Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-12 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard kit): A Car Kit and a Hacker's Lunchbox. Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) This screen (not to mention the

OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Kenshin
If someone does indeed get Linux running on the iPhone, can we also expect to have the freedom to install anything we want, including OpenMoko? (it's FOSS right?) Hurray for the BlueTooth Buuuh for not having a 2 MP camera -_- Unfortunately for me, it seems neither of the phones suites my needs

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 10:14, Sven Neuhaus wrote: TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product for the OpenMoko? I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price range. Some might find this too philosophical, but nonetheless, a rant. Not

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 03:12, you wrote: installed or otherwise connected to or in communication with vehicles, capable of vehicle navigation, positioning, dispatch, real time route guidance, fleet management or similar applications. ... So whatever you do, do *not* attach your Neo to

A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: Fri 12 Jan 07 10:19:36AM + Quoting Kenshin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): If someone does indeed get Linux running on the iPhone, can we also expect to have the freedom to install anything we want, including OpenMoko? (it's FOSS right?) I have

Re: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2007/1/12, Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the good news is that it can be generic enough to handle these different devices... The bad news is they all have different screen resolutions, so application for different screen size will loose 95% of functionality, regardless of applied

Re: A Closed iPhone is an Opportunity

2007-01-12 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Mark Pesce [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070112 03:54]: Howdy, all. (My first post to this list, and thanks for having me...) While we can't be entirely sure that the iPhone is a closed device - Apple may be waiting to spring something onto the world at WWDC, in May - all indications are that they

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Justyn Butler
I realise this in no way answers your question, but this mini bluetooth keyboard http://www.freedominput.com/mainsite/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=12Itemid=30 seems similar in size to what you get on communicator-style phones of which you speak. It would certainly be no good for

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
Another possible entry device for walking might be the frogpad: http://www.frogpad.com/ Andreas * Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070112 12:24]: Subject: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: Fri 12 Jan 07 10:19:36AM + Quoting Kenshin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): If someone does indeed

The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-12 Thread Shu Hung (Koala)
Hello, Is there any information on the actual release date of NEO1973? I can find no purchase nor release information on the internet. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of guy looking for it. Thanks, Koala ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Atlasz
You see, here is a difference in needs. There is no way a phone could contein a QUERTY keyboard with buttons big enough for my fingers so I'm trying to avoid even seeing that kind of phone:-) Anyway a 5 direction key would be nice to have.. Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Subject: OpenMoko ON the

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-12 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/12/07, Shu Hung (Koala) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any information on the actual release date of NEO1973? After working in the IT industry I know that actual release dates are dangerous and should be avoided if possible, as you may feel forced to rush out a product with known

Re: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
another solution to that could be the use of scalable graphics the way its done with svg or the way it is done in enlightenment. On 1/12/07, Tomasz Zielinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/1/12, Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the good news is that it can be generic enough to handle these

Proprietary software in OpenMoko (was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 14:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote: I think the users should have the freedom of choice, including the freedom to install commercial software, if desired. I'm not asking for this to be preinstalled on the OpenMoko! Yes, that's what I'm talking about - you absolutely can and

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-12 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track the sort of features that would be nice to have in the phone. I think we should model this on http://www.neurosaudio.com/ On 1/12/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Ole, *! On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Ole Tange

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-12 Thread Jon Phillips
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 09:22 -0500, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track the sort of features that would be nice to have in the phone. I think we should model this on http://www.neurosaudio.com/ Is there a wiki on the openmoko site to

Re: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Jon Phillips
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 08:32 -0500, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: another solution to that could be the use of scalable graphics the way its done with svg or the way it is done in enlightenment. Exactly, this is one great solution and the way Apple and Microsoft are moving (also, why I am developer on

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-12 Thread Paul Bohme
Jon Phillips wrote: I guess this is the perfect example of where you need infrastructure up on the openmoko.com website. I think having http://wiki.openmoko.org sooner rather than later would be good, otherwise, the community is already routing around this and putting content here and there...

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-12 Thread Jon Phillips
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 09:46 -0500, Paul Bohme wrote: Jon Phillips wrote: I guess this is the perfect example of where you need infrastructure up on the openmoko.com website. I think having http://wiki.openmoko.org sooner rather than later would be good, otherwise, the community is already

Power of Linux-vserver.org Re: Proprietary software in OpenMoko (was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Attila, *! On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Attila Csipa wrote: On Friday 12 January 2007 14:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote: I think the users should have the freedom of choice, including the freedom to install commercial software, if desired. I'm not asking for this to be preinstalled on the OpenMoko!

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-12 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
By all means, lets leave the devs to do what they do best. It still seems in our long-term interests to start focusing our ideas as a community. The list serves as the perfect medium for free-form discussion, but a wiki would be perfect to give structure and avoid duplication. Jon, if you are

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-12 Thread Shu Hung (Koala)
On 1/12/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would love to see, however, is a website where you can pre-order, so you will be the first to get a phone. I agree that a pre-order form or anything similar is good. At least I'd want to be notify when I can buy it online. Koala Yeung

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-12 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/12/07, Gervais Mulongoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon, if you are willing setting a temporary site that brings together a digest of the items being discussed in the list would be great. I wouldn't mind editing if it was needed. But let me know what you think. I tried searching for

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-12 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
Sounds good if we all start using it. On 1/12/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/12/07, Gervais Mulongoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon, if you are willing setting a temporary site that brings together a digest of the items being discussed in the list would be great. I wouldn't mind

Question about kernel level hacking

2007-01-12 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
Hello! As I am mainly a low level programmer I will probably try to put my hands on the Neo at kernel level like customizing the linux kernel with patches or even try to program the Neo with my own kernel. I think that the openess of the platform will allow me that. Is it right? Is there a way to

Is anyone on this list in NY

2007-01-12 Thread hank williams
My company is developing a product and is looking for programmers to develop software for this and other mobile linux platforms and would love to talk to people - particularly in the new york area. Regards, Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: A Closed iPhone is an Opportunity

2007-01-12 Thread Lawrence Kennedy
Confirming that the iPhone will not have third party apps: http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/01/12/0430200.shtml I am looking forward to developing on the Neo :) Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-12 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/12/07, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi... I just stumbled across this project yesterday while getting over my disappointment at the announcements that the iPhone would be a closed system Feel free to help others stumble upon this project. There any other non-obvious options for

Wireless Mesh and OpenMoko

2007-01-12 Thread Warren Noronha
I got cc'ed on a email a while back regarding the OpenMoko and Netsukuku since I cannot find the email I have to start a new thread (sorry about that). I have not yet tried the netsukuku protocol, but I am very interested in check it out. Some thoughts on the protocol, it does seem to be

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-12 Thread Tim Newsom
There is going to be bluetooth on the phone. The range is small, but the possibility of a bluetooth to wifi adaptor might be interesting... Maybe something small enough to clip on a belt. Then connect to it through bluetooth and have it connect to wifi and redirect network traffic. I am

RE: Question about kernel level hacking

2007-01-12 Thread Heilpern, Mark
I can only speculate, but I would expect a JTAG port to be made available -- probably on the phone itself, but failing that, through the hackers lunchbox (or was that toolbox?) accessory. That would allow you to reprogram flash without relying on the existing flash booting, as long as you have the

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Gervais Mulongoy writes: On linuxtogo I get 34 pages. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/RecentChanges?action=fullsearchcontext=180value=openmokotitlesearch=Titles May I suggest using linuxtogo? Unfortunately, I'm much better at checking my email than I am a forum... I don't see any sign of

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app?

2007-01-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, attaching your Neo to your robot and letting it drive is not too far fetched. DARPA grand challenge anyone? Or perhaps the lighter-weight Magellan contest? Well, geometric reasoning is my research area...

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-12 Thread Justyn Butler
Maybe something small enough to clip on a belt. Then connect to it through bluetooth and have it connect to wifi and redirect network traffic. I am sure its possible.. Has anyone ever heard of anything like that? Something like this DID exist, the PX20:

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-12 Thread Tim Erwin
Is there a wiki on the openmoko site to work on this? Sean, this would be great to capture these ideas. I agree that would be great! Currently I think the release is slated for Feb but I hope this doesn't keep being pushed back. If the phone is release in Feb will this be worldwide? (I am in