Re: emulator?
On Thursday 15 February 2007, Perry E. Metzger wrote: I presume that the answer is no, but is there software available to emulate the hardware at this point for application development purposes? (If not, I wonder if QEMU can be twisted into doing at least part of it...) Yes QEMU can be used to emulate parts of the device. And as the Neo kernel can be configured to use a NFS root, this mean that it will be really convenient to test the software (at least the software not dealing with GPS/GSM for the moment). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: SIM Interface
SIM = Subscriber Identity Module Probably more likley based on Andy's message -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of denis Sent: 15 February 2007 00:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SIM Interface SIM = Simple Instant Messenger? I'm using SIM for nearly 3 years and I really like it. (although there are some bugs, perhaps I could write you a mail later on) In my opinion it would be nice to see SIM on OpenMoko. Denis -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Andrew Papia Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2007 23:22 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: SIM Interface I am a SIM developer and I am very interesting in getting my hands on an open phone so I can develop mobile applications that make use of the SIM. What is the interface to the SIM like on OpenMoko? I've read you can query phone book entries. What else can you do? Can you send abitrary APDUs? -Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emulator?
Pierre Hébert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 15 February 2007, Perry E. Metzger wrote: I presume that the answer is no, but is there software available to emulate the hardware at this point for application development purposes? (If not, I wonder if QEMU can be twisted into doing at least part of it...) Yes QEMU can be used to emulate parts of the device. And as the Neo kernel can be configured to use a NFS root, this mean that it will be really convenient to test the software (at least the software not dealing with GPS/GSM for the moment). So, is there a specific set of instructions on setting up a development environment somewhere on the Wiki? I couldn't exactly find the here is how you start up your simulated phone, here is how you build and load software... etc. Perry ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
Salve Harald, Sean, *! Harald Welte schrieb am Donnerstag, den 15. Februar 2007 um 03:37h: we have a stylus that's way too cool to hide it in a device. :)) Hopfully it will be at last *dual use* ;) Sean was about to get some photos of that stylus, but then, as you imagine, there's higher priority items for us at the moment. ;) Don't worry, because we are patient and Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb am Freitag, den 17. November 2006 um 18:46h: Don't any of you guys like surprises? ;-) yes, we do ;-) Cheers, rob PS: And again congratulations, respect and cheers to this great and uniqe project. When ever has a project published so much information before the first release of a device? Many people in the public may ask whey does the Neo1973 doesnt have xyz - because they are used to choose a product and that software features that wouldn't work from the beginning seldom would be relaised for the coustumers - they got to often the answer: please buy the latest device to use this software feature... So OpenMoko/Neo1973 is soo cool, so much fun that I'm very thankfull that you guys started and run this project - even without surprises it would be great, Great, absolutly GREAT! ; ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emulator?
Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry E. Metzger wrote: Pierre Hébert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, is there a specific set of instructions on setting up a development environment somewhere on the Wiki? I couldn't exactly find the here is how you start up your simulated phone, here is how you build and load software... etc. Perry - here appear to be instructions to get you going: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch_%28pre-BBT%29 These instructions seem to assume you have a phone and a debug board for it. I'm looking for what to do if you do not yet have hardware, which at the moment would be just about everyone. Perry ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Press coverage: MAKE magazine's blog
http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/02/openmoko_open_s.html If I'd known he was going to quote me I would have said something a little more professional and informative :-) Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How many Neos?
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 23:54 +0100, Milan Votava wrote: How many Neos have to be sold (and in which time frame) to keep FIC happy? I think this is pretty important and we, as a community should help to achieve this target. If Sean we fail, FIC will probably show no mercy with the beloved platform. Am I wrong? Dear Milan, This is something that has been on the (not so distant) back of my mind for months now. How do I talk about these kind of numbers in public...when they are considered so confidential internally. Your response clearly describes how you feel about this effort, Sean and we means that, in some ways, what I have been striving for has already begun. Both of us (as company and as community) are working together on this. We both see that we need to work together if this experiment (ie. can the mobile industry be opened?) will ever work. Please disregard this post if the regarding info is considered confidential... Please give me some time to think about this. I really don't have the answers now. But I love thinking about this with you all ;-) Let me see if I can't put something together for my next presentation. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko lists - gmane changes
All, If you're reading the OpenMoko lists through gmane, please be aware: The original gmane newsgroup mappings were mis-categorized through the gmane.comp.hardware hierarchy. Since OpenMoko is not a type of hardware, the lists have been moved to different newsgroups. The newly created lists have also been added. The newsgroups should be appearing on gmane shortly. They are: gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.announce gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.buglog gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.commitlog gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.uboot gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.distro gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.framework gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.gsmd gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.apps gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty The last one maps to the openmoko-devel@ list, since it's targeted at 3rd party development. D. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emulator?
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 09:17 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry E. Metzger wrote: Pierre Hébert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, is there a specific set of instructions on setting up a development environment somewhere on the Wiki? I couldn't exactly find the here is how you start up your simulated phone, here is how you build and load software... etc. Perry - here appear to be instructions to get you going: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch_%28pre-BBT%29 These instructions seem to assume you have a phone and a debug board for it. I'm looking for what to do if you do not yet have hardware, which at the moment would be just about everyone. Best info I have found on this topic is at http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers Hopefully this can be updated/corrected now that the official Wiki is opened and moved there. Phil ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emulator?
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 08:04 -0500, Andrew Turner wrote: Perry E. Metzger wrote: Pierre Hébert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, is there a specific set of instructions on setting up a development environment somewhere on the Wiki? I couldn't exactly find the here is how you start up your simulated phone, here is how you build and load software... etc. Perry - here appear to be instructions to get you going: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch_%28pre-BBT%29 See also http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted http://www.openembedded.org/oeandyourdistro and more generally, recent discussions at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/ Phil ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo 1973 Featured on gizmodo.com
OpenMoko`s Neo 1973 featured as the Anti-iPhone http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/first-look-the-antiiphone-openmokos-neo1973-236841.php ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:Neo 1973 Featured on gizmodo.com
William Lai writes: OpenMoko`s Neo 1973 featured as the Anti-iPhone http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/first-look-the-antiiphone-openmokos-neo1973-236841.php Interesting article -- five other devices? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo 1973 Featured on gizmodo.com
Digg it: http://digg.com/gadgets/First_Look_the_Anti_iPhone_OpenMoko_s_Neo1973_Linux_Powered_Smartphone On 2/15/07, William Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenMoko`s Neo 1973 featured as the Anti-iPhone http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/first-look-the-antiiphone-openmokos-neo1973-236841.php ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RePost: What to install for OpenMoko programming...(Was: Help: Getting an OpenMoko Programming Environment Set Up on Ubuntu Linux)
Community- I know I already posted this, but I think it got forgotten in the wave of excitement accompanying the source release. I would really like to know what I need to do to have everything I would need to program for OpenMoko (Mostly UI Stuff). I have already installed OE using the tutorial on their website. I have a very basic programming knowledge so please be specific. I am running Ubuntu Linux off of VMWare Fusion Beta off of A MacBook Pro running OS X Tiger. Thanks, ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
given the OpenMoko Challenges...
... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ Remember when the BT was announced... there were tears of joy arround the world. With a confirmation that the Neo will have a camera, will cause orgasmic sensations :-p I think that not having a camera is a serious technologic setback and loses some points to the competition. Of course almost every geek will buy a Neo... but what about the regular user? He will definately consider that fact when choosing a phone and for him that is more important than running Linux. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
Kenshin wrote: ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ ... I think that not having a camera is a serious technologic setback and loses some points to the competition. Note that the Neo 1973 is just the first of six planned Neo devices using OpenMoko, according to this Gizmodo article http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/first-look-the-antiiphone-openmokos-neo1973-236841.php. I bet some of those will have cameras. -myk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki page for self-powered USB gadgets known (not) to work directly?
pe, 2007-02-16 kello 02:05 +0200, Mikko Rauhala kirjoitti: like their pics not very fuzzy, there's handy dedicated cameras (many of which would probably interface with the Moko nicely; as such cameras have their own internal powersources, if their software isn't confused by not getting power from the USB port, some might work with a straight USB cable for eg. sending the pics away via GPRS). Incidentally, since there's a lot of self-powered gadgets around, it would probably be useful to have a wiki page of such USB devices verified working or non-working directly with the powerless host of Neo. I would _guess_ that most self-powered gadgets would talk with the Neo happily, but that's just a guess... If the developers of a particular gadget have relied (not unreasonably, though suboptimally) on the USB standard's promise of power when hooked up to a host, there may be issues like the gadget simply not noticing that it's hooked up. If anyone has any _educated_ guestimates of how usual it would be for a powered USB gadget to have such issues, those would be welcome. I shan't be starting said wiki page for now since I'll have to wait 'till late March to get to try these things. Maybe then, though, unless somebody beats me to it, or convinces me that pretty much every device will work if it has its own power. (Oh, and Sean, see you next week in Tampere :) -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
Kenshin wrote: ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ You should check out the wiki for the wishlist for future enhancements http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware Cheers, Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
I'm doing this to spare Sean the pain. This is really no different than the Can't you just add WiFi? discussion. This is reality and the laws of physics speaking: please pay attention. ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ Slimmer that slim to none. If Sean and the FIC folks have any sense at all--and I hasten to add that I think they do--the chances are a little worse than your getting struck by lightning. While winning a single-number bet at the roulette table. Look at it this way: jamming all the stuff that's already on the circuit board into some kind of reasonable configuration, routing leads, hundreds if not thousands of them, on a multilayer PCB, then getting the entire thing pre-fabbed, tested, fabbed, tested again, built for production, tested _again_, and tested some more, all takes time. A bunch of time. And when you just add WiFi or just add a camera, the work isn't _incremental_: you pretty much have to go back to Square One and start all over again. Now, that's if everything, by some utterly unprecedented miracle, goes well the first time. I will bet you any amount of money, at very high odds, that this will not be the case--only because I know from extensive personal experience that it _never has_. Then you've got to add time in to _fix_ things, re-fab, re-test, lather, rinse, repeat. And remember: you can't just add a camera. You've got to add a _button_: more leads, more components. You've got to retool the case to support the lens and the self-portrait mirror you're going to ask for next. You've got to test _that_, too, and that's a test you didn't have to do before. (None of this gets into the issue of cost. Because of the above considerations, even adding a cheap part at a late stage is abominably expensive. At Apple, years ago, we used to estimate that adding a $0.25 part added five buck to the final cost of a Macintosh. This would be worse. A ten dollar camera would, if you just backed all the way up and added it now, effectively double the cost of the unit, most likely, or close enough for government work. If you want to guarantee nobody sees a Neo 1973 for another six or eight months, go and put a camera on it. We'll never survive! Nonsense! You're only saying that because no one ever _has_! --Robin Wright and Cary Elwes as Buttercup and Westley in _The Princess Bride_ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko articles
Very nice writeups at linuxdevices and slashgear http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2657814070.html http://www.slashgear.com/openmoko-and-fic-neo1973-updates-153926.php ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko articles
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Very nice writeups at linuxdevices and slashgear http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2657814070.html http://www.slashgear.com/openmoko-and-fic-neo1973-updates-153926.php Now that's more like it. I didn't like the the tone of the other review much (engadget?). It would probably make for good publicity if we would monitor the comments posted in response to all those articles, so that we can correct and provide information as needed. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
Kenshin wrote: I think that not having a camera is a serious technologic setback and loses some points to the competition. Of course almost every geek will buy a Neo... but what about the regular user? He will definately consider that fact when choosing a phone and for him that is more important than running Linux. By definition, the Regular User is never a first adopter. OpenMoko and FIC's Neo1973 are the seeds that will democratize and dramatically accelerate the evolution of mobile computing on this planet. No longer will we all patiently wait for the next handset release from the major manufacturers, only to be dissapointed once again by carrier hobbled features, clunky and clueless user interfaces and forced non-integration with the rest of our personal or business compu-spheres. The Regular User will follow shortly after the Cathedral and the Bazaar programmers like you and I scratch our itches and deliver the applications that really solve human problems and end the limitations and annoyances that the establishment Handset and Carrier complex cannot and will not solve because their shareholders are more important than thier customers. As for me, I am excited about the amazing potiential that this first feature set affords. Every time I think about it for even just a few minutes, I come up with a new idea for software for this platform. WiFi and a camera at this point would only make my head explode. Alan McSwain ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
