Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:

 I disagree.  The same pathological need still seems very much present.
 And the emphasis here is on the pathological.  In your emails to this
 list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological
 disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the wider
 community and for you.

So what exactly do YOU seek to accomplish by deconstructing my
motivations for working on the FreeCalypso project?  Suppose you
succeeded in convincing me to either drop the project or take it
underground to where you'll never hear about it again - how would such
a change benefit you or the wider community?

 On the other hand, you're saying that the
 only reason you need a mobile phone is to contact your loved ones.  I
 don't understand why you can't use a land line with a firmware-less
 handset.

I need *them* to be able to contact *me* freely while I roam around a
rather large geographical area.

 The fact that you're currently using a mobile phone with a
 proprietary firmware without threatening to murder people shows that
 there's some contradictions in what you're saying.

No act of murder would free my Pirelli DP-L10 from its proprietary fw,
so I don't see why I should be threatening to murder anyone.  The only
thing that would indeed free my phone from proprietary fw is technical
development work on my own FreeCalypso project, which I need to get
back to.

VLR,
SF

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Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:

 As I said, perhaps I can help you to achieve some peace.

Your help in that department is unwelcome and unwanted.  I kindly
ask that you please stop your unwelcome intrusion into my personal
life.

 However, an
 absence of your writings on this list would benefit me and the wider
 community in that in would elevate the environment to a more peaceful
 one.

There are Freerunner and other phone users here who do appreciate
hearing about progress made toward freedom-enabling phone firmware and
hardware.  So you'll just have to deal with it.

 Your emails are a mix of technical content and symptoms of your personal
 psychological problems.

I am interested ONLY in the former.  Since your thread is completely
devoid of technical content, I am not interested in continuing it.

 The latter has a negative impact on the
 community.  If your emails were technical content alone, there would be
 no problem.

They *are* technical content alone when read without trolling intent.
It is *your* choice to dig out a few occasional words which you don't
like and use them as a justification to hijack a technical post and
turn it into a lengthy non-technical noise thread.

 Unfortunately, free firmware in your phone won't actually bring you
 peace like you think it will.

Whether it does or not is *absolutely* *none* *of* *your* *business*.

SF

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Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 15:42 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote:
 Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
 
  I disagree.  The same pathological need still seems very much present.
  And the emphasis here is on the pathological.  In your emails to this
  list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological
  disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the wider
  community and for you.
 
 So what exactly do YOU seek to accomplish by deconstructing my
 motivations for working on the FreeCalypso project?

As I said, perhaps I can help you to achieve some peace.  When one
person achieves some peace, we all benefit.


 Suppose you
 succeeded in convincing me to either drop the project or take it
 underground to where you'll never hear about it again - how would such
 a change benefit you or the wider community?

My concern is not to convince you to drop the project or take it
underground.  I don't know where you got that idea from.  However, an
absence of your writings on this list would benefit me and the wider
community in that in would elevate the environment to a more peaceful
one.

Let me pick out some of the individual key words which you've written
recently and which I quoted in my last email:

peasant
unpaid
only one
hardship
unprivileged
nobody
kidnap
torture
kill
life-sacrifice
hurt
torture
painful

These words are not exactly uplifting.  One doesn't need to be a
psychiatrist to see that there some deep problems you're grappling with.
You may not recognise or acknowledge those problems.  You may not
acknowledge that others can see the symptoms but we can.

Your emails are a mix of technical content and symptoms of your personal
psychological problems.  The latter has a negative impact on the
community.  If your emails were technical content alone, there would be
no problem.

Unfortunately, free firmware in your phone won't actually bring you
peace like you think it will.  Because as soon as you got that phone, it
would become clear that you're still bound by the proprietary firmware
running on every GSM base station.  And once you'd solved that problem,
you'd go on to the next piece of proprietary firmware like the VGABIOS
in your graphics card or the controller firmware on your hard disk.  The
phone is not the problem.  The base station and laptop and hard disk are
not the problem.  The problem is within you, within your mind.  You're
not at peace.  Unfortunately, there are no screws to tighten and no code
to patch to fix your mind.


  On the other hand, you're saying that the
  only reason you need a mobile phone is to contact your loved ones.  I
  don't understand why you can't use a land line with a firmware-less
  handset.
 
 I need *them* to be able to contact *me* freely while I roam around a
 rather large geographical area.

Why?  What is so important about needing a mobile phone for immediate
contact?

As I see it, the choices you had in the past were:

1) Let your family know the nearest landline you can be contacted on as
you move around.
2) Use a phone with proprietary firmware.
3) Threaten murder.

For some reason, you chose to threaten murder.  Why?


  The fact that you're currently using a mobile phone with a
  proprietary firmware without threatening to murder people shows that
  there's some contradictions in what you're saying.
 
 No act of murder would free my Pirelli DP-L10 from its proprietary fw,

How would murder have freed your Openmoko phone from its proprietary fw?


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Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Matthias Apitz

As this thread/threat has not much to do with Openmoko, could you please
move this away from this list, talk off-list about or create somewhere
another mailing list for this idea.

Thanks in advance

matthias (long term user on GTA-02)
-- 
Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211
+49-176-38902045
Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände 
menschlich bilden.
Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar 
humanamente
las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia (MEW 
2, 138)

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Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote:

 GSM

What is it about GSM that would make you move across the world just to use it?

Do your family and friends feel the same way about GSM?

-- 
bye,
pabs

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Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 21:28 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote:
 Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
 
   Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my
   life
 
  What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do
  that?
 
 I consider this status quo to be a very poor state of affairs

That doesn't sound like a particularly grave consequence.  Feeling that
something is a very poor state of affairs doesn't seem like motivation
for threatening murder.

  True.  However, there's a very big difference between deriving
  satisfaction from doing worthwhile work and being pathologically
  dependant on it.  I don't know any other free software developers who
  threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work.  It looks
  like for you, the work isn't done just for satisfaction, it looks like a
  need.
 
 The need I had at that time has been satisfied, hence there is nothing
 relevant to the present in need of discussion here.

I disagree.  The same pathological need still seems very much present.
And the emphasis here is on the pathological.  In your emails to this
list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological
disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the wider
community and for you.

On the one hand you're saying that your phone work is so important that
your life withered away for two years because of it, and that it
justifies threatening murder.  On the other hand, you're saying that the
only reason you need a mobile phone is to contact your loved ones.  I
don't understand why you can't use a land line with a firmware-less
handset.  The fact that you're currently using a mobile phone with a
proprietary firmware without threatening to murder people shows that
there's some contradictions in what you're saying.  Either you're full
of shit, or you're not aware that there are contradictions.  Assuming
you're not full of shit, examining the contradictions and making them
conscious can help to resolve the internal conflicts which give rise to
your dysfunctional behaviour.  Of course, if you are full of shit then
there's a whole other set of internal conflicts to deal with.

You asked me how you torture yourself now.  I'm trying to answer that
question.  In doing so, it's possible that the dysfunctional content of
your regular expositions on this list can be resolved and we can all
live more peacefully, including yourself.

I'll provide you with some examples so that you're aware of what is
inappropriate.  Some of these are quite innocuous statements by
themselves but their inappropriate nature becomes clear when seen as
part of a pathological pattern:

On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 06:15 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote:

 my old peasant mind

 it has occupied me on and off (unpaid volunteer time is naturally
 limited) for a year and a half now

 Unfortunately there is only one of me

 The amount that's been raised ... will certainly help relieve my
 and Shannon's current severe hardship

On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 17:41 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote:

 unprivileged persons like me

 nobodies like me

 there is no longer any need for me to kidnap, torture or kill anyone

 there is no more need to resort to life-sacrifice means

On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 21:32 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote:

 your former coworkers who badly hurt me

 the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through

 the painful 2 y long episode





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