Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:52:53PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: That will result in two icons in launchers. why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm and copy the matching one? Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 08:03:38AM +0200, Matthias Huber wrote: Paul Fertser schrieb: Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de writes: Paul Fertser schrieb: What messages do you see with loglevel=4 that shouldn't be there? For me normal suspend/resume doesn't add anything to console. ... i cannot tell exact, but i saw this messages. test it yourself. I did. And sent some patches to the kernel to hide inappropriate messages, they were applied long time ago. Currently i don't see any single message on boot (if g_ether is compiled in) and no single message on suspend/resume (if everything is working properly). hmmm, now we have to define over what we are talking,. i mean: Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown Yes, Sep 1 is modern enough. where does a normal user get g_ether compiled in, when he uses the standard shr-u - kernel ? With g_ether not compiled in i see only 4 messages on boot and i'm sure they can't slow down the boot considerably. i will return later with exact messages on suspend/resume. dont have time now. but maybe this is g_ether. Nah, it doesn't print anything on suspend/resume. ... if nothing else then loglevel=0 will solve this, i will make it zero. Go ahead, but i very much hope you wouldn't be able to convince anybody to make it default. and speed is also bootup-speed, (althoug this wasn't the trhread) where i see a lot of for an non-kernel-developer sensless messages, wich nobody cant read without a magnifying glass. I can read messages on LCM without a magnifying glass, so nobody is obviously a little bit inaccurate here. what do you mean with LCM ? On moko, i cant read this. its too small for me. LCM is LCD module (because it's not only LCD but also backlight and touchscreen bundled together) You != everybody is this exact enough for you ? but please don't say, it's unsharp :-)) I won't. 285 dpi that our displays have can't be unsharp. for me, who is/must/wants use this phone as daily phone totally senseless. I do use my gta02 as my only cell phone since November. And i think that if some messages have inappropriate loglevels, that should be fixed in kernel instead of hiding them. with that, i agree, although my knoledge of linux says me, that, with any loglevel 0 you will get some output at all. Somehow i do not (except when something is going wrong, but it happens only once, after that the messages don't take time to be outputted, because no scrolling is involved). So i'm waiting for something that can in fact help to find and fix the messages in case they're really inappropriate. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
Morning, this is due to the fact, that internal PISI structure always needs a phone type (either home, work or mobile) - at least currently. - if no type is provided (in VCF); I assume it is a mobile number. I filed a bug for that (https://projects.openmoko.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=268group_id=156atid=670) and I will see, whether and how I can get around that with next release. Michael Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:02:57 +0400 Von: Vadim, Efimov eva...@evadim.ru An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:41:54 +0400, Vadim, Efimov eva...@evadim.ru wrote: Why not add just Phone field? opimd-contacts from SHR display it. or, make pair TYPE= -- opimd-type configurable ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
fatfingershell ?
Hi I just *love* the fatfingershell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV4p414_VJM http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/ .. and i'm really curious if there's been any update since april 1 ? If I think real hard, there's a number of things that come to mind to make it fully functional. Some of them I'm puzzling on, others are beyond me, but perhaps people on this list have suggestions ? Here's a list I wrote: *to handle incoming signals from the dbus: - handlers to send dbus signals to the running bash shell. it could be as simple as a wall message - incoming call from xxx. I *imagine* thats just a matter of changing yaml files, but that would break your 'default' phone functionality forever ? You'd want to temporarily disable some default handlers while fatfingershell is running. I wouldnt know how to do that. Perhaps Siglaunchd can help ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd - Non-keyboard handlers to reply to such signals. E.g. when the phone rings, you may be in the middle of typing some text, or maybe not using the keyboard at all (f.e. looking at tangogps). So you can't type yes to answer the phone; instead, pressing a button should answer or cancel the call (and perhaps switch to bash to start some interactive app, if you werent already doing something else there ...) *for the fatfingershell c app itself: - a separate middle layer, so the transparency of the middle layer doesnt affect the transparency of the font I'm afraid this depends on SDL_Terminal .. not sure if it can do that at all. - a slightly bigger font size - a way to set the terminal location/rect to match other keyboard layouts - a way to use a vertical layout instead. that makes more sense to me, but also, SHR-U crashes when resuming from deep sleep in landscape mode, making ffshell unusable for now :-( - arrows on the keyboard layout to use your history. - removing the -d option, focusing on 'selecting' a layout instead. there might be more then 2 options; and it could be as simple as copying the right files to the right place. - additional layouts. i'm playing with those :-) - a 3rd keyboard for special chars (1 is keys, 2 is numbers, 3 is *) - I'm short on screen estate already :-) *for the package - a suite of bash scripts to do things, like send sms's and make calls. these are around, and i'm playing with them. - smart bash tab completion for these bash scripts, to do them fast. sending an sms to john could be as quick as typing s[tab] @j[tab]. no gui is ever going to beat that :-) - a nice opk package :-) just playing, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
first, let me say sorry for the post this moring. i had the finger to long on the power knob. in fact, i had loglevel 8 while i took the picture. with loglevel 4 i get (meanwhile) the four messages you told (g_ether) and two more messages of my own. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/2-6-31-is-out-where-is-my-ultimate-kernel-tp3619631p3640633.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner in real world
Dear all, last weekend I went for a small cycling tour and I thought, with gps in my Freerunner and track load capabilities of tangogps there is no need anymore for physical maps - I took the Freerunner with me. I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. However, two small problems: - I could not attach the phone properly to my bike; had to put it in a front bag and this was somehow a pain; also with some troubles with the sun making the reading from the display rather hard - The power capacity was just enough to bring me from A to B; another (longer) trip might result in troubles / me getting lost :( So my question: has anybody got any experiences with - attaching a Freerunner to a bike (maybe even incl. sun protection) - using some additional batteries? Thx in advance for you input; greetings Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
matzehuber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de writes: with loglevel 4 i get (meanwhile) the four messages you told (g_ether) and two more messages of my own. Ok, np. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44:21AM +0200, Michael Pilgermann wrote: So my question: has anybody got any experiences with - attaching a Freerunner to a bike (maybe even incl. sun protection) Haven't seen wit sun protection, but this looks good http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Biking#Bike_Mounts also some more info in thread http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td666287 - using some additional batteries? I've spare battery from some old nokia, its BL-5C, but freerunner cannot charge it (I've read somewhere, didn't test it), so I'm using that old nokia phone as charger :). Pity that speaker volume is too low for me to understand what is navit talking about route directions.. First I was able to hear neo talking was at home after 50km trip :), maybe next time I should try to integrate BT headset to bike helmet :). Thx in advance for you input; greetings You're welcome -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de writes: So my question: has anybody got any experiences with - using some additional batteries? Just get some dirt-cheap nokia BL-6C (or 5C) spares. :) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com writes: I've spare battery from some old nokia, its BL-5C, but freerunner cannot charge it (I've read somewhere, didn't test it), so I'm using that old nokia phone as charger :). FR can and always could charge nokia batteries. Please read battery questions and answers on the wiki. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:24:04AM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:52:53PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: That will result in two icons in launchers. why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm and copy the matching one? Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... Eh? $DISPLAY can point to another device than the one running the window manager and/or launcher, this setup is standard practice in the X world. Please refer to e.g. URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
Vincent Meurisse wrote: - Bad sound quality. I got complain until I switched to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new. With this, the speaker is still too low but at least the other person can hear me. This is probably impossible to solve out-of-the-box. If a am right, phones need different alsa setting (at least the buzz-fixed alsa scenarios are different). E.g. for me the quality is good and the sound volume is ok too. We could write application that can test several scenarios and you could pick up the one, that fits you best. This is very simple to implement (someone volunteer? :) You can also try to play with qAlsaMixer. - about the first second of conversation is cut. This is very annoying. For incoming out outgoing call? For me outgoing is ok, for incoming it takes a second between the Answer button press and when the call is activated. I usually watch the screen until the call time starts counting and then start speaking. Something probably takes some time (maybe switching alsa scenario?). - When registering multiple numbers for a contact, some are not callable (like mobile and other). The phone show a list of numbers without them. Yup, another bug to be solved. - My provider (orange in France) use service request (#123#) to give me the remaining credit. Unfortunately qtmoko only display the first line of the answer (which btw doesn't contain any usefull information). Moreover it's not possible to respond to it. Can you please enable Modem AT commands logging and send me the line with the text that operator sent? (should be line containing +CUSD). - Phone doesn't re-register to GSM network (like after leaving airplane mode or after network error) Ok - Alarm are not working (I get them after reboot) Known issue and i'd like to solve this one very much, because i need alarms too. - Restart Qt Extended doesn't work (I get stuck in the console with the blinking cursor) This should be fixed now, see [1]. - Boot time is still too long (2'40 to first picture, 3'10 to PIN screen) Yes, known issue with great improvement potential. E.g. by replacing bash with dash i can get time 2:30 (booted ready to make call system). It can be done like: apt-get install dash dpkg-reconfigure dash and edit /etc/inid.d/qpe so that it reads: #!/bin/sh echo '1' /proc/sys/kernel/printk rm -rf /var/run/ppp mkdir /var/run/ppp mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial . /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env atd /var/spool/at qx_helper touch /tmp/restart-qtopia while [ -e /tmp/restart-qtopia ]; do echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on qpe 2 /dev/null done - QtExtended theme is not readable under the sun. A theme with more contrast would be apreciated I saw such theme somewhere. If it could be installed as package there we can add it to qtmoko package repository. - I find v9 more crashy than other version (5 crashes in 2 days). Maybe it's due to a more intense usage. It seems that problem is in truetype font memory usage and it should be fixed for next release. In meanwhile you can uncomment all tmpfs mounts in fstab (except the apt one). - A nice boot logo would be nicer than console messages for 2 minutes Agree here. A real bugtracker would be a good idea. The current one seems unloved (only 6 bugs, none of them ever receive an update). When reporting a bug, it's not possible to enter the image version (like v9). It would be also great if the qtmoko version where accessible from the information application on the phone. I agree here too, i will try to get in touch with Fabio who is (i believe) qtmoko.org admin. Regards Radek [1] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/commit/19da059b66daa69b29a1a0bf92246b2d31d41e9a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
informal Openmoko Meeting in Munich (Stammtisch) on 15th September 2009
Dear community members in or near Munich, the next Stammtisch is taking place tomorrow at 19:00: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=71t=1540p=15234 Location: Die Wildsau, München, Balanstraße 121 http://www.die-wildsau.de/ cu, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
2009/9/14 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de - using some additional batteries? I've used the FR on an 8-day bike trip. I had 2 spare nokia batteries and recharged them once, halfway through the trip. I had the GSM turned off permanently and the FR suspended most of the time, using it once every hour or so to look at the map see my location. I used some proprietary maps :-). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
Hi, Thanks to LKML discussion there's an interesting switch found that reportedly makes CFS behave as good as BFS for typical desktop workloads. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
Cool! Would this setting be changed permanently when following your instructions below? If not, how can we make it permanent (ie. applied even after reboot)? Thanks, Niels. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 _ Reageer op foto’s van je vrienden en bekijk hun reacties op de jouwe. Gegarandeerd hilariteit! http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:51:44PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Thanks to LKML discussion there's an interesting switch found that reportedly makes CFS behave as good as BFS for typical desktop workloads. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 ITYM it will not magically solve? Anyway, it's work-in-progress just as BFS is, and obviously depends on debugfs, and touches tunables BFS doesn't need, and the freerunner is not your typical desktop, so it should be taken with a grain of salt! But thanks :) -- mjt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Survey: How does open source influence the community?
Hi, I'm a researcher in the field of open source beyond software. Currently I'm investigating the special meaning of openness and its importance for the communities in this field. Your opinion as Openmoko community member is very important to me! That's why I'm inviting you to fill out my survey. Answering the questions may take about 5-7 minutes. The individual responses will be kept strictly confidential, aggregated results will be published as soon as the survey is finished. Your response will help advance my research on the nature of hardware/software open source projects and help improve the quality of open source projects. I can also provide some specific results about Openmoko, if you are interested in details about your community. Please follow this link: http://www.survey.open-innovation-projects.org/start/36/ The survey is conducted on a per project basis. In case you receive my request more than once, it's because you are involved in several communities. It would be great if you would fill out the survey more than once, for all projects which are relevant to you. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me. If you are interested in more details about me and my research, please take a look at: http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research Thank you very much for your help! Best regards Kerstin Balka ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey: How does open source influence the community?
Looks good! I also added it to the community news that will be released on day after tomorrow. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-09-16 r On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kerstin kerba.li...@open-innovation-projects.org wrote: Hi, I'm a researcher in the field of open source beyond software. Currently I'm investigating the special meaning of openness and its importance for the communities in this field. Your opinion as Openmoko community member is very important to me! That's why I'm inviting you to fill out my survey. Answering the questions may take about 5-7 minutes. The individual responses will be kept strictly confidential, aggregated results will be published as soon as the survey is finished. Your response will help advance my research on the nature of hardware/software open source projects and help improve the quality of open source projects. I can also provide some specific results about Openmoko, if you are interested in details about your community. Please follow this link: http://www.survey.open-innovation-projects.org/start/36/ The survey is conducted on a per project basis. In case you receive my request more than once, it's because you are involved in several communities. It would be great if you would fill out the survey more than once, for all projects which are relevant to you. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me. If you are interested in more details about me and my research, please take a look at: http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research Thank you very much for your help! Best regards Kerstin Balka ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:44:21 +0200 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: last weekend I went for a small cycling tour and I thought, with gps in my Freerunner and track load capabilities of tangogps there is no need anymore for physical maps - I took the Freerunner with me. I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. What distribution do you use, and what version? I don't have working GPS at all with FSO. However, two small problems: - I could not attach the phone properly to my bike; had to put it in a front bag and this was somehow a pain; also with some troubles with the sun making the reading from the display rather hard I have a mobile phone handlebar case which I use with my etrex. The openmoko just barely goes in. I might have to look for a slightly larger case. - The power capacity was just enough to bring me from A to B; another (longer) trip might result in troubles / me getting lost :( If I was touring I would consider taking solar power. Or maybe using suspend for part of the time. So my question: has anybody got any experiences with - attaching a Freerunner to a bike (maybe even incl. sun protection) - using some additional batteries? USB power is fairly easy to wire up. You just need to provide regulated power. The problem for me would be the mass of the external battery. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: Would this setting be changed permanently when following your instructions below? If not, how can we make it permanent (ie. applied even after reboot)? Change fstab and stuff the line somewhere in init scripts... -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
- using some additional batteries? i was just about to buy Just Mobile Gum PRO Mobile Power Pack 440 7 x 5,2 x 2,2 cm ; 150 g; 4400 mAh, 1000mA Output which should solve the need to shutdown and exchange battery. from the measurements it's neither big nor heavy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: nEo theme issues
2009/9/13 Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: didnt really read the ml for about 1 month now, but there are somi issues with teh neo theme (read somethign about it in th launcher thread also in the germa freeyourphone forum. i am currently moving to another city in another federal state. things will be worked out as soon as i have internet at home. right now i am using the internet terminal at mcdonalds to check on most important things. since mailinglists tend to leave issues and bits of information scattered, please if you want the remainign nEo theme issues to be resolved post them here and it will be take care of, cause i am not gonna look for suggestions/bugreporst all over the list. i just look into topics i find interesting so either post issues here or mail me directly. gn8 Hi, Thanks for great theme, I like it a lot! Are neo-theme files in SCM somewhere? It would be needed for preparing bbfiles for shr, or at least releasing some source-version.tar.gz with all files needed? I think that all parts together in one repo or gzip would be ok, we can split all 6 parts to packages with bitbake. Then theme-shr and theme-neo packages could be modified to install theme files to subdirectory and then set symlinks in postinst and block each other, or even better install shr to default with symlinks targeted there and add theme changing item to shr-settings :). Regards JaMa just edje_decc the edj files of which the theme consists and you have the sources. br ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: nEo theme issues
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:41:54PM +0200, Bernd Prünster wrote: 2009/9/13 Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com: just edje_decc the edj files of which the theme consists and you have the sources. br I don't need .edc, just all files in other format then ipkg itself? I can extract them, but then I would have to do it everytime you have new version. If you publish it somewhere in public repo, then I'll incorporate it to shr distribution easily and we would get update with every new version you commit to repository. I've already changed shr libframeworkd-phonegui-efl and etk-theme-shr behaviour to install their files to subdirectory and then both themes just calls update-alternative to change just one link in postinst. Now I've repacked all your files to one tarball and I'm using it locally but before sending patch incorporating theme to shr we need files somewhere (SCM would be better, tarball good, extracting your ipkgs just to get files to pack them again is no go :)) Thanks -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: nEo theme issues
Am Montag 14 September 2009 13:49:56 schrieb Martin Jansa: Now I've repacked all your files to one tarball and I'm using it locally but before sending patch incorporating theme to shr we need files somewhere (SCM would be better, tarball good, extracting your ipkgs just to get files to pack them again is no go :)) I'm sure mrmoku can grant hin git access to shr-themes.git so that he can store the theme there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
For the Powerissue I can recommend the Minty-powerboost (although u have to use AAA-Batteries)It got me through a 6 houer hike with no Suspend,GPS and GSM on The next thing I'll trie is this one http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-solar-iPodiPhone-charger-aka-Might/ might be better for hiking/bikeing and should get u through longer trips due to the solarpanel and the recahrchable battery inside. Am Montag, den 14.09.2009, 10:44 +0200 schrieb Michael Pilgermann: Dear all, last weekend I went for a small cycling tour and I thought, with gps in my Freerunner and track load capabilities of tangogps there is no need anymore for physical maps - I took the Freerunner with me. I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. However, two small problems: - I could not attach the phone properly to my bike; had to put it in a front bag and this was somehow a pain; also with some troubles with the sun making the reading from the display rather hard - The power capacity was just enough to bring me from A to B; another (longer) trip might result in troubles / me getting lost :( So my question: has anybody got any experiences with - attaching a Freerunner to a bike (maybe even incl. sun protection) - using some additional batteries? Thx in advance for you input; greetings Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: nEo theme issues
Am Montag 14 September 2009 14:13:54 schrieb Thomas Zimmermann: Am Montag 14 September 2009 13:49:56 schrieb Martin Jansa: Now I've repacked all your files to one tarball and I'm using it locally but before sending patch incorporating theme to shr we need files somewhere (SCM would be better, tarball good, extracting your ipkgs just to get files to pack them again is no go :)) I'm sure mrmoku can grant hin git access to shr-themes.git so that he can store the theme there. No Problem - if wanted I just need a public ssh key :-) -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dbus api for gta2 accelerometers
On Sunday 13 September 2009, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 07:50:26PM +0200, Ivo van den Maagdenberg wrote: The use case is as follows: take the openmoko and make it a cycleway shock measuring platform, utilizing the accelerometers. So, direct reads from the are going to be needed. The gps unit is of course of interest to make the measurements location-based. I've had an idea along the same lines: Use accelerometer data to log the position of points during a train ride. Only, I'd need GPS readings that are accurately timestamped, i.e. not rounded to whole seconds. I think you can get the more accurate timestamp if you talk to the GPS direct in UBX format as omgps can. I don't remember whether the NMEA output uses integer or fractional seconds on this unit. Gypsy uses integer seconds since epoch as its timestamp, and I think this is where the rounding occurs. fso- gpsd reads from gypsy so inherits the rounding. Out of interest why you want to know the position of the points, and how do you intend to distinguish them from a lateral track defect? As a former railway test engineer I'm interested. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
Hi Michael, I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. What distribution do you use, and what version? I don't have working GPS at all with FSO. I am using SHR-U, which is doing the job very well. However, two small problems: - I could not attach the phone properly to my bike; had to put it in a front bag and this was somehow a pain; also with some troubles with the sun making the reading from the display rather hard I have a mobile phone handlebar case which I use with my etrex. The openmoko just barely goes in. I might have to look for a slightly larger case. Yeah, I checked some cases as well on the Net; I am a bit concerned about the Freerunner dropping out of this thing ... have to give it a go. - The power capacity was just enough to bring me from A to B; another (longer) trip might result in troubles / me getting lost :( If I was touring I would consider taking solar power. Or maybe using suspend for part of the time. Well; I tried suspend at the beginning; but that's not really fun - the track gets dropped in tangoGPS and you have to re-orientate yourself; I think - when driving using GPS - I want this map in front of me all the time ;) Thx Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hi, I want to emulate android, OM2008.x, etc on qemu configured for gta02
HI, can u help me with this I have done make qemu on ubuntu according to wiki on openmoko site, but can any1 help me proceed futher to flash an image and change emulation to gta02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
On Friday 11 September 2009 18:13:15 Giovanni wrote: twinkle http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Twinkle Thanks but since I'm using SHR, I'm not certain that the package can be easily imported since Twinkle is for a debian installation. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
shr-u: how do you keep awake?
while playing around with shr-u the last week, i enabled autosuspend, which works well. i was pleasantly suprised to see, that the fr stays nevertheless awake when on usb -- a feat i did not yet manage with debian/fso. how is that done? looking at the config files did not really make things clear to me, but posed again the question of the relation between [odeviced.idlenotifier] ignoreinput = 2,3,4 and [odeviced.input] report1 = AUX,key,169,1 report2 = POWER,key,116,1 report3 = CHARGER,key,356,0 report4 = HEADSET,switch,2,0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-u: how do you keep awake?
I do not know of the technical details, maybe a dev can answer it better, all I know is that upon receiving a charge from USB autosuspend is automatically. If you feel up to it you can dig through git and see what is going on. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: while playing around with shr-u the last week, i enabled autosuspend, which works well. i was pleasantly suprised to see, that the fr stays nevertheless awake when on usb -- a feat i did not yet manage with debian/fso. how is that done? looking at the config files did not really make things clear to me, but posed again the question of the relation between [odeviced.idlenotifier] ignoreinput = 2,3,4 and [odeviced.input] report1 = AUX,key,169,1 report2 = POWER,key,116,1 report3 = CHARGER,key,356,0 report4 = HEADSET,switch,2,0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-u: how do you keep awake?
Am Montag 14 September 2009 14:55:22 schrieb arne anka: while playing around with shr-u the last week, i enabled autosuspend, which works well. i was pleasantly suprised to see, that the fr stays nevertheless awake when on usb -- a feat i did not yet manage with debian/fso. how is that done? looking at the config files did not really make things clear to me, but posed again the question of the relation between [odeviced.idlenotifier] ignoreinput = 2,3,4 and [odeviced.input] report1 = AUX,key,169,1 report2 = POWER,key,116,1 report3 = CHARGER,key,356,0 report4 = HEADSET,switch,2,0 it is done via a rule in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: - while: PowerStatus() filters: Not(HasAttr(status, discharging)) actions: OccupyResource(CPU) -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM, John Dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote: However I well ultimately need a SIP phone application in the end. http://www.openapathy.org/screenshots/ Designed for the freerunner, uses elementary. Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
On Monday 14 September 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Thanks to LKML discussion there's an interesting switch found that reportedly makes CFS behave as good as BFS for typical desktop workloads. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 According to a later post[2] the mounting should be unnecessary, and this should be sufficient: echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features [2] http://www.gossamer- threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1128181?do=post_view_threaded#1128181 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Indeed... sounds like a bug report to the FSO guys is in order. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
there is a repo to get linphone from: /repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4thttp://www.google.com/bookmarks/url?url=http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4t/ei=b0OuSvC5BIuCoQP1qvylDAsig2=DXiPCcdvLtcV6EH7ZZsp9gct=b using opkg install linphone linphonec linphone-rings and This Page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone to setup via linphonec i managed to log into http://iptel.org/ and even got it to play some nice music to me by dialling the test number - but .. this only works by using the stereoout.state. As soon as i switch to voip-statefile there is no way to get as much as a blip out of linphone :( The same statefile worked under Debian using Twinkle so i have no clue whats different. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
On Monday 14 September 2009 09:22:10 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: http://www.openapathy.org/screenshots/ Designed for the freerunner, uses elementary. Laszlo Thanks Laszlo, looks promising but I will probably be done by the time this application is actually available to the SHR-unstable distro. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... Eh? $DISPLAY can point to another device than the one running the window manager and/or launcher, this setup is standard practice in the X world. Sure. I use such configurations heavily myself. But doing so from a phone-like device is a very strange idea IMO. Could you find a useful use-case for that? Nikita signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
According to a later post[2] the mounting should be unnecessary, and this should be sufficient: echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features at least here Linux debian-gta02 2.6.29-20090702.gitd1c828aa #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 24 22:35:01 UTC 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features does not exist. -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
X screen server vs FSO display resource
AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Indeed... sounds like a bug report to the FSO guys is in order. This could be likely implememted in form of a X screen saver application that will e.g. keep FSO's Display resource requested until it is time to save screen, at which moment Display resource should be released. And re-requested when screen should no longer be saved. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
On Monday 14 September 2009 09:41:41 m k wrote: there is a repo to get linphone from: /repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4thttp://www.google.com/bookmarks/u rl?url=http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4 t/ei=b0OuSvC5BIuCoQP1qvylDAsig2=DXiPCcdvLtcV6EH7ZZsp9gct=b using opkg install linphone linphonec linphone-rings and This Page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone to setup via linphonec i managed to log into http://iptel.org/ and even got it to play some nice music to me by dialling the test number - but .. this only works by using the stereoout.state. As soon as i switch to voip-statefile there is no way to get as much as a blip out of linphone :( The same statefile worked under Debian using Twinkle so i have no clue whats different. Thanks to everyone who replied and you were all very helpful. It looks like linphone is the app of choice simply because it installs as is with the SHR- unstable packages right now. I actually don't need the audio to work, I just need the SIP protocol stack to work. Linphone seems to do that although the GUI is a bit messed up on the Neo display. There is a lot of text crowding and improper sizing of the various dialog windows and icons but I can live with that for now. Apathy would be nice if it was actually available but it seems to be a bit of a ways out for a delivery to the SHR-unstable package list. Twinkle seems to only be available for a debian system and I'm not about to try and tangle with package importing right now. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-u: how do you keep awake?
On 9/14/09, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de wrote: Am Montag 14 September 2009 14:55:22 schrieb arne anka: while playing around with shr-u the last week, i enabled autosuspend, which works well. i was pleasantly suprised to see, that the fr stays nevertheless awake when on usb -- a feat i did not yet manage with debian/fso. how is that done? looking at the config files did not really make things clear to me, but posed again the question of the relation between [odeviced.idlenotifier] ignoreinput = 2,3,4 and [odeviced.input] report1 = AUX,key,169,1 report2 = POWER,key,116,1 report3 = CHARGER,key,356,0 report4 = HEADSET,switch,2,0 it is done via a rule in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: - while: PowerStatus() filters: Not(HasAttr(status, discharging)) actions: OccupyResource(CPU) -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann Poor mrmoku, poor ;) It can be done by that rule on every FSO system, but even without it SHR won't suspend when charging, as it's managed by ophonekitd ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:51:44PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Thanks to LKML discussion there's an interesting switch found that reportedly makes CFS behave as good as BFS for typical desktop workloads. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 I will keep it on for some more time, but I must say that the effect was immediate. This is what I did try immediately and already felt a difference: 1) expand panel (faster) 2) get task list (faster) 3) switch applications from task list (faster) 4) switch applications from panel left and right buttons (faster) 5) suspend (faster) 6) resume (faster) Of course I have no idea on the effects of power saving or how much of these faster things don't actually suffer from some psychological effect :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] Where to get python-etk and python-efl on ubuntu
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: I want to start playing around with application development for my FR. Does anyone know where I can find packages for python-etk etc. for ubuntu? http://packages.enlightenment.org/ --lf regards, Adolph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sometimes you gotta look reality in the face and say no! -- Benjamin Gonzalez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 04:32:54PM +0200, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: Am Montag 14 September 2009 15:33:56 schrieb Al Johnson: On Monday 14 September 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Thanks to LKML discussion there's an interesting switch found that reportedly makes CFS behave as good as BFS for typical desktop workloads. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 According to a later post[2] the mounting should be unnecessary, and this should be sufficient: echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features you have to mount debugfs to /sys/kernel/debug then though... as otherwise /sys/kernel/debug is empty. Probably the idea is that you should rather do: mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: nEo theme issues
2009/9/14 Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com: If you're interested in how I solved file collisions between your theme and shr one.. see attachement 1 with OE-repo diff and 2nd with file layout. The advantage is that only one link (target of default directory) is set in postinst which I should do with update-alterantives (but that later). -- uin:136542059 jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa Martin, u talk with mrmoku so you get git access since you already patched the theme. another thing i'd like to ask you is to recolor the elm bubbles to black with green border. as is stated few days ago i am currently moving and dont have time and dont have fast internet atm (using mcdonalds intenet terminal or my freerunner as gprs modem. i should be back in action in about 2 weeks. then i can include the latest icons into the neo icon theme, reolsve the reminaing issues and complete the neo theme and can finally finish the gry* illume theme. i am not a complete geek without a life, so things will probably delay even further. regarding theming i just want to polish everything up complete the icon theme etc and finish the gry* theme... and as soon as everything is in shr git repo i dont need to be bothered for every little issue. martin i would be glad if you could manage to get teh neo themes into git ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:26:20PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:51:44PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Thanks to LKML discussion there's an interesting switch found that reportedly makes CFS behave as good as BFS for typical desktop workloads. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 I will keep it on for some more time, but I must say that the effect was immediate. This is what I did try immediately and already felt a difference: 1) expand panel (faster) 2) get task list (faster) 3) switch applications from task list (faster) 4) switch applications from panel left and right buttons (faster) 5) suspend (faster) 6) resume (faster) Of course I have no idea on the effects of power saving or how much of these faster things don't actually suffer from some psychological effect :) 7) loading SHR's Dialer (faster) 8) time between pressing 'call' and call actually being made (faster) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Icon issue with SHR-unstable...
I can run the Linphone app but on the neo main display the linphone icon is shown as the default (or unknown) icon of a blank page. The linphone app has a linphone.png file under /usr/share/pixmaps (I just copied it there) but after I rebooted, it's still the blank page showing. Where should the linphone icon file go and is a png format the correct format to use for SHR? Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
Am Montag 14 September 2009 15:33:56 schrieb Al Johnson: On Monday 14 September 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Thanks to LKML discussion there's an interesting switch found that reportedly makes CFS behave as good as BFS for typical desktop workloads. Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do: mkdir /debug mount -t debugfs none /debug echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve experience at least somewhat. [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3 According to a later post[2] the mounting should be unnecessary, and this should be sufficient: echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features you have to mount debugfs to /sys/kernel/debug then though... as otherwise /sys/kernel/debug is empty. [2] http://www.gossamer- threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1128181?do=post_view_threaded#1128181 -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All] Where to get python-etk and python-efl on ubuntu
I want to start playing around with application development for my FR. Does anyone know where I can find packages for python-etk etc. for ubuntu? regards, Adolph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hi, I want to emulate android, OM2008.x, etc on qemu configured for gta02
Aditya Gandhi wrote: HI, can u help me with this I have done make qemu on ubuntu according to wiki on openmoko site, but can any1 help me proceed futher to flash an image and change emulation to gta02 Hi Aditya, emulator is nowadays not much needed. It would take a lot of effort to emulate Openmoko hardware drivers in qemu. Running and debugging all the software on real hardware is more comfortable (with gdb, nfs and other tools). Maybe somebody has working qemu, but i would not bet on it. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Monday 14 September 2009, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... Eh? $DISPLAY can point to another device than the one running the window manager and/or launcher, this setup is standard practice in the X world. Sure. I use such configurations heavily myself. But doing so from a phone-like device is a very strange idea IMO. Could you find a useful use-case for that? Nice as the FR screen and illume keyboard are, I sometimes wish I had a bigger screen, or a real keyboard. Or a mouse. Navit and tangogps in particular benefit from a bigger screen. Until recently neither were on my netbook, but a quick bit of display forwarding took care of that. I've also used it while developing python apps because it's more convenient to have app appear on the screen where I'm doing the editing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[all] USB Device-Network-Mode Switcher
Hello! I recently had my Neo with me to visit some friends and always found it quite annoying to have to ssh into it, especially if they ran Windows®. So I built a little python script and a .desktop icon that can switch between network and device mode by just a touch. ;) You might (will) want to adjust mountpoints and the script path in the .desktop file. As always, this only works if you're running the OS from internal flash. And it might eat your cat, which would be sad. (Of course I don't expect it to do so.) I'm curious to hear if this makes someone happy. :) http://d-a300.selfip.net/files/devnetswitch.tar.gz (Feel free to host somewhere, the DynDNS-hostname isn't too reliable.) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-u: how do you keep awake?
it is done via a rule in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: - while: PowerStatus() filters: Not(HasAttr(status, discharging)) actions: OccupyResource(CPU) -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann Poor mrmoku, poor ;) It can be done by that rule on every FSO system, poor or not -- it was exactly what i was looking for a long time. thank you very much. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: informal Openmoko Meeting in Munich (Stammtisch) on 15th September 2009
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Dear community members in or near Munich, the next Stammtisch is taking place tomorrow at 19:00: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=71t=1540p=15234 Location: Die Wildsau, München, Balanstraße 121 http://www.die-wildsau.de/ cu, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Is there room for a lone FR carrying Canadian? I'm in Ottobrunn for a few days and may be available. Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
Michael Pilgermann wrote: Dear all, last weekend I went for a small cycling tour and I thought, with gps in my Freerunner and track load capabilities of tangogps there is no need anymore for physical maps - I took the Freerunner with me. I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. However, two small problems: - I could not attach the phone properly to my bike; had to put it in a front bag and this was somehow a pain; also with some troubles with the sun making the reading from the display rather hard - The power capacity was just enough to bring me from A to B; another (longer) trip might result in troubles / me getting lost :( So my question: has anybody got any experiences with - attaching a Freerunner to a bike (maybe even incl. sun protection) - using some additional batteries? Thx in advance for you input; greetings Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Once, I used a USB battery v2 from Hackaday (4 AA batteries) that I soldered myself. It made the FR work twice as long, but the main battery was drained to 0%, what doesn't sound healthy. My not-so-new batteries seemed not to be able to provide the phone with enough power for it to boot. Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:42:46 +0200 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. What distribution do you use, and what version? I don't have working GPS at all with FSO. I am using SHR-U, which is doing the job very well. Thanks. What exactly is SHR-U? I have searched the wiki but I can't find that term used anywhere. I am running SHR in NAND from 8 August but I haven't updated it. Is your system up to date with opkg? I am trying to identify the differences behind my problem. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
Am Dienstag, den 15.09.2009, 06:44 +1000 schrieb Michael Smith: On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:42:46 +0200 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. What distribution do you use, and what version? I don't have working GPS at all with FSO. I am using SHR-U, which is doing the job very well. Thanks. What exactly is SHR-U? I have searched the wiki but I can't find that term used anywhere. I am running SHR in NAND from 8 August but I haven't updated it. Is your system up to date with opkg? I am trying to identify the differences behind my problem. SHR-U is SHR's Unstable branch, the actively developed one. Your installation seems to be an Unstable one, a non-updated though. I had no problems upgrading from 8-8-2009 to today. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
Hi, I am using for more than a year: - very cheap universal bike phone holder - I have only Czech shop URL, but I believe there should be many of such holders around. http://www.mnshop.cz/zbozi-822-univerzalni_drzak_pro_pda_a_mobilni_telefony_na_kolo.htm this one costs about EUR 12 - portable power supply http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usbliionbatterypack.htm. it will give you about two full battery rounds, so you will get something like 15 hours of battery life with GPS on. now I am also using a front bike bag http://www.alfa-sport.cz/cyklisticke-brasny-riditka/sport-arsenal-brasna-na-riditka-510 to hold the power supply (and a camera, my wallet, ...). bye, Alef 2009/9/14 rhn omcomali@porcupinefactory.org: Michael Pilgermann wrote: Dear all, last weekend I went for a small cycling tour and I thought, with gps in my Freerunner and track load capabilities of tangogps there is no need anymore for physical maps - I took the Freerunner with me. I was really impressed, how smoothly the whole thing was working. No problems with the GPS; no problems with tangogps either. However, two small problems: - I could not attach the phone properly to my bike; had to put it in a front bag and this was somehow a pain; also with some troubles with the sun making the reading from the display rather hard - The power capacity was just enough to bring me from A to B; another (longer) trip might result in troubles / me getting lost :( So my question: has anybody got any experiences with - attaching a Freerunner to a bike (maybe even incl. sun protection) - using some additional batteries? Thx in advance for you input; greetings Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Once, I used a USB battery v2 from Hackaday (4 AA batteries) that I soldered myself. It made the FR work twice as long, but the main battery was drained to 0%, what doesn't sound healthy. My not-so-new batteries seemed not to be able to provide the phone with enough power for it to boot. Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko - mass import of contacts?
Update - I think I might have figured it out. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps the addressbook needs some env vars configured when started from a (ssh) shell? Ok, now I tried: r...@neo:~# source /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env r...@neo:/root# DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/qtmoko/lib /opt/qtmoko/bin/addressbook /home/root/Documents/phone.vcf and that seems to be working better (still importing as I write this) A while later - yes, that was it. The import worked. I need to tweak the csv2vcard script, but thats a different issue. I got one message during the import: found unknown attribute in vobject, TEL Does anyone know if the Vcard attributes that addressbook understads is listed anywhere? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko - mass import of contacts?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.comwrote: A while later - yes, that was it. The import worked. I need to tweak the csv2vcard script, but thats a different issue. It seems like it us using the /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite database: r...@neo:~# ls -l /opt/qtmoko/qtopia_db.sqlite /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 403456 Sep 14 23:25 /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite -rw-r--r-- 1 1000 1000 175104 Sep 13 21:59 /opt/qtmoko/qtopia_db.sqlite -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Monday 14 September 2009 04:07:43 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:49 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca said: Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the application use a standard protocol to sync-up. AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Bzzt. Wrong. IdleNotifier is optional as are the rules in oeventsd. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dbus api for gta2 accelerometers
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:36:35PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: Out of interest why you want to know the position of the points, For simulation purposes. Aerial photographs can be used too, of course, but it is quite time consuming to measure the distances that way. Curves are also an issue that I hope the GPS will do away with. and how do you intend to distinguish them from a lateral track defect? I don't know if it can be done automatically. The idea is to detect the common crossing as the wheels pass over it, and maybe you can tell from the accelerometer readings that only wheels on one side ran over something or perhaps the data show a particular signature from the common crossing that a lateral track defect doesn't have. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:38:49 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca said: AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Indeed... sounds like a bug report to the FSO guys is in order. well fso wants to implement this so it works outside of x11. personally i dont think fso should be blanking, playing with or otherwise having anything to do with the screen. the display system does that, be it x11, dfb or some dumb fb app. these apps should/could feed fso with idle information, if they please, but this should be left to the windowing system and its environment to handle. imho. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:11:54 +0200 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de said: On Monday 14 September 2009 04:07:43 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:49 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca said: Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the application use a standard protocol to sync-up. AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Bzzt. Wrong. IdleNotifier is optional as are the rules in oeventsd. thats where i disagree. you have e-invented fso handling idle detection, even if optional. it should b the other way. fso is notified of idleness by the respective management systems. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[all] gpe-sketchbook file save location.
im sure im going to get some google it responses but im putting it out anyway. i still cannot find the save locations of gpe-sketchbook sketches. app page says nothing, googling gpe-sketchbook save location does not give me anything, and randomly hunting around the directory tree is not working. anyone? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dbus api for gta2 accelerometers
The use case is as follows: take the openmoko and make it a cycleway shock measuring platform, utilizing the accelerometers. So, direct reads from the are going to be needed. The gps unit is of course of interest to make the measurements location-based. Looks like an interesting idea to combine GPS way points with accel data. Sriranjan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out,where is my ultimate kernel?
I'm still a bit confused. I'm in the same boat with others here where it takes between 3 and 4 rings before I can take any action on the incoming call. (shr-u and u-boot, both recently updated) What is the condition that allows one to take action on a call ~1 ring, and how does the end user get to that point? I think there are some who will point to Qi as a part of the solution, but I understand that this is a faith-based discussion. ;) I'd prefer to remain with u-boot for now until the suggested kexec kernel shows up to allow me to directly select the partition I wish to boot from. Russell Dwiggins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all] gpe-sketchbook file save location.
Look under $HOME/.gpe/sketchbook/ В Пнд, 14/09/2009 в 20:24 -0700, jeremy jozwik пишет: im sure im going to get some google it responses but im putting it out anyway. i still cannot find the save locations of gpe-sketchbook sketches. app page says nothing, googling gpe-sketchbook save location does not give me anything, and randomly hunting around the directory tree is not working. anyone? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
