Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
well ... in tree years 3g chipsets will down the price ;), and also 8
Mpx cameras will be cheap XD, even microprojectors maybe  affordable.
Sean then I have time to teach kernel hacking to my two years daughter
to hack the  GTA04

2008/12/23 Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com:

 On 12/23/08 AVee wrote:
 Regardless, there may well be a Reverse Osborne Effect as well, I
 bought a
 Freerunner, but right now I probably wouldn't buy one again, but wait
 for the
 GTA03. If there was a definitive statement telling me that would take
 at
 least an other year to get done I might just buy a GTA02.

 GTA03 is at least 3 years away. Do you want to buy three GTA02s now? ;-)

   -Sean

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Re: 2008.12 and USB network Ubuntu Intrepid

2008-12-23 Thread Simon Kagstrom
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:11:00 +0100
Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

 What complete set of configuration changes and shell scripts are you
 using? Please update the Wiki if it is out of date because once I got
 it running and now (because I'm not a networking/iptables crack) it
 is not anymore. Thanks.

Probably the wiki instructions work for some/most distributions, I was
just unable to get it working for Ubuntu (Hardy heron). What I do is
just

  iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
  sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1

and then run the script I pasted. The above stuff is from the Wiki.
There is probably some proper fix for the problem, but I don't know how
it's supposed to work (editing /etc/network/interafces doesn't work
for me at least).

// Simon

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Re: [Android]

2008-12-23 Thread Wendy
Hi, 

I did some Android image from Sean Mcneil review in devel list.
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-December/003877.html

I don't know why, but for me i can't use the media player. The application is 
there and can lounch it, just can't play song (I'll try that more).

Regards,
Wendy

On Monday 22 December 2008 00:10:09 rakshat hooja wrote:
 I was in the process of flashing android for the first time. I understand
 only GSM works on android (no wifi or gps) and thats ok with me. Just had
 two questions

 1) Is there a media player inbuilt in the android flash image?
 2) Should one flash the Kolou beta image or Sean's image?

 Thanks

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[2008.12] first impressions

2008-12-23 Thread To M
July 18th I received my FR and haven't been able to use it as a daily phone
since that day. I have tried some distro's (including testing versions) and
also Qtopia, everyone had some major issues that prevented me from using
them.
Basic gsm functionality: SMS, phone (receiving and calling), waking up from
suspend should work out of the box IMO.

2008.12 still isn't able to do the basic stuff reliable (after 3 days of
testing).

- Went into deep sleep and needed to remove my battery twice to be able to
use the phone again (Once after a game of Sudoku and once after trying out
gps).
- One shutdown after suspend. Needed to reboot (battery was a bit low)
- Sound quality of receiving phone calls is not very good IMO.
- Once phone call was disconnected (no low battery)
- When answering a call, it takes 1 or 2 seconds before the other side hears
you.
- Keyboard is not very usable. Why should entering your sim pin be such a
hassle and don't even start about creating sms messages (haven't tried it
yet).

The good.

- No echo or buzz for me.
- Booting time is fine.
- wake up from suspend for sms messages and calls seem to work fine
- battery life is ok

The best thing from this release is that missing calls or sms messages
without warning didn't happen (yet?). For some this image might be good
enough, I'm not there yet. It feels slow and still unreliable, keyboard is a
known annoyance just as the muted state after answering a call.

But this is probably the first image I have ever used longer than 1 day...
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Re: [Android]

2008-12-23 Thread Andreas Wallin
I think there has been some issues with software license,

The multimedia codecs is not in the android software for the freerunner.



Wendy wrote:
 Hi, 

 I did some Android image from Sean Mcneil review in devel list.
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-December/003877.html

 I don't know why, but for me i can't use the media player. The application is 
 there and can lounch it, just can't play song (I'll try that more).

 Regards,
 Wendy

 On Monday 22 December 2008 00:10:09 rakshat hooja wrote:
   
 I was in the process of flashing android for the first time. I understand
 only GSM works on android (no wifi or gps) and thats ok with me. Just had
 two questions

 1) Is there a media player inbuilt in the android flash image?
 2) Should one flash the Kolou beta image or Sean's image?

 Thanks

 Rakshat
 



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Re: [2008.12] first impressions

2008-12-23 Thread flamma
 For some this image might be good
 enough, I'm not there yet. It feels slow and still unreliable,

I had a long time without using 2008.X (currently Qt Extended is my main
stack), and I found 2008.12 sensible quicker, more responsive than 2008.9.
Qtopia apps are the worst, and they seem still laggy. I dream them to be
removed for paroli.


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Re: Enlightenment

2008-12-23 Thread Frederik Sdun
Hi,

you missed to add which libraries you want to link. E.g.: -lewl

Regards, Frederik

Am Montag, den 22.12.2008, 13:35 +0100 schrieb Peter Stumm:
 Hi, 
 i have installed enlightenment with the easy_e17.sh script from
 http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh , 
 first i can't compile notification and screenshot (i skipped these)
 
 then i want to compile a little program i have from the ewl book
 #include stdio.h
 #include Ewl.h
 void destroy_cb(Ewl_Widget *w, void *event, void *data) {
 ewl_widget_destroy(w);
 ewl_main_quit();
 }
 int main(int argc, char ** argv) {
 Ewl_Widget *win = NULL;
 if (!ewl_init(argc, argv)) {
 printf(Unable to init ewl\n);
 return 1;
 }
 win = ewl_window_new();
 ewl_window_title_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL Window);
 ewl_window_name_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL_WINDOW);
 ewl_window_class_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWLWindow);
 ewl_object_size_request(EWL_OBJECT(win), 200, 100);
 ewl_callback_append(win, EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW,
 destroy_cb, NULL);
 ewl_widget_show(win);
 ewl_main();
 return 0;
 }
 i compiled the code with
 gcc main.c -I/opt/e17/include/ewl  -I/opt/e17/include/
 -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0  -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0/eina
 -L/opt/e17/lib/ewl 
 
 then i get following errors
 /tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `destroy_cb':
 main.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_destroy'
 main.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ewl_main_quit'
 /tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `main':
 main.c:(.text+0x3b): undefined reference to `ewl_init'
 main.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `ewl_window_new'
 main.c:(.text+0x72): undefined reference to
 `ewl_window_title_set'
 main.c:(.text+0x85): undefined reference to
 `ewl_window_name_set'
 main.c:(.text+0x98): undefined reference to
 `ewl_window_class_set'
 main.c:(.text+0xb3): undefined reference to
 `ewl_object_size_request'
 main.c:(.text+0xb8): undefined reference to
 `EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW'
 main.c:(.text+0xd7): undefined reference to
 `ewl_callback_append'
 main.c:(.text+0xe2): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_show'
 main.c:(.text+0xe7): undefined reference to `ewl_main'
 collect2: ld gab 1 als Ende-Status zurück
 
 hope you can help me
 
 
 
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[2008.12] Repo information

2008-12-23 Thread Russell Hay
As per some of the other posts, this is the first distro that I've used as a
normal phone for more than 24hrs. Well done!

My only finding so far on the base functionality included is that the alarm
doesn't wake the device from suspend.

I did notice that the opkg configuration is still trying to hit 2008.8 repos
- but the repo site doesn't include any 2008.12 repo's. Is this just a
naming convention issue (after all, .12 is based upon .8) or will installing
packages from here break things?

Apart from that - all looking good!

Russ
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Re: [2008.12] Repo information

2008-12-23 Thread Pander
On Tue, December 23, 2008 14:19, Russell Hay wrote:
 As per some of the other posts, this is the first distro that I've used as
 a
 normal phone for more than 24hrs. Well done!

 My only finding so far on the base functionality included is that the
 alarm
 doesn't wake the device from suspend.

 I did notice that the opkg configuration is still trying to hit 2008.8
 repos
 - but the repo site doesn't include any 2008.12 repo's. Is this just a
 naming convention issue (after all, .12 is based upon .8) or will
 installing
 packages from here break things?

Most of them work, but it should be set up with an seperate 2008.12 repo


 Apart from that - all looking good!

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Package categories for opkg

2008-12-23 Thread Pander
Hi all,

At the moment these are the opkg categories (as seen on http://opkg.org):
 Audio
 Games
 GPS
 Graphics
 Internet
 Office
 PIM
 Settings
 System
 Utility
 Video

Would it be more appropriate to use the relevant Debian/Ubuntu dpkg
categories? Because most of the packages also exist and/or originate from
.deb packages. They use the following (as seen on
http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/):
 Administration Utilities
 Base Utilities
 Communication Programs
 debian-installer udeb packages
 Development
 Documentation
 Editors
 Electronics
 Embedded software
 Games
 GNOME
 Graphics
 Ham Radio
 Interpreters
 KDE
 Library development
 Libraries
 Mail
 Mathematics
 Miscellaneous
 Network
 Newsgroups
 Old Libraries
 Other OS's and file systems
 Perl
 Python
 Science
 Shells
 Sound
 TeX
 Text Processing
 Translations
 Utilities
 Virtual packages
 Web Software
 X Window System software

I'd like to suggest the following consolidation from opkg package
categories to dpkg categories:
 Administration Utilities - opkg Settings
 Base Utilities - opkg System
 Editors - opkg Office
 Games - opkg Games
 Graphics - opkg Graphics and some GPS
 Miscellaneous - opkg GPS
 Sound - opkg Audio
 Text Processing - opkg Office
 Utilities - opkg Utility and some GPS

While looking into this, perhaps a new category called GPS needs to be
added to the Debian/Ubuntu world.

In short wat was the reason for these alternative categories and is this
consolidation of categories welcomed?

Regards,

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Re: [All] tangogps - python scripts for .kml from/to sqlite

2008-12-23 Thread Carlo Minucci
Thomas des Courières ha scritto:
 Hi all,
 just wanted to share some scripts I used.
 The first one is for converting a list of points out of a kml file to a 
 poi sqlite3 database which tangogps can read, and the other one is for 
 doing the reverse operation : getting the pois of the tango gps db and 
 creating a kml file.
 It might need some tweaking, as some things are hard coded.
 Note that I also extracted the points of the kml file with my favorite 
 excel like program into a plain file listing all points.
 Hoping that it will save someone's time,
 Thomas

i think is a good idea!!!

i have use your idea and your code in my gtkaddpoi 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gtkaddpoi :)

for now only for export a POI

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Gothnet



Helge Hafting wrote:
 
 Making a good small lens is not a problem, a good small sensor is.
 Japanese tourists may be satisfied, but perhaps they just aren't that
 good photographers. Small-sensor images can be reasonable under ideal
 lighting conditions, but hopeless for most other cases. But then,
 tourists go where the sun is. 
 

To use an internet cliche you're doing it wrong. Most people aren't good
photographers, Japanese or otherwise. Neither do they care. Look at the
sales of disposable cameras before digital came along.

The quality of photography is just not the point. You want a decent
resolution, sure, but if they come out a bit blurry or badly lit? Who cares?
I'm snapping stuff that doesn't matter but might be cute if it comes out ok,
the dog looking at me funny, the family in front of an amusing road sign, a
shop with an amusing name, some people at a birthday part in a
restaurant In fact the act of taking the photo is probably more
important than the result most of the time.


To others arguing about cameras and no camera, I can't have one at work -
please recognise that you are a tiny, tiny minority. Many more people don't
care about cameras in their phones, many more do, but those for whom it's
actually an obstruction are really an insignificant market sector.

And the I just want a phone that works and does nothing but make calls
crowd won't be looking at Neo anyway.

As to whether camera or 3g should be a priority? Both, IMHO.

3G is an absolute must for the gta03, without it it's just a phone with a
lousy connection most of the time. Or would be if I could be bothered to try
getting GPRS working...
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Re: [All] tangogps - python scripts for .kml from/to sqlite

2008-12-23 Thread Thomas des Courières
 i have use your idea and your code in my gtkaddpoi
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gtkaddpoi :)


nice to hear !
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Re: Weather app: meooem 0.0.1

2008-12-23 Thread Yorick Moko
I don't know why, but I like it (probably just because it works ;-))
maybe also adding a possibility to launch a window with all our
favorite places; or a gui to choose a location (and maybe even get
forecasts?)

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Yann Neveu yann_m...@gabuzomeu.fr wrote:
 Here:
 http://gabuzomeu.fr/openmoko/meooem/ and on
 http://www.opkg.org/package_66.html , you'll find a small app which fetch 
 yahoo
 rss weather feed and add an icon on your illume launcher.
 You can press on it to update datas. If not connected, no feed, and the temp
 will be -1.

 Code is bloated and ugly and the next step is to clean up before adding other
 functions like displaying next days forecast and things like that. Other
 change will be the icon set which could be more free than the stardock ones
 (see the /usr/share/pixmaps/meoeem/stardock/permission.txt).

 Please modify  /etc/meooem.conf to have you preffered city weather instead of
 mine.

 Any suggestions welcomed.

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Re: [debian] LXDE?

2008-12-23 Thread mqy

Better to add a swap partition, or swap file. Else you will get out of memory
error when for example apt-get install something. Here is my /etc/fstab:




The 3rd line is for swap, make sure to change the first column to your
partition device.

If you can not create new partition for swap, just add a swap file. Refer
to:


http://www.go2linux.org/Swap-memory-increase-with-swap-file
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/031106.html


Better to start openmoko-panel-plugin, else you will get frustrated by the
matchbox keyboard (suppose you choose it):

Add a new line to file /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart:


@openmoko-panel-plugin


With the panel plugin you can easily hide/open the keyboard. BTW, the
openmoko frameworkd and panel plugin eats quite a bit memory :)


Maybe it's a good idea to move the tray from bottom panel to (newly created)
top panel.

To do this, add a new file (named for example top-panel) in
/root/.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels/

with the content of





Then

(1) remove the tray from /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/LXDE/panels/panel 

(2) OR just copy this file to dir /root/.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels/, rename
it to config -- this overrides the default panel configuration.


The biggest problem of LXDE on touch screen phone is UI. To do right click, 

install libgtkstylus and add it to ~/.xsession:


export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so

xsetroot -solid black # strange

exec startlxde


NOTE: do backups before modifications.

Regards.


jos-3 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I also want to try LXDE but I don't no how to start it up.
 Can you help me please?
 
 (I have been reading the wiki, but I don' t get it :-( )
 
 Thanks
 
 Jos.
 
 Op maandag 22-12-2008 om 19:04 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Michele
 Renda:
 Il 22/12/2008 15:06, arne anka ha scritto:
  someone recently suggested using LXDE instead of XFCE -- are there any
  experiences in regard to responsibility, memory requirements and
  functionality compared to XFCE?
  is it really more lightweight and faster? and does
 openmoko-panel-plugin
  work (ie is there a standard systray)?
 
 Hello, yes I was.
 
 I used on FR and according me run faster than XFCE (and use less 
 memory). Yes, if I remember well it has systray support, and it contain 
 panel and plugins like XFCE.
 You can find it on Debian repository (apt-get install lxde). All 
 configurations can be done via gui.
 
 Please, if you try it, please report your impressions.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Package categories for opkg

2008-12-23 Thread Marc Bantle
Pander schrieb:
 Would it be more appropriate to use the relevant Debian/Ubuntu dpkg
 categories? Because most of the packages also exist and/or originate from
 .deb packages. They use the following (as seen on
 http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/):
  Administration Utilities
  Base Utilities
  Communication Programs
  debian-installer udeb packages
  Development
  Documentation
  Editors
  Electronics
  Embedded software
  Games
  GNOME
  Graphics
  Ham Radio
  Interpreters
  KDE
  Library development
  Libraries
  Mail
  Mathematics
  Miscellaneous
  Network
  Newsgroups
  Old Libraries
  Other OS's and file systems
  Perl
  Python
  Science
  Shells
  Sound
  TeX
  Text Processing
  Translations
  Utilities
  Virtual packages
  Web Software
  X Window System software

 I'd like to suggest the following consolidation from opkg package
 categories to dpkg categories:
  Administration Utilities - opkg Settings
  Base Utilities - opkg System
  Editors - opkg Office
  Games - opkg Games
  Graphics - opkg Graphics and some GPS
  Miscellaneous - opkg GPS
  Sound - opkg Audio
  Text Processing - opkg Office
  Utilities - opkg Utility and some GPS

 While looking into this, perhaps a new category called GPS needs to be
 added to the Debian/Ubuntu world.

   
I'd go for category Geo instead of GPS
being a autonomous subcategory of Sience
as is Mathematics.

Cheers,
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Re: [Android]

2008-12-23 Thread C R McClenaghan
All,

I think it is more that there is only one codec in the beta image -  
Ogg-Vorbis.

If you join the forum then you can follow this link - 
http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10t=34 
  - which seems to describe what works and what doesn't and how to  
install.

Chris

On Dec 23, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Andreas Wallin wrote:

 I think there has been some issues with software license,

 The multimedia codecs is not in the android software for the  
 freerunner.



 Wendy wrote:
 Hi,

 I did some Android image from Sean Mcneil review in devel list.
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-December/003877.html

 I don't know why, but for me i can't use the media player. The  
 application is
 there and can lounch it, just can't play song (I'll try that more).

 Regards,
 Wendy

 On Monday 22 December 2008 00:10:09 rakshat hooja wrote:

 I was in the process of flashing android for the first time. I  
 understand
 only GSM works on android (no wifi or gps) and thats ok with me.  
 Just had
 two questions

 1) Is there a media player inbuilt in the android flash image?
 2) Should one flash the Kolou beta image or Sean's image?

 Thanks

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GPS testing on 2008.12

2008-12-23 Thread Jan Henkins
Hello all,

I hope somebody here might have an idea or two that might shed some 
light. I've trawled for HOWTO's and recipes on how to get the GPS 
working on my FR, but to no avail, none of them worked at all. In order 
to to some low-level testing to acertain whether I have a possible 
hardware problem or not, is there a way to check the GPS device for 
activity of some sort? I've left agpsui running for almost half a day 
(with GPS enabled in Settings of course), but I get no good fixes or any 
TTFF.

The rest of the phone seems to be working OK, I  manage to make/receive 
calls and SMS's reliably. I have even managed to sort-of stabilise 
2008.12 with regards to suspend, and also managed to get Enlightenment 
to stop crashing all the time with Illume (thanks to Yaroslav's WIKI 
entry!). Any ideas how I can do some low-level testing on the GPS device?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: GPS testing on 2008.12

2008-12-23 Thread Yorick Moko
you can cat the output...
through terminal or just look at it in agpsui (the last tab lest you
see a list of the recieved GPS information)

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net wrote:
 Hello all,

 I hope somebody here might have an idea or two that might shed some
 light. I've trawled for HOWTO's and recipes on how to get the GPS
 working on my FR, but to no avail, none of them worked at all. In order
 to to some low-level testing to acertain whether I have a possible
 hardware problem or not, is there a way to check the GPS device for
 activity of some sort? I've left agpsui running for almost half a day
 (with GPS enabled in Settings of course), but I get no good fixes or any
 TTFF.

 The rest of the phone seems to be working OK, I  manage to make/receive
 calls and SMS's reliably. I have even managed to sort-of stabilise
 2008.12 with regards to suspend, and also managed to get Enlightenment
 to stop crashing all the time with Illume (thanks to Yaroslav's WIKI
 entry!). Any ideas how I can do some low-level testing on the GPS device?

 Thanks in advance!

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 Regards,
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Re: [2008.12] Repo information

2008-12-23 Thread Ray Chao
Hi,

Since there are no major changes regarding package installation between
Om2008.8, Om2008.9, Om2008.10 and Om2008.12; we use Om2008.8 for
simplifying the directory structure.  Later today, I will put some notes
about repo info on the downloads server to make this clear.

Best Regards and Merry X'mas
--
Ray Chao
Openmoko System Admin.

Pander wrote:
 On Tue, December 23, 2008 14:19, Russell Hay wrote:
 As per some of the other posts, this is the first distro that I've used as
 a
 normal phone for more than 24hrs. Well done!

 My only finding so far on the base functionality included is that the
 alarm
 doesn't wake the device from suspend.

 I did notice that the opkg configuration is still trying to hit 2008.8
 repos
 - but the repo site doesn't include any 2008.12 repo's. Is this just a
 naming convention issue (after all, .12 is based upon .8) or will
 installing
 packages from here break things?
 
 Most of them work, but it should be set up with an seperate 2008.12 repo
 
 Apart from that - all looking good!

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Re: GPS testing on 2008.12

2008-12-23 Thread Jan Henkins
Hello Yorick,

Yorick Moko wrote:
 you can cat the output...
 through terminal or just look at it in agpsui (the last tab lest you
 see a list of the recieved GPS information)
   

Thanks for that, I captured the output and here follows a short snippet:

---start---

 $GPTXT,01,01,02,u-blox ag - www.u-blox.com*50

$GPTXT,01,01,02,ANTARIS ATR062x HW 80040001*26

$GPTXT,01,01,02,ROM CORE   5.00Jan 09 2006 12:00:00*76

$GPTXT,01,01,02,LIC 1EBF-BD07-E83D-6BE1-0F7A*50

$GPRMC,,V,,N*53

$GPVTG,N*30

$GPGGA,,0,00,99.99,,*48

$GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30

$GPGSV,1,1,00*79

$GPGLL,,V,N*64

$GPZDA,00,00*48

$GPTXT,01,01,02,ANTSUPERV=AC SD OD PDoS *0A

$GPTXT,01,01,02,ANTSTATUS=SHORT*6D

$GPRMC,,V,,N*53

$GPVTG,N*30

$GPGGA,,0,00,99.99,,*48

$GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30

$GPGSV,1,1,00*79

$GPGLL,,V,N*64

$GPZDA,00,00*48

$GPRMC,,V,,N*53

$GPVTG,N*30

$GPGGA,,0,00,99.99,,*48

$GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30

$GPGSV,1,1,00*79

$GPGLL,,V,N*64

$GPZDA,00,00*48

$GPRMC,,V,,N*53

$GPVTG,N*30

$GPGGA,,0,00,99.99,,*48

$GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30

$GPGSV,1,1,00*79

$GPGLL,,V,N*64

$GPZDA,00,00*48

$GPRMC,,V,,N*53

$GPVTG,N*30

$GPGGA,,0,00,99.99,,*48

$GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30

---end---

I'm not sure how to interpret this output. Could the above mean the 
actual GPS chipset is working properly? If this is so, could I then 
perhaps have a reception problem that causes me not to get a fix? Sorry 
for the newbie questions, I've yet got a lot to learn! ;-)

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Ben
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@computer.org wrote

 We perhaps will be most surprised how much a 3G modem will cost...

If you live in an Australian city to get reliable coverage you need to
be with 3 or Telstra, the competitors don't cut it. 3 is about
1/10th the cost of Telstra (2G or 3G). For data, 3G services from any
provider are MUCH cheaper than their 2G services, about 1/10th-1/100th
or better of the cost.

So the cost of the modem is almost trivial when your phone and data
bill is fraction of the cost.

In Australian country areas the only network with good coverage is
Telstra NextG - it runs on 3G 850MHz. It covers 99% of the population
compared with about 96% of the nearest competitor (probably about
1/20th the land area).

If you want a reliable phone in Australia it HAS to be 3G.

In my apartment, in a city, I am 100m from a mobile phone tower and
1km from a very major train station. I can only get a reliable signal
with 3 or Telstra, other networks drop out all the time.

 Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory.

You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a
big difference.

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Milos Mandaric
U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02 +1100, Ben je napisao/la:
 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@computer.org wrote
  Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory.
 
 You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a
 big difference.
 
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Getting rid of Android

2008-12-23 Thread vsviridov
Hello everyone,

Is there a way to get rid of Android on my OpenMoko?

For some reason I cannot re-flash anything anymore. I always get an error
message from dfu-util, saying that the 'alternate rootfs unavailable' or
something very similar. And when I do 'dfu-util -l' i get about 7
partitions, all of which are marked as UNKNOWN.

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Sargun Dhillon
Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by
the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user,
I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please clarify.
-Thanks.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote:
 U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02 +1100, Ben je napisao/la:
 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@computer.org wrote
  Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory.

 You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a
 big difference.

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Re: Getting rid of Android

2008-12-23 Thread Kosa


vsviri...@exceede.com escribió:
 Hello everyone,

 Is there a way to get rid of Android on my OpenMoko?

 For some reason I cannot re-flash anything anymore. I always get an error
 message from dfu-util, saying that the 'alternate rootfs unavailable' or
 something very similar. And when I do 'dfu-util -l' i get about 7
 partitions, all of which are marked as UNKNOWN.
   
You might want to try installing any other distro on the microsd
and boot from it. Then you can use fdisk to remove those partitions
and try again.

Kosa

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:24:01 -0800 Sargun Dhillon xbmodder
+openm...@gmail.com babbled:

3g == umts+ (hd*pa etc.)

 Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by
 the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user,
 I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please clarify.
 -Thanks.
 
 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote:
  U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02 +1100, Ben je napisao/la:
  On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
  h...@computer.org wrote
   Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory.
 
  You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a
  big difference.
 
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Milos Mandaric
U Uto, 23. 12. 2008., u 20:24 -0800, Sargun Dhillon je napisao/la:
 Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by
 the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user,
 I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please clarify.
 -Thanks.
 
 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote:
  U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02 +1100, Ben je napisao/la:
  On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
  h...@computer.org wrote
   Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory.
 
  You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a
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When I am talking about 3G, I am thinking about UMTS/HS?PA.
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Ben Wilson
Gothnet wrote:
 3G is an absolute must for the gta03, without it it's just a phone with a
 lousy connection most of the time. Or would be if I could be bothered to try
 getting GPRS working...
   

I'm pretty sure the specs for GTA03 are set and it's 2.75G / edge.
3G will be in GTA04 at the earliest.

3G will be an option only when there is a 3G chipset with interface 
documentation that's not under NDA.

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Ben
that's a shame,

guess I'll have to get an android then, as the minimum requirement for
a phone for me is that I can call people on it, and in Australia, that
means 3G if you want good coverage and/or a good price.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz wrote:
 Gothnet wrote:
 3G is an absolute must for the gta03, without it it's just a phone with a
 lousy connection most of the time. Or would be if I could be bothered to try
 getting GPRS working...


 I'm pretty sure the specs for GTA03 are set and it's 2.75G / edge.
 3G will be in GTA04 at the earliest.

 3G will be an option only when there is a 3G chipset with interface
 documentation that's not under NDA.

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