GPS time synch
Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using time stamps from GPS information? I know GPS provides that information for some output formats and that it wouldn't be the stratum 0 accuracy that you get from more expensive hardware. But it would probably be enough to stop owners from ever having to adjust their clock for second or minute drifts. My apologies if this has been covered already. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki Editing Guidelines
Hi! From reviewing the 'Recent Changes', I have drafted a (currently still) small list of rules for Wiki editing. It is available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines The most impportant one I would like to point out is that the Neo1973 is only _one_ of the devices that run OpenMoko. Thus, all hardware related information that you add, needs to indicate that it relates to Neo1973. Stuff like Battery and I2C e.g. come to my mind. Also the Buying Interest List is actually a Neo1973 Buying Interest List, if you think about it :) Thanks for keeping this in mind, -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wifi (was Re: community Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:58:04 +0100 From: Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] t the complaints here should be about no SDIO, or CF interfaces, but again they've bitten off enough. Marvel 8385 can be connected to SDIO, CF, SPI and it is one of chips you are talking about. Yes, and it looks like there is at least a project for the driver. Started 11/06. No release yet. Marty ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS time synch
Mark Chandler wrote: Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using time stamps from GPS information? I know GPS provides that information for some output formats and that it wouldn't be the stratum 0 accuracy that you get from more expensive hardware. But it would probably be enough to stop owners from ever having to adjust their clock for second or minute drifts. I'm unsure if the hardware will provide sub-millisecond resolution, but sub-second should be very, very easy. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About March Release
Jason Elwell wrote: There was a thread on this list awhile ago that said that changes could be made to the hardware should a problem be identified. Sean did say however that they will be offering upgrade incentives on the new hardware. Also, it has been said that eventually there will be 5 phones available the run the OpenMoko platform. 6 devices, which may not be phones in the conventional sense. If I recall the phrasing correctly. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About March Release
Not 5 phones, 6 devices. On 2/19/07, Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a thread on this list awhile ago that said that changes could be made to the hardware should a problem be identified. Sean did say however that they will be offering upgrade incentives on the new hardware. Also, it has been said that eventually there will be 5 phones available the run the OpenMoko platform. -Jason On Sunday 18 February 2007 23:18, R.J. wrote: Hi,all I've read the FAQ in the wiki, and I got one concern: Will the hardware configuration for openmoko available on March the same as September? Cheers, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:19:50PM +, Ian Stirling wrote: Stuff like Battery and I2C e.g. come to my mind. Also the Buying Interest List is actually a Neo1973 Buying Interest List, if you think about it :) Well - to be honest, for me, it's not. From my point of view the whole 'buying interest list' isn't really important for the wiki anyway. For whom is that list? FIC? They will produce more than 64 phones anywy ;) Its all cool and nice that people indicate their interest in so many ways - but is it useful? Once openmoko.com goes online, there will be a possibility to pre-order the Neo1973. While I am very grateful to FIC for their involvement in OpenMoko, if someone came up with mostly comparable open hardware with Wifi, available at a similar time, and it wasn't too much more expensive... Well, it's the OpenMoko wiki, after all. So if somebody else offered comparable open hardware, plus there would be openmoko support for it: Yes, I agree, then that would fit on a 'buying list' in the openmoko wiki. Otherwise, if there's no relation to OpenMoko, there's no point in having this information in the wiki. And yes, such device support can (and will!) eventually be provided by the community, no problem here at all. We _do want_ to support more devices in the future, but we (the current paid development team) can't stretch our way too thin resources on that right now. If Motorola were to open the A1200, for example, it'd be a temptation. (not very much, I'd really quite like GPS) It doesn't have Wifi either, does it? -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wifi (was Re: community Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1)
Dnia poniedziałek, 19 lutego 2007, Martin Lefkowitz napisał: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:58:04 +0100 From: Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marvel 8385 can be connected to SDIO, CF, SPI and it is one of chips you are talking about. Yes, and it looks like there is at least a project for the driver. Started 11/06. No release yet. I know. I'm one of people which created that project. Instead of creating another driver we are moving to work with upstream (libertas/olpc project). -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant catholic god himself invented autotools just for amusement first there was the great flood, then the plague, now autotools ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About March Release
Not 5 phones, 6 devices. All available in September?? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About March Release
Nobody knows anything about the other five, yet... ;) On 2/19/07, el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not 5 phones, 6 devices. All available in September?? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: hi-res Neo1973 pictures
2007/2/19, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry for lagging on releasing these guys. Everyone in Taiwan now is on vacation (Chinese New Year). I'm trying to find somebody to send me some but nobody is replying ;-) Thank you for replying! Today, LIane Shen has sent me terrific renderings of Neo1973 case. I'll post them on wiki ASAP ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What service plan in New York City?
What service plan should I sign up for in new york city in anticipation of the openmoko? In other words a plan that I can keep and switch to an openmoko phone with? I already know it has to be G3 and use sim cards. I want to know, specifically, what carrier will work? I'm in the largest city in america, surely some of the openmoko people will know what I can sign up for? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: hi-res Neo1973 pictures
On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 07:06:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: 2007/2/18, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia niedziela, 18 lutego 2007, Krzysztof Kajkowski napisał: Or is it possible that someone make such pictures and post it to wiki? Check photos made by Harald Welte: http://people.openmoko.org/laforge/photos/ Yes, I saw them. These are very nice, yet useless to non-technical users. They may be even scared when they see those pictures ;) I'd though about nice pictures ofNeo1973 _with_ external case ;) Somebody will certainly look into doing this, but at this time not even I have a final case sample (and Sean has only one!!) I guess there will be a press kit eventually, but that's more of a 'Phaes 1+' / 'Phase 2' kind of item. -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google's summer of code 2007
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:40:51AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lol-might be a little hard without a platform to develop on (and no emulator) but the entries don't open until March so might make the cut. Fixing up QEMU to emulate the hardware well might be a fine SoC project. We have a full-time developer on providing full Neo1973 emulation (well, not emulating the GSM Modem *g*) for QEMU. Stay tuned. -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Copyrights in the wiki
On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 01:54:56AM +, Ole Tange wrote: On 2/17/07, denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a question. Is it allowed to post screenshots from MacOS applications and use them as a reference for the layout and look of the phone? For example here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Date_%26_Time_Preview I would recommend against it. The wiki clearly states: I would follow that recommendation, but don't consider it as a serious issue. The MacOS apps are certainly copyrighted, but I've never seen any issue about publicizing screenshots from existing programs. I mean, if that would be considered copyright infringement, nobody could ever publicize any screenshot of any non-free application or a non-free OS anywhere. Yes, if somebody copies the design/theming of a UI app (into a new UI app, e.g. an OpenMoko one), that would be a problem. But then the moko themes are so different that I doubt this would happen either. -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Connect self-powered USB storage devices?
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:37:24PM -0600, Steven ** wrote: So, I know the USB port is a mini and it's unpowered. But... Assuming there's a USB mini to full USB adapter, is there any reason you couldn't connect the Neo to a USB hard drive? Most (all) of the USB hard drives I've seen had a external power supply. yes, that would work. On a related note, could an iPod be connected to the Neo? It's basically a battery powered hard drive! i don't know why there is a _technical_ reason for not doing so. But then, Apple seems to do all kinds of strange DRM, so I wouldn't bet on it. In principle, you should be able to do exactly the same what you can do by running entirely free software on a Linux PC. Harald, [who has never even touched or used any iPod] -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
George Washington Sports OpenMoko in Gizmodo Chart!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/19/what-tech-would-the-presidents- rock-in-2007/ Scroll to the bottom category and you will find that if Washington was alive today he would in fact sport a sleek, stylish Neo1973!!! -ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What service plan in New York City?
On 2/19/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What service plan should I sign up for in new york city in anticipation of the openmoko? In other words a plan that I can keep and switch to an openmoko phone with? I already know it has to be G3 and use sim cards. I want to know, specifically, what carrier will work? I'm in the largest city in america, surely some of the openmoko people will know what I can sign up for? No it's not G3, but GSM. (and GPRS, G2.5?) The two largest GSM players in the USA (that I know of) are Cingular and T-Mobile. And then the question is which has the biggest coverage. I believe that on t-mobile.com you can see a map with the coverage of them in your area. And I'm sure Cingular has a similar page. :) Please note, I'm not from the USA but I've read up on a few sources about this, and heard stories from friends. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS time synch
Harald Welte wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:47:23PM +1100, Mark Chandler wrote: Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using time stamps from GPS information? yes. That is only during GPS being powered up, of course. We probably don't want it to be powered unconditionally, since it drains quite some power. -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Warranty on phase 1 phones
Hey All, Is there any warranty on phase 1 phones ? If the screen is bad, some input ports don't work, etc. what will be the process then ? Thanks -- Pranav ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
lets be nice
hi all, just a friendly reminder that we are getting a lot of people subscribing to and posting to this community list that may not know all the mailing list etiquette that you do. So please be nice to these new-comers, and be patient with them; * if a topic is raised that has been discussed and resolved before - point them to the mailing list archives or where they can read about the answer. Even better, find a place to summarise and document the discussion on the wiki - a formatted wiki page is 100 times easier to read than digging through months of mailing list archives... :P * if they ask, what is in your eyes a stupid question remember that at one stage you knew little or nothing about the openmoko project: they are just interested in getting an opensource mobile device (just like the rest of us.. :P ) * i have also noticed that many newcomers obviously have not been members of online communities or online development communities before; if you come across one of these people, be nice and show them the ropes. Thanks ryanlerch ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:What service plan in New York City?
Mike writes: What service plan should I sign up for in new york city in anticipation of the openmoko? In other words a plan that I can keep and switch to an openmoko phone with? I already know it has to be G3 and use sim cards. I want to know, specifically, what carrier will work? I'm in the largest city in america, surely some of the openmoko people will know what I can sign up for? My understanding is that it has to be GSM (not G3), and that already means it will use SIM cards. Beyond that... dunno ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB Connectivity
Hi, A few questions about USB connectivity (sorry if the answers are already somwhere, but I a am very newly interested in this project). What is already working for the USB connection and what should be delopped? 1 - Is it possible to connect the phone to a computer host and pretend that we are a standard USB memory key, and automaticly mount a new file system on the host without needing to install a very specific driver on it ? 2 - Is it possible to pretend to the host that the phone is a standard USB/ethernet adaptator (like a Belkin adaptator), and automaticly connect the PC and the phone on a private IP based network ? 3 - Is it possible to connect the phone to a real ethernet network (hub), via a real USB/ethernet adaptator (Belkin for example) ? Is there somewhere documentation on what already exists with USB connection to a host (wiki page) ? Is there an other possibility to connect the phone to an IP based network, except by the USB connection (like IP above blue tooth ? ) Of course, the connection of the phone to a network is crucial : SSH, FTP, and a lot of nice things: X11 on an external XWindow server :-) , VNC :-) , voip :-) ... I just decover Openmoko, and it is exactly what I was dreaming for the past few years. I already have two cellular phones running linux, but, (strangely), they are completly closed. My phone operator download a new software release from time to time on them, but I have no documentation, no possibility to develop my own packages, no comunity working on them, ... Too bad that this project is somewhat now a little late and will be hard to have great impact on the mass market. But Openmoko seems exactly what was desesperaly needed for us, the hackers. /larpoux ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: lets be nice
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:35, ryan lerch wrote: hi all, just a friendly reminder that we are getting a lot of people subscribing to and posting to this community list that may not know all the mailing list etiquette that you do. So please be nice to these new-comers, and be patient with them; * if a topic is raised that has been discussed and resolved before - point them to the mailing list archives or where they can read about the answer. Even better, find a place to summarise and document the discussion on the wiki - a formatted wiki page is 100 times easier to read than digging through months of mailing list archives... :P * if they ask, what is in your eyes a stupid question remember that at one stage you knew little or nothing about the openmoko project: they are just interested in getting an opensource mobile device (just like the rest of us.. :P ) * i have also noticed that many newcomers obviously have not been members of online communities or online development communities before; if you come across one of these people, be nice and show them the ropes. Is it possible to have the 'welcome' email point them to those locations automatically? Then they could have the information right from the start.. Plus maybe some general guidelines for posting... Might be good also. Just a thought. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
