Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-24 Thread Renaissance Man
He said what? Christ, give me Richard Stallman any day. Renaissance Man On 24 Jan 2007, at 1:03 am, Marcus Bauer wrote: Linus Torvalds once jokingly said: I am your god. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Some thoughts: 1GB flash hack possible? Or why not shipping 1GB directly?

2007-01-24 Thread Pierre Hébert
Hi, On Wednesday 24 January 2007 01:47, Justyn Butler wrote: So my answer to your question is: perhaps not from your USB memory stick, but you will be able to upgrade the flash chip if you've a little experience with surface mount hacking. You cannot simply replace chips like that. The

Pictures of Neo1973 under GFDL for wikipedia

2007-01-24 Thread Marc Verwerft
Sean, I was trying to create an article on the Wikipedia about OpenMoko. The english version (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMoko) has a nice picture on the left. Unfortunately this picture is licensed as 'fair use'. Which means that it is not allowed to use it in the Dutch version and

Re: Pictures of Neo1973 under GFDL for wikipedia

2007-01-24 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/24/07 4:39 PM, Marc Verwerft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we use the pictures at the openmoko site in wikipedia (all languages) with the permission of FIC under the GNU Free Documentation License (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL )? Please do! -Sean

Re: web browser

2007-01-24 Thread Alexander McLeay
On 24.01.07, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, - Minimo is still alive. It works in WinCE devices and Nokia 770 device. - And there is Gtk-WebCore browser: gpe-minibrowser. It needs some community love ;-) Is Gtk-Web Core still being maintained? I was of the

sorry s/FPGA/BGA/g Re: Some thoughts: 1GB flash hack possible? Or why not shipping 1GB directly?

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Justyn! Justyn Butler schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 00:47h: Firstly apologies if I've misunderstood what you're saying. :) When it' my failing... But I think it is: can I use the flash chip from inside a USB memory stick to upgrade the neo1973 flash? yes Once I get my

Re: sorry s/FPGA/BGA/g Re: Some thoughts: 1GB flash hack possible? Or why not shipping 1GB directly?

2007-01-24 Thread Pierre Hébert
Hi ! On Wednesday 24 January 2007 11:16, Robert Michel wrote: Once I get my hands on one of these babies the first thing I'm going to be doing is taking it to pieces, and I can pretty much guarantee once we see the flash chip we'll be able to find a compatible replacement. But surface

short answer - other feedback is wellcome Re: g quastions

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Eugene! I'm just a student and normal member on this mailinglist, so I don't know more than it was written on this list since November. On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Eugene Kozlov wrote: Hello Can somebody explain What is about hardware licensing? Also open source? (shared pcb schematics,

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: web browser

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
I am not sure if Gtk-WebCore is alive, but it seems to be, since GPE-Minibrowser seems alive. Check gtk-webcore site[1] and mailing list[2] for more info. [1] http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=121646 2007/1/24, Alexander McLeay [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On

hack idea: USB flash memory drive modification- +capacitor(s) +small usb jack

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve, the Neo1973 has an unpowered small size USB port. So for beening on the road, it could be nice to be able to use a USB flash drive directly. Our first idea was to hack the Neo1973 and give some power to the port. Another idea would to solder some capacitor into the memory drive, maybe

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 12:33, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. Are they good enough to twice integrate the acceleration data (which

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Hi! On 1/24/07, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 23 janvier 2007 à 22:15 -0400, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa a écrit : Hi! Too much trouble.. the phone could get confused when you walk/run/jump, or when you are in a car/bus. Perhaps, can we use it as a command sets in a context

Re: hack idea: USB flash memory drive modification- +capacitor(s) +small usb jack

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve! Robert Michel schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 13:28h: Maybe with a small USB connector to avoid the need for an adapter to use with the Neo1973? Just putting the small USB jack on the other side and the USB memory drive becomes dual use. With small or big jack. Would this

Re: Neo1973 Car kit - some pittfalls due laws possible?

2007-01-24 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070123 17:04]: Robert Michel writes: Since last Dezember it is forbidden for the driver to touch a PDA/mobil Ok, I think that's a case of wrong translation. It's forbidden to pickup the phone. you are quite allowed to touch the phone, explicitly: D: Wenn das

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
On 1/24/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 24 January 2007 12:33, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. Are they good

Re: Neo1973 Car kit - some pittfalls due laws possible?

2007-01-24 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070123 17:58]: So I haven't found a right source for this, the adac.de link hasn't an official law text and isn't about the point general aproval and mobiles without external antenna - it is only about the official requirements to free speak systems.

Re: Neo1973 Car kit - some pittfalls due laws possible?

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Andreas! Andreas Kostyrka schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 13:48h: Robert Michel writes: Since last Dezember it is forbidden for the driver to touch a PDA/mobil Ok, I think that's a case of wrong translation. It's forbidden to pickup the phone. you are quite allowed

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Jose! Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 08:44h: For exemple, we use it only if we are in a game or if the phone is ringing... If the command were shake to phone to answer, I could accidentally answer the phone while I play with my kids!

Re: Neo1973 Car kit - some pittfalls due laws possible?

2007-01-24 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070124 14:01]: Salve Andreas! Andreas Kostyrka schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 13:48h: Robert Michel writes: Since last Dezember it is forbidden for the driver to touch a PDA/mobil Ok, I think that's a case of wrong translation.

Re: Neo1973 Car kit - some pittfalls due laws possible?

2007-01-24 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070124 14:52]: I'm not a lawyer, but if you read the ticker, the OLG just found that a PDA with a GSM module is to be treated as a mobile. Now, the Adac article claims that it's ok to use a mobile, if you don't have to pick it up. E.g. buttons and voice

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Hi! On 1/24/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Jose! Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 08:44h: For exemple, we use it only if we are in a game or if the phone is ringing... If the command were shake to phone to answer, I could

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Sean, On 23/01/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be reading a different link. Sean's email most clearly states in the form of a user's manual that will give credit to GNU. He also clearly stated We'll just call it OpenMoko. Could you confirm that if FIC writes that OpenMoko

Itch1: Spell weaving

2007-01-24 Thread Aloril
Multi-touch demo at http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/index.html is cool. However I feel that these are just first steps on the mountain of inventions that are possible with multi-touch. alorilhmm.. 3D multi gesture ... aloril2 high resolution cameras and .. ;-) PirateHeadand then

Re: hack idea: USB flash memory drive modification- +battery +small usb jack

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve! ok, foget my capacitor idea... the capacitor would not have much power after some hours - and charging it every day would be Robert Michel schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 13:28h: the Neo1973 has an unpowered small size USB port. So for beening on the road, it could be

Re: web browser

2007-01-24 Thread Pedro Aguilar
Hi, There are several open source browser for GTK+ that could run in the Neo such as Dillo and Skipstone. Links (the graphical version), although is not based on GTK+, could be another alternative. Pedro Aguilar Hello. Is Neo going to have more or less featurefill web browser (e.g. with

Re: Neo1973 Car kit - some pittfalls due laws possible?

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Andreas! Andreas Kostyrka schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 14:49h: * Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070124 14:01]: Salve Andreas! Andreas Kostyrka schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 13:48h: Robert Michel writes: Since last Dezember it is

Re: web browser

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
Perhaps, but: - They seem to be based in old Gtk 1.x. Dillo was the web browser for GPE until GPE got 2.x and Dillo didn't update. - Do they support SSL connections? Best regards, 2007/1/24, Pedro Aguilar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, There are several open source browser for GTK+ that could run in

Re: web browser

2007-01-24 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Hi, There are several open source browser for GTK+ that could run in the Neo such as Dillo and Skipstone. Links (the graphical version), although is not based on GTK+, could be another alternative. AFAIK, none of those has support for javascript and DOM. Which make those not very useful

Ok, one point is cleard - but what is with the external antenna and the general operation lizence of the car?

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Andreas! Andreas Kostyrka schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 14:58h: * Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070124 14:52]: I'm not a lawyer, but if you read the ticker, the OLG just found that a PDA with a GSM module is to be treated as a mobile. Now, the Adac article claims

RE: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Crane, Matthew
I think it's a fantastic idea too. The motion of putting a phone in your pocket could likely be specific enough to train the phone to turn off. Or it could identify when it is floating loose vs. being held to your ear, to automatically lock. Another application would be monitoring a kids

consider to use a proxy Re: web browser

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve! On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Is Neo going to have more or less featurefill web browser (e.g. with javascript machine, etc)? Featurefill web browser has not so a high priority on my whishlist that having a cheap low traffic and fast webbrowsing. So a Proxy on the Neo

Re: Several suggestions/observations/questions... I think that I may be too late, but....

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Hi! On 1/24/07, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Ok, I will grant the wifi issue to low power... but, why not EDGE?, why just GPRS?... I think I know the answer: price, but: is the difference so large?. I think that the first generation Neo won't have WiFi support because

Re: Ok, one point is cleard - but what is with the external antenna and the general operation lizence of the car?

2007-01-24 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070124 15:50]: Ahh holding in his hand - so when it is fixed with a cradel it is still allowed to touch it. :))) Exactly, it's the same in the StVO §1a ;) btw, I'm all for an external antenna connector. I haven't yet tried it, but I've got the tip, that

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
Clearly future OpenMoko phones should be able to perceive their environments. Proximity sensor for the face side of an OpenMoko phone. When triggered the OpenMoko can activate a power-savings profile. An accelerometer. The OpenMoko can operate differently depending on its physical orientation.

Re: Several suggestions/observations/questions... I think that I may be too late, but....

2007-01-24 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
I am pretty sure that 2nd and 3rd generation OpenMokos will have cameras and WiFi. At this point, I care more for a phone that will work as advertised. And for a long enough trial period to work at the biggest bugs. Let's help getting OpenMoko stable and useful so even my grandma can use it. Then

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Ben Burdette
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Wednesday 24 January 2007 12:33, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. Are they good enough to twice

Re: Several suggestions/observations/questions... I think that I may be too late, but....

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Hi! The thing is: Even some of the cheapest moviles now include a camera, I think that the lack of it will make you lose sells. On 1/24/07, Gervais Mulongoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty sure that 2nd and 3rd generation OpenMokos will have cameras and WiFi. At this point, I care more

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Tim Newsom
For GeoPointing to work right, you would also need an electronic compass module in the phone Right? Cause accelerometers don't know which direction your pointing and gps isn't probably accurate enough to derive what you pointed at when you moved it maybe 2 or 3 feet during the gesture.

Re: verizon and openmoko

2007-01-24 Thread Andrew Turner
or just buy another account on another carrier ;) get their 'cheapest' plan. But I believe the Neo will only work on Cingular TMobile in the US. On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to see if anyone knows whether or not the OpenMoko phone would work with

RE: verizon and openmoko

2007-01-24 Thread Dean Collins
It doesn't make sense for FIC to offer a CDMA handset just for the USA, it's a dieing technology and GSM is more widely operated in almost all countries outside of the USA. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney

Re: Itch1: Spell weaving

2007-01-24 Thread Thomas Seiler
Hello, I like your idea of spell weaving very much. Unfortunately... Latest word seems to be that Neo1973 will be single touch only and this is hardware limitation. ...which is sad. I suppose the neo1973 is using a resistive touch-screen.

RE: verizon and openmoko

2007-01-24 Thread mark
I wasn't asking if it made sense, just if anyone knew if I could use the phone on Verizon. No need to defend the decision to just use GSM...I personally leave the blame on Verizon for not keeping up with technology. thanks though, -mark It doesn't make sense for FIC to offer a CDMA handset

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread David Schlesinger
Gosh, why does this fail to surprise me? Didn't you get to say your piece already? Why don't you harass the Ubuntu folks with this, hm? There are many more folks calling it Linux than GNU/Linux, and very few people who seem to care strongly about your over-developed sense of history and ethics,

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread David Schlesinger
Could you just drop this line of discussion, or pursue it off-list...? If they refer to it as Linux they'll be in line with pretty much every major _Linux_ distribution out there. On 1/24/07 6:11 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sean, On 23/01/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:15, Dave Crossland wrote: I feel it is misleading to describe code distributed in the 1960s and 70s as 'free software' - because software freedom was not recognised or enshrined. Ok, now that's just being ridiculous. And besides, the BSDL predates the GPLv1 by

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:04, Tim Newsom wrote: For GeoPointing to work right, you would also need an electronic compass module in the phone I think that's actually the only thing you really need for it to work. Not sure how an accelerometer would help figuring out what direction

Re: verizon and openmoko

2007-01-24 Thread Chad
The other major problem - if FIC made a CDMA OpenMoko phone, Verizon would have to explicitly allow it's use, which would probably not happen. Verizon has a tight level of control over phones - they will have their own UI installed and Bluetooth file transfers etc turned off. Simply, Verizon['s

OpenMoko and Multimedia

2007-01-24 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Hi everyone, Reading the documents I found so far on OpenMoko and the upcoming phone I am wondering what the plans are around Multimedia support. The stack of OpenMoko do share a lot with Mameo, but nothing is specified in terms of the multimedia side apart from saying that there is a 'media

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
On 1/24/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:04, Tim Newsom wrote: For GeoPointing to work right, you would also need an electronic compass module in the phone I think that's actually the only thing you really need for it to work. Not sure how an

Re: web browser

2007-01-24 Thread Pedro Aguilar
Hi, Sometime ago there was a patch for Dillo (when it was still alpha) for supporting SSL. However, I don't know of any open-source browser for embedded systems based on GTK+ 2 that supports SSL and Javascript, so this could be an interesting project. Pedro Aguilar Perhaps, but: - They seem

When Good Agendas Turn Bad - Linux/GNU, etc

2007-01-24 Thread Richard Franks
On 1/24/07 6:11 AM, Dave Crossland dave at lab6.com wrote: Hi Sean, On 23/01/07, David Ford david at blue-labs.org wrote: You must be reading a different link. Sean's email most clearly states in the form of a user's manual that will give credit to GNU. He also clearly stated We'll just

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:55, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: The accelerometer can allow you to know what directions the phone went, and 3d orientation (rotations and stuff). The compass, would just be for calibration, because you can trust them all them time (just put a compass

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Chad
On 1/24/07, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be ideal to have a 3 axis accelerometer and a 3 axis tilt sensor like the wii. Apparently the wii controller uses an IR sensor to keep itself oriented relative to the game console; since the phone doesn't have IR this wouldn't be

Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode

2007-01-24 Thread Paul Jimenez
How about a locked-down 'kid version' of the UI with touchable pictures for 'mommy', 'daddy', etc ? Maybe not even labelled, but just the pictures? --pj ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Tim Newsom
Yeah.. I was using the accelerometer in my example to tell the program what the phone orientation was so that you could limit distance without having to touch the interface. If you had it set up to run from a free external button, you could push it And orient the phone and point and the phone

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread Declan Naughton
On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better still, tell you what: since you're all about the ethics here, go and get the folks at GNU to change the name of their system to GNU/Mach and _then_ come back to talk to _us_. I might ask about that alright. Why don't you harass

Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?

2007-01-24 Thread Richard Franks
The distinction may become more relevant if you get hit with a cease and desist - YouTube has blocked a small company from making YouTube videos available on mobile phones: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/23/youtube_blocks_mobile_video_encoder/ If we have a browser with Flash support

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread David Schlesinger
On 1/24/07 9:51 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better still, tell you what: since you're all about the ethics here, go and get the folks at GNU to change the name of their system to GNU/Mach and _then_ come back to talk to

Re: Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?

2007-01-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:55, Richard Franks wrote: The distinction may become more relevant if you get hit with a cease and desist - YouTube has blocked a small company from making YouTube videos available on mobile phones:

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread Declan Naughton
On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 9:51 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better still, tell you what: since you're all about the ethics here, go and get the folks at GNU to change the name of

Re: When Good Agendas Turn Bad - Linux/GNU, etc

2007-01-24 Thread Declan Naughton
On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about we let our Agenda be the cool technology and innovation instead? So freedom has nothing to do with it? I wouldn't be too surprised. I read some nice stuff from Sean alright, but IF you just wrote an apt description of our Agenda,

Re: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode

2007-01-24 Thread Richard Franks
On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 11:33 -0600, Paul Jimenez wrote: How about a locked-down 'kid version' of the UI with touchable pictures for 'mommy', 'daddy', etc ? Maybe not even labelled, but just the pictures? Nice idea - I see where you're going with this, not making it too complex.. for slightly

Re: Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?

2007-01-24 Thread Richard Franks
On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 18:16 +, Al Johnson wrote: Getting a flash-capable browser will be another problem entirely... I wondered about that before posting, but I found this link, so it looks like options may be available.. although I gather the standard approach is to have the manufacturer

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread Raymond Ward
Declan Naughton wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 9:51 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better still, tell you what: since you're all about the ethics here, go and get the folks at

Re: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode

2007-01-24 Thread michael
That is brilliant. As the parent of an 11-year old, I'd want a highly configurable profile: * Allow calls to/from (parents/grandparents/babysitter/etc.) anytime * Allow calls to/from (list of friends) between 4pm and 9pm weekdays, 10-10pm weekends only * Allow a maximum of (x) outgoing calls

RE: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode

2007-01-24 Thread Sam Kome
I like this thread, although I'm not giving my $350 phone to my kids! Some of the high schools here have really strict rules against kids getting calls in class. I can understand it, but 1)Sometimes I need to contact my daughter and 2)She can't always remember how she left the ringer (on/off) So

Re: Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?

2007-01-24 Thread Lars-Peter Clausen
Richard Franks wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 18:16 +, Al Johnson wrote: Getting a flash-capable browser will be another problem entirely... I wondered about that before posting, but I found this link, so it looks like options may be available.. although I gather the standard

Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)

2007-01-24 Thread Declan Naughton
On 1/24/07, Raymond Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Declan Naughton wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 9:51 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better still, tell you what: since you're

Viewing video sites on Moko

2007-01-24 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ke, 2007-01-24 kello 18:16 +, Al Johnson kirjoitti: Getting a flash-capable browser will be another problem entirely... In the context of getting video off of youtube or some other video sites, eg. keepvid.com offers a service that deciphers the .flv (or what have you) URL from the main

Free This Mailing List! (was Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone))

2007-01-24 Thread David Schlesinger
On 1/24/07 10:20 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I am aware, OpenMoko is not using the GNU/CMU Mach kernel.. No, they're certainly not. However, GNU _is_ and they're failing to give appropriate credit to the principal developer of their system. So on what basis are you

RE: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode

2007-01-24 Thread michael
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Sam Kome wrote: I like this thread, although I'm not giving my $350 phone to my kids! Not yet, no. My daughter gets my current phone as soon as I get the Neo 1973 (unless my wife wants it - she has priority.) My daughter gets my Neo V1 when V2 comes out! My goal of a

Re: When Good Agendas Turn Bad - Linux/GNU, etc

2007-01-24 Thread Richard Franks
On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 18:19 +, Declan Naughton wrote: On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about we let our Agenda be the cool technology and innovation instead? So freedom has nothing to do with it? I wouldn't be too surprised. I read some nice stuff from Sean

Re: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode

2007-01-24 Thread Fabian Off
Well, but what about any free-lessons? I know your problem very well, being a student myself. I tried to solve it like you did, coding an application which selects - depending on the cell-id my phone supplies - the right profile. But I often get calls in times we have no school. The phone just

Re: camera in the next version ? (for augmented reality app)

2007-01-24 Thread Justyn Butler
From a personal standpoint I'd like to see a camera in the next version, because I use the 2MP one in my phone very frequently. It's handy to have a camera of some sort with me 100% of the time to catch random events - of course it doesn't replace a real camera for situations where I can plan to

Re: Free This Mailing List! (was Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone))

2007-01-24 Thread David Schlesinger
On 1/24/07 11:03 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 10:20 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I am aware, OpenMoko is not using the GNU/CMU Mach kernel.. No, they're certainly not. However, GNU

Re: When Good Agendas Turn Bad - Linux/GNU, etc

2007-01-24 Thread Declan Naughton
On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 18:19 +, Declan Naughton wrote: On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about we let our Agenda be the cool technology and innovation instead? So freedom has nothing to do with it? I wouldn't

Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Crossland
On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to see my hopes dashed. Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to go? I believe so. From http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html :

Re: Free This Mailing List! (was Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone))

2007-01-24 Thread Declan Naughton
On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 11:03 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 10:20 AM, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I am aware, OpenMoko is not using the GNU/CMU

Re: OpenMoko and Multimedia

2007-01-24 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian F.K. Schaller schreef: Hi everyone, Reading the documents I found so far on OpenMoko and the upcoming phone I am wondering what the plans are around Multimedia support. The stack of OpenMoko do share a lot with Mameo, but nothing is

Re: OpenMoko and Multimedia

2007-01-24 Thread David Schlesinger
On 1/24/07 11:47 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd certainly push for gstreamer... As would I, but sometimes you've just gotta get things out the door... I'd assume that when FIC gets hardware out, someone'll make it run gstreamer in pretty short order.

Re: When Good Agendas Turn Bad - Linux/GNU, etc

2007-01-24 Thread Declan Naughton
On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 19:08 +, Declan Naughton wrote: The Free Your Phone post was perhaps the most interesting announcement we've had yet - Sean thinks we're going to be building the foundation for Ubiquitous Computing - I think he's

Re: When Good Agendas Turn Bad - Linux/GNU, etc

2007-01-24 Thread Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
Here is my reason for using the term GNU/Linux. It's fair to both the Linux developers and to the GNU project. Why is it fair? Well so far I have yet to see either a Linux userland or a GNU kernel so it's a MIXED environment and should be treated like that. There are also other MIXED

Re: Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?

2007-01-24 Thread Andrew Turner
Not sure if this fits the bill, but: Gnash is a GNU Flash movie player http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 18:16 +, Al Johnson wrote: Getting a flash-capable browser will be another problem entirely... I wondered

Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-24 Thread Pranav Desai
On 1/24/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to see my hopes dashed. Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to go? I believe so. From

How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Jonathon Suggs
I'm a computer engineer and want to get involved. All I'm seeing coming across this mailing list is feature requests, basic inquiries, etc. Is there another list that is focused more on the development side of things? I'm a little lost on how this project is structured. Can someone please

Squeak for the kids! Use Linux-vserver power before giving your Neo to a kid (or someone else) Re: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode

2007-01-24 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Sam! On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Sam Kome wrote: I like this thread, although I'm not giving my $350 phone to my kids! In case that I would have kids, I wouldn't either, it is because of the price, but also because it isn't rough enough. Some more stuff for kids: see my mail OpenMoko/Neo1973 is

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
Le mercredi 24 janvier 2007 à 14:34 -0600, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : I'm a computer engineer and want to get involved. All I'm seeing coming across this mailing list is feature requests, basic inquiries, etc. Is there another list that is focused more on the development side of things? I

Re: Free This Mailing List!

2007-01-24 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ke, 2007-01-24 kello 15:05 -0500, David Ford kirjoitti: I don't wish to continue this ludicrous debate [...] Those of you that threaten to unsubscribe from the list because others of us choose not to follow your religion or keep debating. First of all, if you're too emotional to see that what

Map software and proprietary data.

2007-01-24 Thread Dominik Smogór
Having gps and highres screen on board suggets that the phone is well poised for standalone GPS nav devices. This alone makes it worth buying, what troubles me however is whether/when there will be a quality vector map software available for it. Is FIC in talks with some company now? I'm sure

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread michael
Jonathan, If you visit the wiki that Marc refers to, you will find entries for the build enviroment and emulators, so you can start writing, compiling, and testing simple programs. M On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Marc Verwerft wrote: Jonathan, Things are gonna stay this way till OpenMoko opens up

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 24 stycznia 2007 22:26, Rodolphe Ortalo napisał: As someone else said, we've been asked to do some homework with the OpenEmbedded.org build system. Maybe that was just to reserve adequate space on the hard drive... (takes a lot!) Add: INHERIT += rm_work into conf/local.conf and

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Marc Verwerft
Jonathan, Probably, you're on your own right now. If I were you, I wouldn't make a sourceforge project yet as in the announcement of Sean he mentioned this: Also, at this time, the following community dedicated websites will be available: * http://openmoko.org/ -- for the actual

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
Thanks for the hint! Btw, is it possible to build the applications in the native (build host) format too for running under xoo or are they built only in the target format (armv4t IIUC)? (Can't find gpe-watch native after a bitbake gpe-watch. Well, sounds sensible, I did not ask for it - but I am

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Richard Franks
On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 22:58 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: Jonathan, Probably, you're on your own right now. If I were you, I wouldn't make a sourceforge project yet as in the announcement of Sean he mentioned this: * http://projects.openmoko.org/ -- for user-contributed projects ---

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Marc Verwerft
Michael, English is not my native tongue and I certainly didn't mean we wouldn't help anybody out. I just meant that we as a community have nothing more than this list and the wiki for now. So apologies for that. Regards, Marc. On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of

Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)

2007-01-24 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 24 stycznia 2007 23:00, Rodolphe Ortalo napisał: Thanks for the hint! Please reply UNDER post. Btw, is it possible to build the applications in the native (build host) format too for running under xoo or are they built only in the target format (armv4t IIUC)? MACHINE = native

Re: Need info on AGPS

2007-01-24 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Mittwoch, 24. Januar 2007 23:09 schrieb Marc Verwerft: 2. The chip in the Neo1973 is a Global Locate AGPS. Anybody know what type? Hammerhead maybe? It is probably the same chipset as in ipaq hw6[59]15: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SableGPS 3. I understand

request for openmoko-devel list

2007-01-24 Thread Corey
I'm more than certain that the OpenMoko crew is extremely busy with many important efforts right now, but it should be a very simple task to open a new mailing list. Doing so - sooner than later - would be hugely beneficial in the immediate sense, as it would diversify the list traffic so that

Re: Pictures of Neo1973 under GFDL for wikipedia

2007-01-24 Thread Marc Verwerft
Salve Sean! Thanks for letting use those pictures. But in order to be _absolutely_ sure, the wikipedia people would like something more formal. Please have a look at this page http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Email_templates and send them the 'declaration of consent' in the rectangle if

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