Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community

2012-05-31 Thread Lally Singh
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

 It has become a little quiet here in the last weeks so that I
 really fear about the spirit and status of this community.

 So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds?
 What would you like as future hardware? What to see in software
 distros? Anything else? What missing piece are you waiting for?

 If we exchange these ideas it may be possible that we all
 work together (with smaller and bigger contributions - everyone
 as he/she likes) to fulfill them...

 Otherwise I guess we have just to consume what Apple, Samsung,
 MS-Nokia and others are confronting us with in the next years.
 May it be open or closed as they like.

 Or is this where we see our future? Or am I completely wrong in my

 Phew - a lot of questions and so early in the morning :)


Preface: I haven't touched the OM list in probably 2-3 years; I just looked
over at a gmail tag for it and noticed holy crap, there are over 9,000
unread messages!  So many of these issues may have been addressed in some

Well, I think a prior issue has really been about expectations and risk.
 When I got my GTA02, I was really looking forward to a phone.  A phone for
me is a reliable device that I can use as my primary contact point with the
outside world for voice communication.

The GTA stack wasn't nearly good enough for that.  And that's perfectly ok
-- but I was saddened because I expected more.

The risk comes in from both the problems in it being a phone (some software
stack issues, some battery life problems, some usability issues) and in
being as expensive as it was.  The combination of its ability to negatively
impact my daily life (as a poor phone) and the cost of the device together
really hurt.

I'd rather it be said upfront (in big block lettering) that it's only good
as a secondary device, with the plan to eventually be a good phone.  I know
some said that on the list, but I also heard that some people were able to
make it work for their daily-use phone, and I was too hopeful.  Honestly
it's just too sweet a dream to expect people (like myself) to make a
terribly rational decision about, without really pressing in the facts.
 The drop to reality I think hurt many of us early enthusiasts and really
took away a lot of possible enthusiasm.

For the future -- and I'm saying this as someone who'd be interested in
coming back into the fold, learning what I have -- I'd like to see more of
a hardware-hacker tilt to it.  Closer to what we're seeing on the embedded
controller  accessories side (e.g. arduino et al.), perhaps in being able
to directly connect to other projects' expansion boards (arduino shields?
 I donno much about them, just been watching from the sideline), and/or
some analog/digital I/O pins.   This way, the device can already be useful
and fun, and it'll get a happy community while it's also ramping up its
capabilities as a phone.

My GTA02 may eventually come out of storage and become a small add-on to my
car, with some maps, GPS, and an interface to the on-board diagnostics port
to show some engine stats, etc.  And that's a  perfectly good place for it
to end up.
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Status OpenPhoneux / GTA04

2012-05-31 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all,
end of the month - time to take some breath of air and
write a status update of the OpenPhoenux/GTA04 project.

1. Group Tour
is still in production (with problems). About 30% of the boards
have been produced but had failures. About 1/3 of those had
been without problems or have been fixed now. These units
have already been shipped last week (based on a first order
first served sequence).

The other boards are in rework. The production company
now thinks they have managed how to raise production yield.
But due to illness and school holidays in Bavaria, they
have not yet continued to work.

So please expect that it will become End of June for delivery...

As soon as these group tour devices have finally been shipped,
we can start planning the next version/release. But then with
keeping a better eye on the production yield and speed.

To avoid misunderstandings: the electronical design is
working very well, as the devices show that have already
been shipped. It is a pure production problem with the solder
joints of the chips on the PCB. No electrical or electronical
problems without a workaround.

It is like running a completely debugged software on
defective memory... Or having a 200mph sports car that
you can't use because some of the screws are loose.
But for each unit there are different ones so you have
to check them all.

2. Presentation at LinuxTag
Lukas and myself gave a well recognized presentation
for an audience of approx. 70 listeners.

And we had that project meeting point, which is a booth
shared by several projects. We had very interesting
discussions there.

Presentation slides:

3. free 3D Graphics driver
one topic came up during LinuxTag: free 3D graphics
drivers. As you may know, the DM3730 has a integrated
PowerVR SGX530 GPU which is currently not even used.

There exist drivers and non-free binaries for user space
and firmware available through the project
and TI. So it is not used just because nobody did look deeply
enough into the installation procedures.

Unfortunately these are non-free software. While for the
MALI GPU, there is a very active project to reverse engineer
and write a free driver. This got quite a lot of attention during
FOSDEM and LinuxTag.

For the PowerVR there was also a project proposal last
year and it was even made a high priority project by FSF.

So I tried to find out the current status.

Well, FSF forgot to kick off the project (they said they will
now take care of it). And there is no more progress than (list of reverse engineered PowerVR SGX USSE 

And I got in contact with a handful of people interested
in this.

Since I would find it good to give us more freedom of choice
for 3D drivers, I offered to use the gta04-owner mailing list for
discussions. And maybe some of you are also interested
to contribute to this.

4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04

There may be some confusion what GTA04 and OpenPhoneux
are and what makes them different.

We define:
* GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics
* OpenPhonux: the future independent mobile handheld project
   aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components)

Currently, we run the domains and The home
page will be made more prominent and content rich soon.

This is done to become independent from the OpenMoko
brand and the domain whose future
and fate is completely uncertain.

5. OpenPhoenux Community

For the reasons mentioned above, we invite everybody to
subscribe to

which we hope will become the new community for those
interested in free and open and independent smartphone

For some time there will of course be overlap, duplication
and friction... But this new list belongs to a project that
is active.

After a while we may be able to close the gta04-owner list
and switch over to openphoenux community.

6. GTA04 installation parties

One more idea was triggered by the LinuxTag discussions:

Who of you would be interested in organizing a GTA04
installation party in your region?

Some member of the GTA04 core team could try to come
and help installing the device, the display, the camera
and also give some introduction presentations for software

Happy flying with the OpenPhoneux,

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Re: Missing for building qtmoko on Ubuntu Precise Pangolin 12.04 64-bit

2012-05-31 Thread Carsten Gerlach
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Hi Radek,

Am 27.05.2012 17:34, schrieb Radek Polak:
 ../qtmoko/configure -force-build-qt -device neo
 if that helps.

Thanks a lot! Now I get no configure errors. A make and make image
are finishing without an error, too. :-)

Now is the task to get this image to the Neo. The section in the wiki
[1] points me to the trolltech documentation [2]. In the corresponding
section [3] is written However, this option is device specific and not
within the scope of this introduction.

Can you please point me to an URL where I find an explanation of that

My goal for doing this, is, to update the translation of qtmoko.
Before posting the translated files to this list I would test them on
my Neo.

Thanks for any hint.

Greetings, Carsten


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2012-05-31 Thread robin

now that a major soccer/football event is coming up in Europe I was wondering
if it is worthwhile to invest into a DVB-T usb stick so I would eventually
be able to watch on the go...
things which I think may render this impossible are

usb 1 only

but if someone has given it a try or has more reasons why it would just not 
work, please let me know.


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