Re: A cool device must have a powerfull e-book reader

2007-01-26 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia czwartek, 25 stycznia 2007 07:06, Ketut P. Kumajaya napisał: I have ported FBReader for Motorola E680i/A780 mobile phone and I am sure FBReader author only need a couple hour time to make it run on OpenMoko if he has access to OpenMoko device. FBReader is GTK application. OpenEmbedded has

Re: dialer interface questions

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 23:52 -0700, Jeff Andros wrote: I hope you can give us a hand with this stuff without getting yourself in trouble. I'm actually more concerned that I might harm the project by my involvement so I'll stay away from IMEs for a while. I'll have to find an IP lawyer who can

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2007/1/26, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work. It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that Prepare fancy build system with compilation on demand, then build dedicated software package for every customer, with

Re: emulator something like greenphone vmware?

2007-01-26 Thread Pierre Hébert
On Friday 26 January 2007 08:40, Denis Kot wrote: No, I don't need hardware emulator. I need interface emulator :). Where I can play with phone's interface and maybe onboard software w/o buying the phone. It's ok if it will be compiled for i386 or whatever. You can use QEMU : it will provide a

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Ben F-W
Bryan Fink wrote: Answers of the, So I know exactly what my phone is doing at all times - no secrets, variety typically get you labeled paranoid. Answers of the, Because I will be able to modify absolutely anything about it, Really interesting thread, Bryan - and definitely worth thinking

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 09:24, Tomasz Zielinski napisał: 2007/1/26, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work. It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that Prepare fancy build system with compilation on demand,

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Rod Whitby
That's the most braindead shit I've heard since a long time. Why are you suddenly playing the weenies? Do you need a huge Carrara-marble tomb-stone with Mickey, the inventor of OpenMoko? Just get the shit out and stop talking about September. And yes, it is a good thing if you keep steering

Make it easy to voluntarily pay for free OpenMoko software?

2007-01-26 Thread Mikko Rauhala
to, 2007-01-25 kello 22:56 +, Dave Crossland kirjoitti: Many free software projects accept donations, and if you are willing to pay the developers after enjoying their software, I feel it is important to donate a little. Indeed. Which brings to mind that should/could OpenMoko provide some

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Andrew Loughran
If anyone needs examples of how phones connect behind ones back, I can provide a fair few. I had the O2 XDA Orbit. It looks like a smashing phone, but the software on it lets it down massively. The carrier have changed the software's functionality, so even when you disable GPRS connection

Re: Why not switching automaticaly? Re: Gesture command

2007-01-26 Thread Foucault de Bonneval
Well the point is that I'd like to have the battery to last more than one day. That's why I'll won'tr have GPS and BT enabled 24/24. And activating BT profile was only an idea, I don't want my shortcut to call mum being activated every time I get back home :) Rgs, Foucault On 1/25/07, Robert

Re: Make it easy to voluntarily pay for free OpenMoko software?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crossland
On 26/01/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to, 2007-01-25 kello 22:56 +, Dave Crossland kirjoitti: Many free software projects accept donations, and if you are willing to pay the developers after enjoying their software, I feel it is important to donate a little. Indeed. Which

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crossland
On 26/01/07, Ben F-W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you tie that to a more specific example, it might help to get the concept across. I usually point out how the priorities of end users and those of operators differ: and it's the operators who are the manufacturer's biggest customers. For example,

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Tehn Yit Chin
Hey Bryan, This is a very interesting thread, it almost qualify as a very primitive market report for OpenMoko. :-) For me personally, I would like the phone to be a commercial success. Commercial success means a higher chance of version 2 beyond of the phone being considered by FIC.

Re: Combine a SoC and memory on a SD card or Usb device...Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisał: For real paranoid sellers: Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every embdded system so that even hacking out the program from the embedded

Re: Combine a SoC and memory on a SD card or Usb device...Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Marcin! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia pi?tek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisa?: For real paranoid sellers: Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every

Re: WiFi

2007-01-26 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Friday 26 January 2007 09:31:18 Richi Plana wrote: True that. I can't think of an application right now for 11n on a phone. But then again, someone said 640KB of RAM was sufficient for the desktop. :) Sure, but unlike with DOS, there's nothing stopping the devs from adding N when we need

Will the OSDL/MLI have a yearly report as well? Re: LiMo foundation

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve David! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, David Schlesinger wrote: ACCESS is a participating member of both OSDL's Mobile Linux Initiative and of the Linux Phone Standards Forum--I'm acting chair of the MLI Steering Committee and vice-chair of LiPS' Architectural Working Group--and we've

RE: Running linux programs

2007-01-26 Thread Sam Kome
Welcome! The answer to your question is Yes.  If you want more specific information, please read the following resources for the technical how-to; it's all out there. To search the mailing list: In your favorite search engine: site:lists.openmoko.org [keyword(s)] 2007 Neo1973

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Ortwin Regel
There is no management in a company of one or two people. Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot. Indeed, it was not about the DRM in this case: There was some variation of it and it was easily cracked. The

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:12, Jeff Andros wrote: as I understand it, you can get more value out of the accellerometer than that in the simplest case, we know a gps can be off by a certain percent.  say you leave the phone still for a long time, you could average the error and get more precise

RE: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Dean Collins
Dave, whilst all software is free - rent isn't (oh and that nasty habit of eating every 6-8 hours is a real bitch as well). Of course there will be commercial software available for the OpenMoko community. And once a developer puts a price on an application, should you 'share' or 'unauthorise

Neo Carputer (was: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer)

2007-01-26 Thread Andrew Turner
On 1/26/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a side note... In the US and probably other countries there is a standard for the interface to the car computer. From that interface you can get the vehicle speed and diagnostic information about how the engine is running. It might be

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crossland
On 26/01/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, whilst all software is free - rent isn't (oh and that nasty habit of eating every 6-8 hours is a real bitch as well). Of course there will be commercial software available for the OpenMoko community. If this is commercial free software,

Re: A cool device must have a powerfull e-book reader

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crossland
On 25/01/07, Ketut P. Kumajaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have ported FBReader for Motorola E680i/A780 mobile phone and I am sure FBReader author only need a couple hour time to make it run on OpenMoko if he has access to OpenMoko device. http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader I can't see a way to

Unified Profile Management (Should be part of Moko Core Apps)

2007-01-26 Thread Jonathon Suggs
One thing that should be developed is a unified profile manager (and well defined API). With all of the application possibilities, there are going to be several programs that will take action based on (location, time, schedule, whatever). One of the most frustrating things is to have several

Re: Neo Carputer (was: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer)

2007-01-26 Thread Tim Newsom
You're speaking of OBD or CAN. There are some good interfaces out there, though the auto companies try to protect their information. It would be neat to build a plotter/scanner interface for measuring the car sensors on the Neo using either bluetooth or serial/usb. Bluetooth OBD scanner:

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Peter A Trotter
Can I call you a 'pirate' if you do share his fridge? Joking aside I think that you may have missed the point here. When I write an app for OpenMoko _if_ I decided to ask for money for that app I'm the sort of guy who wouldn't mind if someone else shared it with friends, modified the code etc.

Re: Some thoughts about the real importanted dates for OpenMoko/Neo1973 3GSM World 2007 Barcelona this year ...Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
I have to admit that I kind of agree with Marcus, especially in terms of leveraging the free marketing that will happen from an early release. But in order to do this properly, we need to better organize the OpenMoko support infrastructure. Support will be required for: * Hardware issues * Core

R: R: Need info on AGPS

2007-01-26 Thread Michele Manzato
One thing that we should look into is to have something like an RSS Feed of that data, which can be downloaded everytime we have a cheap (bluetooth, usbnet) IP connectivity. Then cache all that data locally. As far as I understand: GPS ephemeris cannot be really cached in the Neo given

Re: LiMo foundation

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:22 -0500, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: Applications get written over and over again because people are not satisfied with the way things are. Well, it's not actually that simple. There are actually quite a few reasons. NIH being one of the most irritating. But even if it was

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Steven Milburn
We also need to take into account that accelerometers measure acceleration. If you accelerating or decelerating it will be able to tell you the magnitude of the force and you can time the duration to find the distance traveled. However, suppose that you are moving at a constant velocity, the

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Richard Boehme
The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has mapping software that I want to use, I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get it. I should just be able to go into the market place, go to 'Non-Free Software', and buy the TomTom app. Your argument may be 'but every software

Re: Required Software

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 09:00 -0500, Duncan Hudson wrote: I'm sure that this has been discussed, but there will be a VPN client pre-installed right? I know it's open source and I'm free to put what I want but don't you think there should be a pre-installed client that is certified to work

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
This should be put on the Wiki under Advocacy (or similar): On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 09:16 +, Andrew Loughran wrote: If anyone needs examples of how phones connect behind ones back, I can provide a fair few. I had the O2 XDA Orbit. It looks like a smashing phone, but the software on it

RE: Will the OSDL/MLI have a yearly report as well? Re: LiMo foundation

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
Linux Organisation membership and organisation politics is not my business, but from the linux-user point of view it is a little confusing that OpenMoko/Neo1973 isn't mentioned here: http://old.linux-foundation.org/lab_activities/mobile_linux/mli Not too confusing. It's not a recent page, and the

RE: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot. Proprietary software developers often refer to unauthorised copying as piracy. This terms implies that copying is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high

RE: Neo Carputer (was: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer)

2007-01-26 Thread Crane, Matthew
I mentioned this in another thread too, but a usb-svga adapter with bluetooth, audio, the CAN or other car electronic interface would make a sophisticated docking station that the Neo would be plugged into when driving. Another application that follows would be to use the GPS combined with a

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/26/07 5:39 AM, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OpenMoko appeals to me because it is innovative and cool looking. Also, I am tired of having to replace my phone...I have 5 right now that are useless. I want a phone that can update and add applications that I want. I want

CallWave

2007-01-26 Thread Jesse Ross
There was some mention on this list a while ago about an iPhone-style Visual Voicemail system. The following service could be a really good replacement, if your carrier supports it: CallWave: http://www.callwave.com/ Discovered via: http://www.therawfeed.com/2007/01/why-wait-for-iphone-

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/26/07 8:47 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just get the shit out and stop talking about September. Get the brain share into it - nobody will mind if you keep doing the decisions. Can we please keep this list civilized? This is a great opportunity for Linux/Open Source (add

Re: Neo Carputer (was: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer)

2007-01-26 Thread Andrew Turner
On 1/26/07, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned this in another thread too, but a usb-svga adapter with bluetooth, audio, the CAN or other car electronic interface would make a sophisticated docking station that the Neo would be plugged into when driving. Another application

Re: Some thoughts about the real importanted dates for OpenMoko/Neo1973 3GSM World 2007 Barcelona this year ...Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Gervais! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: I have to admit that I kind of agree with Marcus, especially in terms of leveraging the free marketing that will happen from an early release. But please not with a buggy hardware... But in order to do this properly, we need to

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 9:12, Steven Milburn wrote: yes,  accelerometers measure acceleration.  The first derivative of acceleration is velocity.  Granted errors in the accelerometer compound when deriving velocity, but you've usually got GPS information to calibrate against (As Jeff was saying). 

Re: Will the OSDL/MLI have a yearly report as well? Re: LiMo foundation

2007-01-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/27/07 12:57 AM, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux Organisation membership and organisation politics is not my business, but from the linux-user point of view it is a little confusing that OpenMoko/Neo1973 isn't mentioned here:

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Paul Jimenez
Sean please just ignore idiots like this. The rest of us know you're doing the best job you can and want to see the phone out ASAP just as much as we do. In summary: ignore the trolls and keep doing what you're doing. --pj On Saturday, Jan 27, 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz writes: On 1/26/07 9:40

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:58 -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote:Dave Crossland wrote: But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it. There's no ethical problem. Sorry Dave, but you are wrong. There IS an ethical problem. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 09:41 -0800, Tim Newsom wrote: Ok Steve. I grant you that the first derivative of acceleration is velocity... How do you propose to gain any velocity information when the acceleration measured is zero as would be the case if you are at a constant velocity? This is

RE: Will the OSDL/MLI have a yearly report as well? Re: LiMo foundation

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
Not too confusing. It's not a recent page, and the information on there was provided by members (of which FIC is not currently one, although we've invited them to participate...) Please don't take this a meaning anything other than we have zero free time Oh, believe me, I understand

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crossland
-- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26-Jan-2007 18:06 Subject: Re: Possibilities for commercial software? To: Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] (offlist) On 26/01/07, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: proprietary software. If you want

Re: Will the OSDL/MLI have a yearly report as well? Re: LiMo foundation

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Linux Organisation membership and organisation politics is not my business, but from the linux-user point of view it is a little confusing that OpenMoko/Neo1973 isn't mentioned here:

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Friday 26 January 2007 18:41:50 Tim Newsom wrote: yes,  accelerometers measure acceleration.  The first derivative of acceleration is velocity.  Ok Steve. I grant you that the first derivative of acceleration is velocity... I don't think so. The first derivative of VELOCITY is

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Harald Welte
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 10:04:54PM +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote: What about DRM, is there a way to bind a program to a sync ID like it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It should be possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?) While I'm not in charge of marketing or strategic

planet.openmoko.org and openmoko-devel mailinglist

2007-01-26 Thread Harald Welte
Hi! It is my pleaasure to announce two new resources of the OpenMoko project: 1) planet.openmoko.org See: http://planet.openmoko.org/ This is a PlanetPlanet RSS feed aggregator of blogs and journals by both official OpenMoko developers, and people in the comunity working on OpenMoko related

Re: planet.openmoko.org and openmoko-devel mailinglist

2007-01-26 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 19:21:15 26.01.2007 UTC+01 when Harald Welte did gyre and gimble: HW 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] HW This is a mailinglist dedicated to OpenMoko development. From HW developers, for developers, by developers. Could you explain a bit: is it mailing list for discussing development

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:35 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Marcus, these kind of comments are not constructive at all. Mickey is a core member of OpenMoko and is doing an amazing job. You haven't even seen the work he's done and you're already bashing us? I honestly believe that OpenEmbedded

Re: planet.openmoko.org and openmoko-devel mailinglist

2007-01-26 Thread Harald Welte
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:28:19AM +0600, Mikhail Gusarov wrote: HW This is a mailinglist dedicated to OpenMoko development. From HW developers, for developers, by developers. Could you explain a bit: is it mailing list for discussing development of OpenMoko itself only or also for

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Listen, there's nobody on this list that wishes we'd had this phone out in January more than I. But delays happen. You can't seriously be calling us liars now are you? Gosh no, that would be nonsense! However I'm sure I'm not the

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crossland
On 26/01/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hate to get in on this discussion Talking about freedom is important, so thank you for your polite and rational contribution. Dave Crossland wrote: But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it. There's

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Steven Milburn
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:37:39 +0800 Subject: Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters? On 1/26/07 9:40 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread David Ford
Tim Newsom wrote: Ok Steve. I grant you that the first derivative of acceleration is velocity... How do you propose to gain any velocity information when the acceleration measured is zero as would be the case if you are at a constant velocity? This is why I am saying you would need some

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread David Ford
He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal. I sense his frustration with not having the device and his concern that others will get to market first and stealing the 'community made' thunder and of course in financial speak, the market share. We all want toys and I'm sure OM is itching at

RE: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
Grey areas. Actually, I don't think it's grey at all. The decision maker, as far as how a work can be published and/or sold, is the copyright holder. Copyright is the _right_ to _copy_. If you're not the copyright holder, and you haven't been granted a right to copy by the copyright holder,

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Steven Milburn
- Forwarded message -- From: Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:13:49 +0100 Subject: Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer On Friday 26 January 2007 18:41:50 Tim Newsom wrote: yes, accelerometers measure

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 19:24, Marcus Bauer napisał: But if you can produce enough phones, than let all the early adopters have them, whether they are developers or not. In projects like this it is normal to write that phones in Phase 0/1 are target to developers. It is other way to say

Re: Required Software

2007-01-26 Thread Alexandru Lazar
I've been working with Linux for such a long time and I'm not sure what that VPN client is. Truth is, though most popular network devices (Cisco, etc.) use VPN that Linux supports, it's Microsoft's VPN system that's most prevalent in the companies I've encountered. Does anyone know which VPN

Unified message menue? pictures? Re: CallWave

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Jesse! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Jesse Ross wrote: There was some mention on this list a while ago about an iPhone-style Visual Voicemail system. I wouldn't mention apple as refference for this idea - apple like to claim patents for solutions and like to sue... The following service could

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread David Ford
Steven Milburn wrote: Wow, I can't believe I got that backwards, thanks for the correction. Kind of embarrassing considering I actually work on this stuff. However, it doesn't invalidate that you don't need any more information than the accelerometer and a starting point in order to track

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crossland
On 26/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See whether you get charged with something like theft (or infringement of copyright, which is tantamount to theft...) Infringement of copyright is very, very different to theft. If I shoplift some food from my local store, no one

Re: Required Software

2007-01-26 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Alexandru Lazar writes: I've been working with Linux for such a long time and I'm not sure what that VPN client is. Truth is, though most popular network devices (Cisco, etc.) use VPN that Linux supports, it's Microsoft's VPN system that's most prevalent in the companies I've encountered. Does

Re: A cool device must have a powerfull e-book reader

2007-01-26 Thread Ketut P. Kumajaya
FBReader have GTK+ and Qt interface. I made some modification to make it not look alien on Motorola EZX platform. EZX base on Qte with different look and feel. I think still need some work to make it smooth integrated to OpenMoko platform. ---Pesan Asli--- Dari:Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL

qemu and images.

2007-01-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
First: I understand if all developers are busy right now... But after February 11... Can we get a release of a kernel and disc image for qemu, and the repository so we can update our image. Then we can explore the environment, test not only our software, but our ipkg packaging. Hack not

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
On 1/26/07 10:33 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original point was: It doesn't make sense to equate copying digital information with stealing physical objects. No...? If you were to come into possession tomorrow of a copy of the yet-to-be-published seventh Harry Potter book,

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote: So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do anything against them, though. GPLv3? Paul ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Communications (was Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?)

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 13:40 -0500, Steven Milburn wrote: Sean: I think you missed the sarcastic hyperbole that Marcus was attempting to use. He was basically saying that calling you liars would be about as wrong as assuming since he didn't reply, he must not have read a post. It's a weak

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Knight Walker
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 22:04 +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote: I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online marketplace? What about DRM, is there a

Glossary Re: Communications (was Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?)

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Richi! Good point! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Richi Plana wrote: And with that, let me state that I think it important to use Figures of Speech as little as possible in these mailing list. For one thing, many of the members of these lists don't have English as their primary language (I know

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:18, Steven Milburn wrote: Wow, I can't believe I got that backwards, thanks for the correction.  Kind of embarrassing considering I actually work on this stuff.  However, it doesn't invalidate that you don't need any more information than the accelerometer and a

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
On 1/26/07 11:01 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's not the author's wish that the software be freely copy-able, which is certainly a desire the author's quite entitled to have I am less certain, and judging from most people's actions, I think you are in quite a minority

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Simon
On 1/26/07, Paul Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote: So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do anything against them, though. GPLv3? The GPLv3 does nothing to

RE: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal. Sorry, David, _I'm_ bluntly vocal, that was simply abusive. There's a difference, but I've never known either one to speed up a hardware platform project. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Required Software

2007-01-26 Thread Knight Walker
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:16 -0700, Richi Plana wrote: I've been working with Linux for such a long time and I'm not sure what that VPN client is. Truth is, though most popular network devices (Cisco, etc.) use VPN that Linux supports, it's Microsoft's VPN system that's most prevalent in the

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread David Ford
I don't agree with his email tone either and neither will he speed up release of the product. His email was rude and abusive, yes. But him an idiot, no. -david David Schlesinger wrote: He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal. Sorry, David, _I'm_ bluntly vocal, that was simply

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
On 1/26/07 10:47 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your argument may be 'but every software for the phone really should be free - people will write it'. However, if someone hasn't come up with an absolutely free, modifiable mapping software, I should just be able to get the

Re: qemu and images.

2007-01-26 Thread Peter A Trotter
Side note final release 9/11 Isn't that a poorly chosen date... Whatever You do it will piss someone off. ...Dons flame retardent suit... We can't let terror rule our lives ...Flees stage left... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

RE: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
It may seem obvious to you that copyright law is about protecting authors... Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is granted the right to enact statutes To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread ROB
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is granted the right to enact statutes To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. As I said,

Re: Unified Profile Management

2007-01-26 Thread Richard Franks
Example. Instead of a calendar app just muting the phone when in a meeting (nice feature) it would activate a profile (maybe silent or meeting). Other apps could also use those profiles. For instance a GPS location aware app could know to use the same silent or meeting profile when you

Re: planet.openmoko.org and openmoko-devel mailinglist

2007-01-26 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
Le vendredi 26 janvier 2007 à 19:21 +0100, Harald Welte a écrit : Hi! It is my pleaasure to announce two new resources of the OpenMoko project: Thanks for taking the time to setup these two new resources. Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: CallWave

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Peter! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Peter A Trotter wrote: It's clear the technology is available to make this possible without any crude hacks. We need to make friends with the carriers in so many ways to make this project fly. Why? The Neo1973 could become the voice mailbox in most of the

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Mary Stovel
Greetings Rob and Sean, Thank you for welcoming me to the community! I have played catch up on the discussions going on here and it is very lively and interesting. I am now very excited about OpenMoko! I can well understand the excitement and desire to get ones hands on this phone

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcel de Jong
I'm sorry to stick my nose into this possible bees-nest. But I feel I have to object a little here. On 1/26/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/01/07, Richard Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has mapping software that I

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Warren Noronha
On Jan 26, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Listen, there's nobody on this list that wishes we'd had this phone out in January more than I. But delays happen. You can't seriously be calling us liars now are you? Haven been working on a wireless device my self for the past few

Re: Just for walkers... Re: Yes it will have vibra alarm Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-26 Thread Jeff Andros
ha ha, I did mean to send it to the list... thanks! On 1/26/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Jeff! Was it your intention to answer me private and not to the list, too? Don't get me to seriously, my English is not perfect, so I'm not good in making jokes in English :))

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-26 Thread Simon
On 1/24/07, Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He said what? Christ, give me Richard Stallman any day. Renaissance Man On 24 Jan 2007, at 1:03 am, Marcus Bauer wrote: Linus Torvalds once jokingly said: I am your god. Here's my understanding of this comment, to clear things up: the