Re: Freerunner's Future
My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been using my Freerunner as my only phone it has been much, MUCH, more reliable than my previous smart phone. I had a Samsung SPH-N400 which, besides having some incredibly brain dead bugs, which I could go on for hours about, had terrible problems with non-reentrant code. That is, when two events would happen nearly simultaneously, say answering the phone and unplugging it from the power, it would often crash. I even managed to get it to crash by simply pressing the same button too rapidly. I got very practiced at removing and replacing the battery quickly. Now mind you, the N400 is a phone that was offered by a major carrier (Sprint) in the US and was supposedly fully supported. I exchanged the N400 several times and also had them try flashing different firmware on it. It didn't help, it simply shifted the bugs around. The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality. If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and demoralized) volunteers. The present tense is correct, the Freerunner *has* great potential. It is still the only device even close to being a _Free_ phone, and it will reach that in time. As for what can be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid volunteers... well, do you really need me to list all the Open Source success stories which started with even less than we have? I believe the Freerunner will be a success story. The freeing of the cell phone is a revolution on the order of the personal computer revolution. The only question is, Will the Freerunner be more like the MITS Altair 8800, which led by inspiration or will it be like the IBM PC, whose framework was widely copied to become a de facto standard? --Ben Wong ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with mass collaboration. how so? iphone/pre/blackberry/winmo all offer similarly polished experiences, mature solutions with no real edge among any of the competitors im certainly hoping FIC can get their act together with 3G and a camera, but have no probs waiting for Acer/ASUS to 'accidentally' ship a phone that happens to run a vanilla kernel.. ive narrowed down to giving my money to taiwan, anwyays :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In The name Of God Thanks alot for your attentoins ; On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Ken Youngr...@cfa.harvard.edu wrote: dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I'm not programmer and maybe can not do anything for that . I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some programming, or at least port some code. (Afsoos mikhoram!) I was c++ PHP programmer before but now i'm not ; anda should be someone a pro programmer to use openmoko ? (chera afsoos?) SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough? How about keyboard ?Is it possible to use farsi or at least arabic key board without problem ? Of course, I say partially tested, because I didn't try out an input method. If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works. By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone makes a Farsi keyboard what is input method ?so how did you send that message ? you can test with arabic keyboard . Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:42:51 +1000 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:56:14 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a stable 2.6.28-based kernel? It's 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 - much older! 2.6.24? Hmmm ... qtmoko will work, but you'll probably get double sms's and indications of missed calls for every incoming call ... O no, wait, I fixed those. Probably the issue will be that the system will not unsuspend when receiving an sms, I believe that was kernel related (modem). But there have been fixes in that area too, so you might want to test some stuff: - outgoing call - incoming call - incoming call while in suspend - outgoing sms - incoming sms - incoming sms while in suspend - alarm - alarm wakes the phone while in suspend (see that the atd package is installed for this to work) - bluetooth (since you run on 2.6.24 kernel, bluetooth should work as long as you don't suspend, but of course don't uninstall bluetooth as per my install script then) Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote: I was a c++ PHP programmer before but now i'm not ; and should someone be a pro programmer to use openmoko ? You do not need to be a professional programmer to use the Freerunner. How about keyboard? Is it possible to use farsi or at least arabic key board without problem? That's something I don't know. You may have to create one yourself. so how did you send that message ? you can test with arabic keyboard . I did not type in the message. Instead I used a web browser to view a page that was written in Farsi, selected some text, copied it, and then pasted the text into an SMS message to myself. what is input method ? Input method just means a way of typing characters that are not on your keyboard. For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the Iranian standard for keyboards[2]: setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout us,ir -option grp:alt_shift_toggle -option grp_led:caps When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input. Now when I type ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ؤژشذز۱۲۳. Of course, that doesn't help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard. Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard. Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I don't know having never done it. --Ben [1] I copied the setxkbmap example from http://faculty.washington.edu/heer/enablingarabic.htm , with the slight modification that I changed the layout from us,ar to us,ir. That is, I'm using the Iranian layout instead of the Arabic. [2] ISIRI 2901:1994 http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/keyboards/persian.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
On Saturday 06 June 2009 09:27:06 Harald Welte wrote: This would mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties, They would have to pay for every single audio codec but also for videos, file systems, network protocol… -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
On Saturday 06 June 2009 10:29:46 Ben Wong wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote: I was a c++ PHP programmer before but now i'm not ; and should someone be a pro programmer to use openmoko ? You do not need to be a professional programmer to use the Freerunner. Indeed. To add up on this, the whole idea of the freesmartphone.org framework we use on SHR and Openmoko 2009.x (and some other distros) is to provide high level abstractions for you to make programming simple. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
On 6/6/09, Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Youngr...@cfa.harvard.edu wrote: dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I'm not programmer and maybe can not do anything for that . I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some programming, or at least port some code. (Afsoos mikhoram!) Ken Young SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough? I just partially tested this out and, yes, Farsi SMS can be sent and received with SHR. Now, I don't speak Persian, so I just cut and pasted a bit of Obama's Nowruz address from the web (via Midori). The SMS sending program doesn't have a Paste menu item, but Ctrl+V works. Although the text was left justified, the characters were received in the proper right-to-left order. Of course, I say partially tested, because I didn't try out an input method. If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works. By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone makes a Farsi keyboard. --Ben P.S. This is what I sent: سخنان پرزیدنت باراک اوباما جشن نوروز واشنگتن دی سی ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) Oh, neat. That's the way I had expected it to work. I think there may be a small bug. If I press in the empty part of the text box, nothing happens. I had to click very close to the insertion cursor to make the menu pop up. I'm surprised the text box widget doesn't treat any blank space at the end as being the same as the very last character of text. Is this a known bug/feature? Thanks for the tip! --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
Well, it works good for me ;x Do you have latest -unstable? On 6/6/09, Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net wrote: You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) Oh, neat. That's the way I had expected it to work. I think there may be a small bug. If I press in the empty part of the text box, nothing happens. I had to click very close to the insertion cursor to make the menu pop up. I'm surprised the text box widget doesn't treat any blank space at the end as being the same as the very last character of text. Is this a known bug/feature? Thanks for the tip! --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it works good for me ;x Do you have latest -unstable? Ah, that's my problem. I'm using shr-testing. Thanks, again! --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gtkaddpoi 0.7 is out
i have fix some bug * now work with tangogps empty table * work if latitude or longitude integer number is minor of 10 * query don't fail is there is a / in the address or name http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gtkaddpoi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Dale, The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality. If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and demoralized) volunteers. Thanks for your concern and (slight) impatience. Several efforts are underway to form really solid groups, both community and commercial, to continue with the open phone. I haven't noticed any demoralization, quite to the contrary. But I do believe the size of our community is stagnant or slowly shrinking. Which only makes sense given that there is not much visible progress right now. BTW here are some interesting statistics about our community: http://downloads.openmoko.org/stats/05/ And number of subscribers to our mailing lists: https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/chandra/sita.openmoko.org-mailman_detail.html (openmoko-kernel is missing for some reason, we will fix this, I believe it has around 600 subscribers) As for the 'big picture' of open devices - on the technical level there are a number of categories that are merging over the next few years: phones, portable media players, electronic dictionaries, navigation devices. Other non-mobile categories are also not far behind (picture frames, set-top boxes, wifi routers, NAS). For these types of devices, there are a few 'open' options here and there, but by Openmoko's standards for the largest part it's all closed. Going forward we need to find more semiconductor partners that understand 'open' and know how they can create value with it. In today's consumer electronics industry, semiconductor companies are the ones writing the drivers, they do reference designs for manufacturers. Trying to do open devices without the help of semiconductor companies will just not work. The good news is that pretty much all semiconductors have a relaxed, and often friendly, attitude towards 'Linux' nowadays. They see the potential, and real size of the market today. Things like Android help tremendously! Bottom line - the path to a fully open phone as envisioned by Openmoko and our phantastic community is still long. Maybe even 5+ years. I'm not discouraged by that at all. gta02-core is on track, and Werner has as clear a long-term plan of why and where this will all go as everybody else. Realistically I am hoping that actual physical hardware will come out of it within 12 months or so. In other parts of the Openmoko landscape, work is going on on non-phone projects, whether they are called Project B or C or D. Even if those devices are not a phone initially, trust me they will all become phones :-) Thanks for staying with us, I hope you enjoy the ride with your 'pioneering' Neo (I'm a daily user myself). Best Regards, and keep your feedback coming! Wolfgang Dale Schumacher wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wonglists.bo...@bshed.com wrote: Steve Mosher wrote: 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it as such. ...snip... Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run linux. I'm totally on-board with this message, vision and mission. The problem is--after all this time, that vision remains unfulfilled. My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality. If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and demoralized) volunteers. I truly hope I'm wrong--and I applaud the efforts of those who continue to strive for this goal. I also want to express my thanks for the efforts of all those who have worked so long and hard trying to achieve this vision. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Dale Schumacher wrote: If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and demoralized) volunteers. You can view the situation also as an opportunity to change some of the structure of the project. Openmoko Inc. had certain constraints due to the way it was conceived. Some of them looked good at the beginning but later caused problems - yet were too difficult to change. The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making new ones ;-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RFC Using MPX for accelerometers
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:59:48 +0200 Abelenda diego.abele...@gmail.com said: I've had an idea that might not be so bad. MPX is due for the next release of Xorg, so why not use it for the accelerometers, it could create a somewhat standard interface for the applications (think about compatibility for other devices than the freerunner) to see the state of the accelerometers. An application that is fullscreen/selected could just grab the input and release it if it is no more selected. The nice thing is that application not compatible with Xi2 would not see the device if it is configured as additionnal pointer and not default one. If an application needs only pattern recognitions and not the position of the pointer, we could create a lib, so that it could be portable for other devices. mpx. hell mo. you should read up on mpx more. if u wantg standard input devices exposing the accelerometers to x - use x input devices,. see the x input extension. it's been there for as long as i've used x (12 years). it can expose advanced devices with many input properties.in fact we should expose an xinput device that shadows the core cursor that will allow us to modify the touchscreen parameters (eg turn the ts off, etc.). also while i'm at it backlight control should be exposed through xrandr and output device properties (see xblacklight for info 0 it works on intel gfx chips just fine - via xrandr. the fact everyone goes behind x's back to fiddle with backlight and play with /sys/* is bad). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote: The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making new ones ;-) - Werner Lovely, made me laugh which was needed after all that. I will get started on it right now, cheers, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On 3/06/2009 6:32 PM, arne anka wrote: Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion? that's how i understood it. Well you'd be wrong again. There's an old saying about assumptions but I'll leave that up to you to research, or you could just take a stab at it as you seem to have quite a knack for that. My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD and causing mail congestion. what exactly is your problem? from the information i gathered over time from this list i deduced qi was aimed at reading the kernel from /boot, not from the nand partition. together with qi does not understand jffs2 i simply infered it would not work with flash at all. No, you implied it was useless ... ending in something like 'imho'. turns out, that was wrong. now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can not be read. paul answered in a totally inappropriate way and you continue that way down. if all you want to say is i am great! i loathe you inferior creature -- you did it. as long you have nothing to contribute in terms of usefull information you can shut up now. Hah, what a hypocrite. Useless contribution is your forte! Mate, get a clue. I've seen you try and shut threads down in their infancy before the poster has received their desired outcome on more than one occasion. I don't purport to be better than anyone, to the contrary, I merely like to point out when someone is being a complete knob. There's another old saying ... 'practice what you preach' ... look it up. Cheers. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Ben Wong wrote: My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been using my Freerunner as my only phone it has been much, MUCH, more reliable than my previous smart phone. I was particularly amused to find a friend's Sony-Ericsson has the Buzz issue. Another bug is a tendency to switch network in the middle of a call when roaming, leaving both ends with a silent line. Then there was the long list of niggles and frustrations...at least we get to do something about (most of) our bugs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is required to apply for a license. I think that position cannot hold strong in any court of law. You cannot charge a MP3 license for each and every general purpose computing device. This would mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties, and I can assure you, they dont ;) So even while sisvel or others might claim such a position, it is pointless. That depends on what the point is. It's no good being right if you can't afford to prove it. Many will pay for a license they don't need because it's cheaper than litigation. It's a legal form of extortion. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents
Pieter Colpaert wrote: let's create a music uploader for OM2009 SHR (on your pc: so should have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws): The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc, no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's easy I guess) they get automatically converted to ogg, which is a quite good standard to use on the openmoko. In qtmoko we have program qmplayer that does conversion of avi files to FR resolution. Should be more then easy to do this for mp3-ogg. The program is using QT and it works on FR, PC (both windows and linux is supported). You can download media on device using the same qmplayer or from web browser so it can work for all distros. You can check sources and now not-so-fresh binaries here [1]. Btw while you can avoid patents with mp3-ogg it's still not possible to do the same for avi, because FR cant play theora vides full screen now (or someone please prove me that i am wrong :) Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qmplayer/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us somewhere where most of us want to go. Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ? It can be a good way to manage projects, communities ... and maybe money ? ;-) -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Paroli introduction video
Dear list, Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video, where I present all the basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can point the newcomers to. I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed to cut off. The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and shacked the camera a lot. However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week. So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community hoping that somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others will have some feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing before, and can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video will step up, and help me. Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I hope it will be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything while filming;-|) What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is not much waiting, the video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it. http://www.vimeo.com/5029019 Feedbacks? Laszlo PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner with buzz fix applied for sale in the UK. £99, no reserve on eBay.
Hi all, For those who are looking for a Freerunner in the UK, I have mine (with buzz fix applied) listed for sale on eBay.co.uk. It has a start price of £99 and no reserve. More info can be found at: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190312832538 Regards, Peter. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: 2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt timschm...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is required to apply for a license. So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer above a few mips? in short yes, in Spain is even more blooding, because apart of format war licences in customs, there is local agency called SGAE that succeeds in make pay a fee for any device not only able to play mp3 but any kind of music, and that's not all, not only to play but to keep any kind of multimedia format (this include CD/DVD-R, HD, SDCards) Is no matter of common sense or logic, now a days with law at hand, they can do it and they do. Then is your work to demonstrate in court you are right but meanwhile you are totally fuc$%ed. Scaring ,isn't it? Steve the problem is that some holding the position, are the ones that have enough money/power/time/knowledge to sue you, because even If they know they can loose in the court, in a way or another you will pay because you just can afford and stand in the whole long proccess, is their daily routine. Yes, I know this is the problem. Perhaps I wasnt clear enough in my cryptic note. The issue isnt whether or not this position is valid or will win in court. The issue is this. can you afford to defend yourself? At one company I worked at the rule was pretty simple. Try to settle anything that was less than a certain dollar amount, say XYZ dollars, because the cost to even get in front of a judge was XYZ dollars. I cant count the number of times I was told they have no case, but the cost to prove it is $$$, go work out a deal --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is required to apply for a license. I think that position cannot hold strong in any court of law. You cannot charge a MP3 license for each and every general purpose computing device. This would mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties, and I can assure you, they dont ;) So even while sisvel or others might claim such a position, it is pointless. That depends on what the point is. It's no good being right if you can't afford to prove it. Many will pay for a license they don't need because it's cheaper than litigation. It's a legal form of extortion. +1. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 15:59 +0200, swap38 wrote: Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us somewhere where most of us want to go. Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ? It can be a good way to manage projects, communities ... and maybe money ? ;-) good idea... an umbrella organization would be the easiest way: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/foss-primer.html#x1-190003 Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Radek Polak wrote: Btw while you can avoid patents with mp3-ogg it's still not possible to do the same for avi, because FR cant play theora vides full screen now (or someone please prove me that i am wrong :) We _might_ be in the clear with h264 when playback is hardware accelerated. The chipset manufacturer should have licensed the required patents, and there was a recent ruling against patent double-dipping in the US. It depends on whether all the bits requiring patents are done in hardware, or whether we have to do some of it in software before sending it to the glamo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Linux International and Openmoko
Hello, I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko. Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services for the Linux community. It was started as a vendor organization, at a time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux. We handled a lot of legal and business issues for Linux: o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would kidnap it for various reasons o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of the original testing work for LPI certification) o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the Free Standards Group o Helped to form what became Linuxworld o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor organization would provide too much power in a centralized organization. For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux Foundation. Linux International as an organization has been dormant for about five years. I have still been spreading the word about Free Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media interviews. Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into an end user organization, with the concept that no company could join as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member. Only individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc. Of course almost everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership would be quite open. I have been working to change the charter of LI to reflect this. Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. Linux International is already a legal entity. We are a not-for-profit in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A. There are reasons why LI is a not-for-profit instead of a non-profit (501c3 or 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc. Nothing stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and nothing would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if that is desired. Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate boards for each country chapter. This was planned way before the current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the planned structure if you wish. LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come from companies, but again the voting membership would be from individuals only. The things that LI does would be Open to all. We do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs. If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit into this. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. Cell: +1.603.943. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Steve Mosher a écrit : Community, To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? Hi Steve, I created this page (just a draft) : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition Is it what you expect ? -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ALL] Tango GPS tracking sample rate
Hi All, I am looking to use the Tango GPS to track a trip. When using the tracking feature it samples at position per second which creates a very large file over an 8 hour trip. Is there a config file that I can change to take a sample maybe every minute or 5 minutes? Thanks.. Lee -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-ALL--Tango-GPS-tracking-sample-rate-tp3036194p3036194.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote: now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can not be read. Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition does not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:15, Rask Ingemann Lambertsenr...@sygehus.dk wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote: now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can not be read. Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition does not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year What about using uboot_env partition to store boot options? (and reading it also by just dumping bytes) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can not be read. Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition does not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there. from werner's explanation i understand why it is designed so, sd being the preferred storage. yet, i think it's a flaw not to support jffs2 -- but that's just my opinion. using the u-boot env as surrogate /boot/append*, as springs to mind and was suggested, sounds like a good idea -- but the beauty of the /boot//append* file is of course its easy access and modification. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:42, arne ankaopenm...@ginguppin.de wrote: now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can not be read. Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition does not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there. from werner's explanation i understand why it is designed so, sd being the preferred storage. yet, i think it's a flaw not to support jffs2 -- but that's just my opinion. using the u-boot env as surrogate /boot/append*, as springs to mind and was suggested, sounds like a good idea -- but the beauty of the /boot//append* file is of course its easy access and modification. Well, something like cat /boot/append-GTA02 /dev/mtdblock2 should be enough to save modifications :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
Hi I'm keeping a list of a few optimisations i can think of; i'll fill it over the next few days; .. and i'll add them as a 'design concept', if that seems appropriate. I haven't really done that; but instead, I've been translating my 'few optimisations' into a 'few mockups' and added them here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-themes .. but it was a bit confusing to do that. I assume someone (Mirko?) is still leading on development of paroli. And I assume something like this - simply optimizing the default ui - has been in someones agenda already. Ofcourse, I could just start making my own edje files. But if another, also improved, paroli is coming along, why would I. And I don't like edje very much from the looks of it. Unless, ofcourse, someone finds this very interesting. In which case I might have a few spare evenings to do some more. Otherwise, I might still make a text version of the 'few optimisations' I could think of, anyway. $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Palm Pre style iPod spoofing
Maybe you've all heard about Palm's answer to the iPhone, the Palm Pre, is spoofing the iPod when connected through USB, so one can use iTunes to sync music with it. Could this be done with our Neo's? I don't suppose it should be that hard, something like switching between usb networking and usb mass storage. Could be usefull, since there is already a lot of music syncing software out there, be it iTunes or not... -- I used to think that the only music was love music. I was wrong. -- Frank Zappa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli introduction video
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.vimeo.com/5029019 Feedbacks? Nice lowtech hitech vid. Dugged http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_cellphone_running_Paroli_phoneapp -fredrik- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; Input method just means a way of typing characters that are not on your keyboard. For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the Iranian standard for keyboards[2]: setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout us,ir -option grp:alt_shift_toggle -option grp_led:caps When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input. Now when I type ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ؤژشذز۱۲۳. Of course, that doesn't help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard. Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard. Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I don't know having never done it. So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ? You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) No ,messages should be typed whenever is needed and often can not be ready beforehand. Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
Hey great! All 'design guidelines' and things like that are great! I'd like you to explain more of what's happening in the screenshots. Tell what is new, why have you done it, what's the thinking behind it etc. I'll try to come back to this later, hope someone will answer to you,too. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On June 5, 2009 02:31:16 am Patryk Benderz wrote: Looks like these: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ are the same images i downloaded last time, May 21st. Am i looking for them at right place? The testing images haven't changed but the unstable ones have had quite a bit of work done. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 22:22, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote: You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) No ,messages should be typed whenever is needed and often can not be ready beforehand. I mean copying and pasting in general, as I answered to this: The SMS sending program doesn't have a Paste menu item, but Ctrl+V works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 23:31, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I've had better luck starting with http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state - it's one of several that I've seen identified as 'the one true statefile'... If you still get buzz, then try dropping 'control.5' (Mono Playback Volume) - to around 85 or 90. That might help - although you might find that people have trouble hearing you. I'm currently using the gsmhandset-a7.state unmodified and seem to get ok results. I've had one report of intermittent buzz during a call, but it wasn't super bad. Warren The only one true statefile (TM) is http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Replying to messages (Was: Fundamental Qi question)
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 09:13:20PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Now imagine i see a message from some person, with some ML (i'm subscribed to Cc'd). Also there's like 5 persons in Cc list, that are addressed explicitly because they have something to do with the topic (like they're subsystem maintainers, original authors or something like that). [cut] I'm smart enough to figure out that if someone replies to a list message without being sent a copy directly, then that person is on the list. Most lists don't even allow non-subscribers to post anyway. Additionally, I'm polite enough to try list-reply before group-reply when there are no non-subscriber addresses for group-reply to use. But if i press L and some of the Cc'd persons are not subscribed to the list (which is a very common situation for things involving different areas of interest, e.g. both alsa and arm) they will not receive my reply which is not what is intended. Either you have an unusually short memory or you knew perfectly well that Arne Anka was subscribed to the list and had no use for a direct copy. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli introduction video
Wow, nice video. And sure a lot of work (painting all the papers). Nice idea ;) Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: Dear list, Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video, where I present all the basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can point the newcomers to. I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed to cut off. The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and shacked the camera a lot. However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week. So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community hoping that somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others will have some feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing before, and can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video will step up, and help me. Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I hope it will be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything while filming;-|) What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is not much waiting, the video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it. http://www.vimeo.com/5029019 Feedbacks? Laszlo PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Jon 'maddog' Hall a écrit : Hello, (...) Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. (...) Jon maddog Hall Thanks Jon, it's a very fair proposition. I'm just the little guy who started to speak in french about Openmoko one year ago [1] (with Bearstech's help), one of these end-users you're talking about. But I really want to support the Openmoko initiative because I hardly believe in open this hardware revolution. As I told previously [2], I think an open umbrella foundation can be a good option. Why not Linux International ? Before legal works, the community needs organization to be as efficient as possible with its ressources. (I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who really want to help but know what should they do first) Now I hope that key people of the worldwide community will join this opinion ... and let's go ! [1] http://openmoko-fr.org/blog [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049170.html -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mailing list glitch?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 05.06.2009 20:08, Doug Jones schrieb: Harald Welte wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: Doug Jones wrote: Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective memory have a hole in it? Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with From. Not sure where the rest ended up ... It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers every line starting with ^From as the beginning of a new mail (envelope-from). This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009. This is a test message. From this point on, will it be truncated in the archive? I did a cursory search of the mailman-user archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ but didn't find any reference to this bug. I suppose we should report it to them. Apparently they don't have a bug tracker, just the lists. I imagine the code doesn't change very often. Actually this sounds suspiciously like the mbox-Bug - in which case the bug is in the spec, not the software. Switching to Maildir might help, if it's possible. Regards, Andreas Fischer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkorAJkACgkQ5Fl7TYZQYwGeMwCgmv1CG9SNd1pGZcE6rif1cQNj ldAAoI5Ecppdi+vDilAs7xHJmAIN7k/Q =NJtL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Jon, I like the idea and as swap38, you can count on me as member and I will do my best as I allways try. 2009/6/7 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org: Jon 'maddog' Hall a écrit : Hello, (...) Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. (...) Jon maddog Hall Thanks Jon, it's a very fair proposition. I'm just the little guy who started to speak in french about Openmoko one year ago [1] (with Bearstech's help), one of these end-users you're talking about. But I really want to support the Openmoko initiative because I hardly believe in open this hardware revolution. As I told previously [2], I think an open umbrella foundation can be a good option. Why not Linux International ? Before legal works, the community needs organization to be as efficient as possible with its ressources. (I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who really want to help but know what should they do first) Now I hope that key people of the worldwide community will join this opinion ... and let's go ! [1] http://openmoko-fr.org/blog [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049170.html -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debuzzing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 30.05.2009 15:17, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller schrieb: Am 29.05.2009 um 17:24 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: I should add the status of the Buzz-Rework: * I have received back today all devices that we have received so far until approx. beginning of this week. They will now go to testing and then shipment. All units have passed the tests and will be shipped after this (long) weekend. Any news on the next batch? GDC reportedly has received my FreeRunner nearly two weeks ago and I haven't heard anything since. I had hoped to get it back until Monday since I'm out of country the rest of the week and could use a GPS. ATM it looks like I have to wait a third week, though... Regards, Andreas Fischer Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkorBYcACgkQ5Fl7TYZQYwEJuACfaqVT5VFvKdDceIc/F5u8H1q3 SF0AnRlqNiS6oYYXFmApPykSuBFVTI2t =sMBK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
On SHR-Testing (from May 2nd image), I get the following error with this version (after creating all the needed symlinks to get the launcher to actually start): launcher: symbol lookup error: launcher: undefined symbol: elm_scroller_bounce_set Do I have a different/wrong version of elementary? Obviously somethings not quite right since I had to symlink a bunch of libe* files to include svn in their names. -Steven On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Cameron Frazier wrote: in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom): elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce) Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a lot simpler to use. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk launcher_0.22_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
2009/6/7 Mike mike...@gmail.com: I would like to use a Linux-based open-hardware phone for my phone communications. I would like to try Neo Freerunner. How do I do that? Namely: 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to subscribe to? must be gsm, any will do, i think 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone? no, it follows the gsm standard, which is all they should be concerned about. all else is irrelevant to them. as far as they're concerned, it's a phone and you give them money. it wouldn't surprise me though, if they knew you were using something a bit unusual, that they say it's 'not supported' or some garbage. i doubt they'd understand what a linux phone is - their customer service won't have a clue about this 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier options? have you looked at the wiki, there's lots of useful info there. there's probably a list of compatible carriers in your area? 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone? get a prepay, or sell your soul to the devil, and sign up for a contract 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning? yes. of course 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop? possibly. depends on the format they're in on the phone/desktop I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM world (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and receiving calls and text messages. open up the back, put the sim in the slot, put it back together, and boot seriously, the wiki will answer your general question better and more quickly than the list will: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hallmad...@li.org wrote: Hello, I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko. Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services for the Linux community. It was started as a vendor organization, at a time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux. We handled a lot of legal and business issues for Linux: o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would kidnap it for various reasons o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of the original testing work for LPI certification) o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the Free Standards Group o Helped to form what became Linuxworld o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor organization would provide too much power in a centralized organization. For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux Foundation. Linux International as an organization has been dormant for about five years. I have still been spreading the word about Free Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media interviews. Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into an end user organization, with the concept that no company could join as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member. Only individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc. Of course almost everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership would be quite open. I have been working to change the charter of LI to reflect this. Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. Linux International is already a legal entity. We are a not-for-profit in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A. There are reasons why LI is a not-for-profit instead of a non-profit (501c3 or 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc. Nothing stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and nothing would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if that is desired. Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate boards for each country chapter. This was planned way before the current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the planned structure if you wish. LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come from companies, but again the voting membership would be from individuals only. The things that LI does would be Open to all. We do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs. If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit into this. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. Cell: +1.603.943. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank you Jon for this wonderful offer. As a semi-regular user of the Freerunner and up till now mostly a lurker in the community, I'm interested in knowing more about what you have in mind. I've been involved with a few grassroots (unincorporated) organizations and having an incorporated group for incubation can work really well. Eventually the community will probably need its own separate incorporated body, but having an incubator lets us take our time to get things right. Even if the community decides not to accept your offer, I'd be interested in hearing more about your plans for Linux International as an end-user organization. I checked out the website but it looks like you're still putting things together. ___ Openmoko
