only tell you the features i know for sure until now.

 known features of GTA04:
 - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
 - trans warp gate projector
 - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
 - timemachine
 - build in stylus

 This will be a great new gadget! May be you can use it to travel two years
 into the future an ask about GTA10

 There is definitely a use for such questions - for sharpening your wit.
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Re: OpenMoko ATT plans (Semi OT)

2008-08-29 Thread Kevin Brewster

I am currently using (for the past 3 weeks) the ATT GoPhone Pick Your
Plan. 

My experience: 

I was using an old T-Mobile phone with T-Mobile Pre-Paid service and
incorrectly assumed that I could not use the T-Mobile SIM card with the
Freerunner...

I went to Att's web site, signed up for a $39.99/month plan which
included 300 anytime minutes and 500 night and weekend minutes,
unlimited M2M, nationwide long distance, and rollover balance. I ordered
a pretty sweet Quad-band Pantech C120 phone for $24.99 ($100 online
instant rebate or something) so I could have a backup phone.

ATT's gophone plans seem pretty reasonable - you can
upgrade/downgrade/cancel your plan at any point (obviously taking effect
the next monthly cycle).

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/go-phones/index.jsp


I got the freerunner and the ATT phone and the ATT sim card all on the
same day. The ATT SIM worked perfectly with both phones. The T-Mobile
SIM worked with the freerunner except I couldn't see all my contacts.
After searching many hours on google for a way to unlock the pantech
phone, I just called ATT and asked them for it - and they gave it to me,
no questions asked. 

I could then pop the T-mobile SIM into the pantech, copy my contacts to
the phone and then back to the SIM, and then I could see all my contacts
on the freerunner. 

So now I have a T-Mobile SIM and an ATT SIM, both work with both phones.
I can make phone calls no problem, can text no problem. 

By no problem I mean the phone calls go through - not that the quality
is any good. People on the other end complain of echoing or wierd
high-pitched noises. Plus the default volume is much too low. But
hopefully these issues will be resolved in time.

I have not even attempted to get GPS working BTW.


On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:15 -0700, Rodney Myers wrote:
 I'm anxiously waiting for my phone (Thanks NYC), and for my contract  
 with verizon to finally expire next month.
 
 When I switch to ATT, only GSM provider that has decent coverage in my  
 area, I was wondering what plans this groups uses, to get the most out  
 of the phone?
 
 Basic phone service, SMS/text messages, and I like the GPS feature.
 
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Re: OpenMoko ATT plans (Semi OT)

2008-08-29 Thread Kevin Brewster

I am currently using (for the past 3 weeks) the ATT GoPhone Pick Your
Plan. 

My experience: 

I was using an old T-Mobile phone with T-Mobile Pre-Paid service and
incorrectly assumed that I could not use the T-Mobile SIM card with the
Freerunner...

I went to Att's web site, signed up for a $39.99/month plan which
included 300 anytime minutes and 500 night and weekend minutes,
unlimited M2M, nationwide long distance, and rollover balance. I ordered
a pretty sweet Quad-band Pantech C120 phone for $24.99 ($100 online
instant rebate or something) so I could have a backup phone.

ATT's gophone plans seem pretty reasonable - you can
upgrade/downgrade/cancel your plan at any point (obviously taking effect
the next monthly cycle).

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/go-phones/index.jsp


I got the freerunner and the ATT phone and the ATT sim card all on the
same day. The ATT SIM worked perfectly with both phones. The T-Mobile
SIM worked with the freerunner except I couldn't see all my contacts.
After searching many hours on google for a way to unlock the pantech
phone, I just called ATT and asked them for it - and they gave it to me,
no questions asked. 

I could then pop the T-mobile SIM into the pantech, copy my contacts to
the phone and then back to the SIM, and then I could see all my contacts
on the freerunner. 

So now I have a T-Mobile SIM and an ATT SIM, both work with both phones.
I can make phone calls no problem, can text no problem. 

By no problem I mean the phone calls go through - not that the quality
is any good. People on the other end complain of echoing or wierd
high-pitched noises. Plus the default volume is much too low. But
hopefully these issues will be resolved in time.

I have not even attempted to get GPS working BTW.


On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:15 -0700, Rodney Myers wrote:
 I'm anxiously waiting for my phone (Thanks NYC), and for my contract  
 with verizon to finally expire next month.
 
 When I switch to ATT, only GSM provider that has decent coverage in my  
 area, I was wondering what plans this groups uses, to get the most out  
 of the phone?
 
 Basic phone service, SMS/text messages, and I like the GPS feature.
 
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread robin paulson

Christ van Willegen wrote:
 (to both lists...)
 
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
 ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].
 
 [1] http://www.glug-bom.org
 [2] 
 http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html
 
 AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The
 Netherlands includes India...

and china

china and india need lots of correction/tidying work though; some of the 
roads are a long way off

plus, new zealand have recently agreed to let their road and property 
databases be included

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Dale Maggee

Nishit Dave wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 - Genuine People Personality Module

 

 Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't
 talk on me about it modes?

   
I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny 
disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction 
to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably 
quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a 
self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)


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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

2008-08-29 Thread Dale Maggee

Tom Yates wrote:
 using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of 
 friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in 
 internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that 
 way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.

 but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having 
 a local number (eg 07971 123456).

 these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that 
 happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the 
 contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .

 a) do other people find this also?

 b) does this qualify as a bug?

 c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion 
 aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug 
 tracker?
   
a) yes, I see the same thing. My workaround: Add the number in both 
formats to the contact (although this isn't strictly neccessary, because 
in AU on the vodafone network numbers seem to appear in the 
international format, so if the number is in the contact in the 
international format it generally works)

b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a feature...

c) not exclusive to qtopia (I'm using 2007.2), but I suspect that it's a 
bug/feature common to more than one set of dialer / messaging / contacts 
programs, although I may be wrong.

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Shawn Thompson

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Nishit Dave wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
  - Genuine People Personality Module
 
 
 
  Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life,
 don't
  talk on me about it modes?
 
 
 I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny
 disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction
 to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably
 quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a
 self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)


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Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the
GSM and stated, I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed.
Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world
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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

2008-08-29 Thread Shawn Thompson

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Tom Yates wrote:
  using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
  20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of
  friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in
  internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that
  way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.
 
  but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just
 having
  a local number (eg 07971 123456).
 
  these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that
  happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the
  contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .
 
  a) do other people find this also?
 
  b) does this qualify as a bug?
 
  c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion
  aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug
  tracker?
 
 a) yes, I see the same thing. My workaround: Add the number in both
 formats to the contact (although this isn't strictly neccessary, because
 in AU on the vodafone network numbers seem to appear in the
 international format, so if the number is in the contact in the
 international format it generally works)

 b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a feature...

 c) not exclusive to qtopia (I'm using 2007.2), but I suspect that it's a
 bug/feature common to more than one set of dialer / messaging / contacts
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b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a feature...
By calling it a feature I feel compelled to ask, are you a Microsoft
employee?
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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

2008-08-29 Thread malte

Hi

I know this problem from the cryptosms.org project.

basically the telco is providing/sending the incoming number (not the
phone). the format of this number seems to vary even with the same
telco. I've seen these

+49 179...
0049 179...
49 179...
0179...

I'm not sure if this list shows all possible 'encodings'.

Does anyone know if there is a standard on how to translate these
numbers into each other, which are valid and which not?

greetings
malte

Dale Maggee wrote:
 Tom Yates wrote:
 using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of 
 friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in 
 internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that 
 way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.

 but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having 
 a local number (eg 07971 123456).

 these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that 
 happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the 
 contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .

 a) do other people find this also?

 b) does this qualify as a bug?

 c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion 
 aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug 
 tracker?
   
 a) yes, I see the same thing. My workaround: Add the number in both 
 formats to the contact (although this isn't strictly neccessary, because 
 in AU on the vodafone network numbers seem to appear in the 
 international format, so if the number is in the contact in the 
 international format it generally works)
 
 b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a feature...
 
 c) not exclusive to qtopia (I'm using 2007.2), but I suspect that it's a 
 bug/feature common to more than one set of dialer / messaging / contacts 
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Re: caught again by the 2007.2 dialler

2008-08-29 Thread clare johnstone

And I thought I had a problem on FSO Milestone 2 because of unable to
send numbers back to Voicemail - but I did have a hangup  button :)

And I *was*  fascinated to get Voicemail...
still hoping...
clare

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just got caught again by the 2007.2 dialler - on voicemail I was
 expected to hit keys to delete messages etc, but the display is blank.
 it wasnt even possible to hang up - I ended up pulling the battery!  Now
 I have to go find another phone to put the sim into to sort out the
 voicemail.

 Is there a solution?

 BillK


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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:26 PM, malte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi

 I know this problem from the cryptosms.org project.

 basically the telco is providing/sending the incoming number (not the
 phone). the format of this number seems to vary even with the same
 telco. I've seen these

 +49 179...
 0049 179...
 49 179...
 0179...

 I'm not sure if this list shows all possible 'encodings'.

 Does anyone know if there is a standard on how to translate these
 numbers into each other, which are valid and which not?


 I used to own an Ericsson T10s so many years ago.  That phone had the
simplistic solution of checking the last 7-8 digits of the number. Of
course, this can create confusion in the rare case that you have special
numbers for your different phones, or the last part shared by contacts.
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xfce on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-08-29 Thread Christian Adams

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hi,
in xfce-main-menu i need three clicks to open a submenu. someone an  
idea on this?

regards, morlac

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Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release

2008-08-29 Thread Vince M. Clark

Does anyone know when 4.4 will be released? There was a thread a couple of 
months ago where a Trolltech person just said soon but would not be more 
specific. 

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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:59:06 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release 

Lorn Potter wrote: 
 Jim Morris wrote: 
 Lorn Potter wrote: 
 Hi all, 

 Trolltech released Qtopia 4.3.2 this week, and the GPL sources hit 
 the ftp server recently. 
 ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2.tar.gz 

 I did a build from the Qtopia snapshot last night, does this mean I 
 will already have gotten the updates? 

 You should be good to go! 

Great thanks, I also noticed that ssl and tls were now enabled on email. 

Is there a reason that handwriting recognition input is not in the snapshot 
sources? 

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Re: softfloat or hardfloat ?

2008-08-29 Thread Håvard Moen

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:25:16 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
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 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
  Our toolchains are softfloat by default.
  
 
 
 someone know which are the setting used to cross compile Debian in armv4?

http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

2008-08-29 Thread Alex Fitzpatrick

Lorn Potter wrote:
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 Hi Florian,

 Florian Hackenberger wrote:
 
 I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some 
 instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the 
   
 Will this patch make it upstream? 
 

 It will be in 4.4 yes. I haven't yet put it in 4.3.x snapshots.
   

I assume that a bug will be associated with this in trac. It would be 
very useful if you could announce on the mailing list when your fix has 
landed in an official build so we can validate the fix.

Awesome work BTW!

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Re: xfce on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-08-29 Thread arne anka

 in xfce-main-menu i need three clicks to open a submenu. someone an
 idea on this?

i noticed it too -- sometimes even more.
i somehow think the menu is populated every time it's expanded --  
subsequent submenus expand on first click.

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Helping Openmoko distribution team (was: Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.)

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Shiloh



Andreas Zuber wrote:
snip
 
 I hope this gets fixed in the stable branch now. My tweak link list grows 
 every day.
 
 To OpenMoko.. is there a way to help you with the distribution? I don't like 
 the idea of a personal repository for hotfixes like this, i think this should 
 go directly to the official repo's. May be we can use git in a clever way to 
 minimize the work you have with the integration of such changes. 


Some of our developers are buried trying to keep up with new and old bug 
reports. Each one needs to be verified, checked for duplication, checked 
for whether it's been solved, and this is all before any real bug fixing 
takes place.

I don't want to speak for those developers, but I wonder if the 
community can help us with some of these tasks. I know that one of our 
main developers said that he spent some 30% of his time on this.

This would free up developer time to work on getting fixes into the distro.

Michael

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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Shiloh



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 regina wrote:
 *# Please Search ticket before Report (maybe already somebody report )*

 *#* *if you are not sure it is a bug or not , please visit here  
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Cases
 and leave messages
   
 
 What you need is a full-time faq updater :)

That's exactly what I'm becoming :-). Look for a lot of cleanup work in 
the FAQ in the next few days, and then hopefully it will be easier to 
insert to FAQs in a timely fashion.



 Most of the answers could realistically be the question 'please submit 
 patch' though I suppose :)

!!

 
 Good luck!
 
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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-29 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Christ van Willegen wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 color changes make NO power difference. really. zippo.
 Exactly... Common hoax [1]. :)


 [1] Darkgoogle? :P
 
 Darkgoogle would presumably help on a crt display... It cuts down
 intensity of the electron beam, which would save power. Not?

Yes for CRT, but how many CRT are there nowadays? :)
Darking going OT... :P

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ePDFviewer and reflowing text

Hi there,

I have installed ePDFviewer from http://www.ginguppin.de/node/21 after
loading all missing dependencies from the feed at
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/ (and it
was a long list!)

It's working fine now, but I wanted to know if there is a way in ePDFview to
reflow text.  I have the Picsel Viewer application on my MotoRokr E6, which
allows me to open PDFs and other formats, and in many cases, it allows
reflowing of text so that it fits the small screen but is still easily
readable.

Such functionality would be quite useful for the FR too.  Does anybody have
any ideas / experience?
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Re: GTA05 suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Radek Bartoň

Dne Friday 29 of August 2008 15:27:15 H.Hveem napsal(a):


 Make all unlocking of phone, password protected


 Storage
 MMC/SD/SDIO slot (rather than?) miniSD or microSD
 SDHC compatible.

 Micro SDHC for /home partition. Keep like current design underneath SIM

Card accesible from outside would be great too. Disassembling hood and SIM 
card is really annoying so far.

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Faculty of Information Technology
Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia
Brno University of Technology

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Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-29 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Yorick Moko wrote:
 Where can i find the tango icons?
 like displayed on
 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fc774c1747b60e76b13066dfc02758d7.png

Oh, I forgot to upload the archive I've made after sending the shot with 
gpe-scap, however now they're all in this archive [1].
Now, pyPenNotes looks definitively better [2]! :D

Bye!


[1] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/openmoko-tango-stock.tar.gz
[2] 
http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/Illume-tangoized+moko-sun-gtk+tango-pyPenNotes.png


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Re: Wiki focus - user versus developer documentation

2008-08-29 Thread Minh Ha Duong

So the answer to the question of Do we use namespace here ? is no. I think 
it's the good answer too, and I am glad we reached the conclusion quickly and 
rationally.

  When the wiki is renamed we will move the handfull of meta pages about the 
wiki in the appropriate namespace.

  What do you mean by redesign the front page ? It already separates Users, 
Developpers, and Unenlightened.

Minh

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Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.

2008-08-29 Thread Al Johnson

On Friday 29 August 2008, Mikael Berthe wrote:
 * Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-29 09:36 +0200]:
  What I don't understand is why the settings have to be phone dependant.
  If I'm not wrong, this settings depends not of the phone but of the gsm
  operator.

 I don't think so, I'm getting different results when I talk with people
 using the same operator...

All these settings are doing is changing the gain of the mic and the playback 
volume in the earpiece. We have no control over the gain in either direction 
between your GSM modem and the other party. There will be a variation in the 
level of acoustic coupling between the earpiece and the mic of the Freerunner 
too. Whether the other party hears any echo depends on the gain around the 
whole loop, not just the bit we can control with alsamixer. This is before we 
get into differences in sensitivity to echo, or whether the telco might 
employ echo cancellation or suppression somewhere in the line. This is why 
you will find differences between calls to different people.

Any static mixer setting like this will be a compromise. To reduce the echo 
heard at the other end you can set the earpiece volume and mic gain to as low 
as you can get away with. How low this is will depend on your hearing, the 
background noise level, how loudly you speak, and how you hold the phone, 
plus the bits that are out of your control. This is why there are several 
gsmhandset.state files out there with different settings that people find 
work for them.

There are other things that may work better though. The wolfson audio chip has 
onboard active level control and noise gate functions which may be usable for 
echo suppression. This would drop the mic gain when you aren't speaking, 
cutting echo, but bring it up when you are speaking so that the other party 
can hear you. There is also a suggestion that the GSM chipset can do echo 
suppression. Finally we may be able to echo cancellation with the CPU.

If you want to try changing the settings I suggest you look at the wiki pages:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WM8753
The mic level is controlled by Mic2 Capture Volume (control.48), Mono 
Sidetone Playback Volume (control.12) and Mono Playback Volume (control.5) 
while the earpiece volume is controlled by Bypass Playback Volume 
(control.6) and Speaker Playback Volume (control.4)

I've not detailed my attempts at getting the wolfson noise gate working as so 
far I've not found anything that's better than a compromise without the noise 
gate, and changing the noise gate settings doesn't affect things as I would 
expect. I guess I'm missing something about how it works. The first thing to 
do is to set the signal routing to send the mic2 signal through the ALC Mux, 
the left PGA then back down to the Mic Mux. This is the routing suggested for 
voice on the audio subsystem wiki page, but it is not how it is set in the 
supplied gsmhandset.state. Controls 59 through 62, the ALC Mixer xxx Capture 
Switch settings, are already set correctlywith Mic2 (60) true and the others 
false. Mic Sidetone Mux (63) should be set to 'Left PGA'. Now the fun 
starts ;-) I think Capture Left Mux (65) should be 'PGA' and the ALC 
controls are 28 through 37, but since playing with these doesn't give me the 
results I expect from an AGC or noise gate I think I'm missing something, 
probably in the capture settings to get the mic signal into the ALC. I hope 
this helps someone make more progress than I have, but I'll keep trying.

The possible GSM chipset capability is discussed in this thread:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000451.html

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Problems mounting microSD card in Debian

2008-08-29 Thread Aaron Sells

I have Debian running in Flash on my Freerunner
(http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash) and it works
great.  However, my microSD card is not being detected.  I receive the
following message during bootup:

 mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising MMC card

and /dev/mmcblk0p1 is not created.  Has anyone run into this problem?
Any ideas for a workaround?


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Re: New tslib xsrelease with right click

2008-08-29 Thread Andre Roth


Hello,

this works nicely for xfce, however using fluxbox nothing happens. 
a right click over X11vnc shows the fluxbox menu. 

does the right click somehow depend on the window manager ?

regards

 andré

 there is a new upstream release in the debian repository. so here is a
 new package with the right click by tap+hold patch. it can be downloaded
 from http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.5-1
 +fso1_armel.deb . you also have to change your pointercal file because
 the package is now based on the new debian package. just download it
 from http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal-fso and save
 it to /etc/pointercal .
 
 -- 
 Yours
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Re: GTA04

2008-08-29 Thread Yogiz


 known features of GTA04:
 - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
 - trans warp gate projector
 - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
 - timemachine 
 - build in stylus
 

Ah, a stylus holder. Most excellent.

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-29 Thread Mikhail Gusarov

Twas brillig at 18:36:43 29.08.2008 UTC+02 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and 
gimble:

 MT( Yes for CRT, but how many CRT are there nowadays? :)

Lots of, if you count not only geeks, but rest of the humanity.

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Tichy and pygame on OM2008.8 update

2008-08-29 Thread yves mahe

Hi,

I finally install pygame and tichy on OM2008.8 update (27/08/2008)

I used

- opkg install 
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/libsmpeg-0.4-0_0.4.4+0.4.5cvs20040311-r0_armv4t.ipk
- opkg install 
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/python/python-pygame_1.7.1-ml2_armv4t.ipk

I lazily patch tichy here in tichy/tichy/timeservice/timeservice.py
line 45
 # self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add_seconds(1, 
self.time_changed)
 self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add(1, self.time_changed)

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

2008-08-29 Thread Al Johnson

On Friday 29 August 2008, Florian Hackenberger wrote:
 Hi!

 Thanks to a posting from Freerunner_User on the hardware mailing list
 [1], I got hold of the hidden AT commands concerning the AEC and noise
 reduction support of the TI Calypso. I quickly tried these commands and
 it solves the echo problem for me. I injected
 AT%N0187
 using minicom and gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 while qpe was running. On the
 next call the echo was gone. I have not modified my alsa .state files
 at all and I'm running the official OM testing ASU branch.
 Cheers,
   Florian

 [1]
 http://n2.nabble.com/calypso-hardware-echo-suppression--tp784752p786187.htm
l

I was installing FSO to try those commands too. I just tried AT%N0187 and it 
works. If you push the mic gain right up it will eventually start to break 
through, but this is _much_ better than before. It's really easy to run on 
FSO as gsm0710muxd and mickeyterm are already running. Just start a terminal, 
run mickeyterm and issue the AT command, then exit with Ctrl-D. All 
subsequent calls will be affected. You can even turn it off again mid call 
using AT%N0001 if you want to compare back to back. I haven't tried fine 
tuning  with any of the other values yet.

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-29 Thread Petr Vanek

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:50:27 +0200
Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Now, pyPenNotes looks definitively better! :D

oh, this is the app [1] i was looking for :), thank you!

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPenNotes

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Re: Tichy and pygame on OM2008.8 update

2008-08-29 Thread yves mahe


I tried to use cython for the tichy's GUI because it's  really slow:

opkg install gcc make gcc-symlinks

and the make fails :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tichy/tichy/guic# make
cc -c -fPIC -I. -I/usr/include/python2.5/ 
-L/usr/local/openmoko/arm/usr/lib/ -O3 -fno-strict-aliasing geo.c -o geo.o
cc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
make: *** [geo.o] Error 1


I will investigate later.
Yves Mahé


yves mahe wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I finally install pygame and tichy on OM2008.8 update (27/08/2008)
 
 I used
 
 - opkg install 
 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/libsmpeg-0.4-0_0.4.4+0.4.5cvs20040311-r0_armv4t.ipk
 - opkg install 
 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/python/python-pygame_1..7.1-ml2_armv4t.ipk
 
 I lazily patch tichy here in tichy/tichy/timeservice/timeservice.py
 line 45
  # self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add_seconds(1, 
 self.time_changed)
  self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add(1, self.time_changed)
 
 Yves Mahé


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