Hi.
Jonathon Suggs napisa?(a):
I feel really stupid asking this, but I am having troubles using
Thunderbird. I receive the list in digest mode. For each digest, it
will show up as a single messages in my inbox. Also for each digest
it will have
I was thinking this should be a very easy
Hi I Krysztof and Sean,
In reference to Krys email below, I would also like to know what the status
of developers should have to get the device? Should they be affiliated to a
company, or can student engineer like me, get it on phase 1? I am studying
Computer Science focused on mobile software.
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 04:08:39 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell
of an upgrade after 3 months.
The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still
working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later.
I like the idea. I agree with Cayco, that you cannot ask police to catch
the thief.
Actually in some contries that might work. :)
But sending coords would be very interesting solution.
As the GPS coords may be not very accurate I'd extend the idea to
bluetooth connection which is a very
Hi all,
In addition to the data suggested to be sent when a phone is in stolen
mode, such as GPS, perhaps the phone could even send other data. If
the person uses a stolen phone to store contacts, send the contacts.
in fact, send the numbers dialed, too. If they use it to manage email,
forward
2007/2/28, Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi.
That's the solution! Let thief pay for data transmission :-)
How about silently calling 0700 and othe highly price erotic phone lines?
:-D
cayco
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Well, as stupid that sounds, without signing a contract, you won't get
a SIM from them. And I do know, that there are really stupid carriers
(e.g. drei.at) that insist on the 24-months contract binding time,
even if you don't take the subsidy. Guess the US carriers are even
more evil, because they
* Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070228 00:06]:
Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on
existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones
or similar) or if totally banning.
Point is,
Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 wrote:
I asked my colleagues for a solution. For non-existent or disabled GPRS
connection our devices use SMS messages for reporting current status and
position.
That's the solution! Let thief pay for data transmission :-)
well, of course. didn't think of that.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał(a):
Locking the phone and receiving GPS position is great but how
do you
find your Neo in a crowd when the thief as it in is pocket. I
would
add 2 more options to the list.
It was solved a few answers ago via bluetooth.
How will you detect the bluetooth
Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 writes:
I like the idea. I agree with Cayco, that you cannot ask police to catch
the thief. But sending coords would be very interesting solution.
As the GPS coords may be not very accurate I'd extend the idea to
bluetooth connection which is a very short range, to
Ole Tange has provided a Xvid video of the FOSDEM OpenMoko speech by Sean. I
have uploaded it to the MobiLiberty.com and Archive.org. It's a 350MB file so
Archive.org is probably a better option since their bandwidth is more redundant
than ours. :)
Here are the links:
this also looks like these things can be categorized into different groups.
First, there are events or situations that set off the stolen-mode
(such as wrong pin, owner sending a message to the phone, possibly
even getting close to a gps coordinate, etc.).
Then there are actions to be taken:
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 11:13 -0500, Christopher Tokarczyk wrote:
Semi-related: Does anyone know of a page on the wiki that deals with
this anti-theft discussion? Perhaps someone could add a page if it
doesn't? (I don't know how restricted the wiki is). It seems like a
good place to keep track
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 15:09:47 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
2007/2/28, Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi.
That's the solution! Let thief pay for data transmission :-)
How about silently calling 0700 and othe highly price erotic phone lines?
Improving on the idea:
I've been reminded to point out that this is open to everyone, not only ETel
attendees
If you can not join us for dinner, you are more than welcome to join us later
for drinks. You are welcome to call me to confirm our location and how much
longer we'll be there, in case you have a long drive
Once the phone goes into Stolen Mode the Bluetooth radio could be
turned on continuously. You don't need to use another phone to
detect Bluetooth, many laptops (most Macs) have built-in BT and if
they don't you can get a dongle.
-Aaron
On Feb 28, 2007, at 7:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This seems like it would encourage the thief to destroy the phone,
remember, he/she stole it it isn't worth much to them. Now if the
audible message were something like, I'M LOST, HELP ME FIND MY
OWNER the the thief might be guilted into giving the phone back and
might not be as likely
A lot of ideas have been written on anti theft protection, but much of it from
a geek/user's standpoint, and almost completely forgetting the possible
ramifications of the suggested techniques. First of all, none of the
techniques presented PROTECT your phone from being stolen (they fall more
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl a écrit :
snip
Improving on the idea: get someone to operate one of those 0900 numbers in
each country (usualy they dont really work cross country very well) who will
then give the proceeds to the owner of the stolen phone so he can
True but most cellphone get lost mostly on the bus, metro, restaurants,etc.
Misplacing the phone home is not as dramatic as losing it in a public place.
Looking for it with your laptop at home maybe the solution but is it most
viable for the metro or the restaurant or any public places ?What i
Aaron Coats writes:
This seems like it would encourage the thief to destroy the phone,
remember, he/she stole it it isn't worth much to them. Now if the
Remember, my version of the stolen behavior called for the phone to
pretend it's a brick (while sending SMS messages giving its position,
I think the disagreement over what the phone ideally should do when
stolen is even more support for the proposition that there should be a
way for the owner to configure this behavior.
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Caveat emptor. Possession of stolen property is still a crime where I
live, even if you didn't do the actual stealing.
That said, I agree that attempting to rack up a large bill will not
prevent theft nor lead to the return of the phone. Any anti-theft
mechanisms should focus on locating the
Not sure if this URL passed thru the list before, but I think it is germain
to some of the discussions that have been taking place here recently.
http://www.telecompaper.com/research/mvnos/
Alan McSwain
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On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 08:49 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still
working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later.
That's wonderful news Sean!
Could you clarify: are there going to be two 'Phases 1' - one
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 21:29, kkr wrote:
out that it is sending expensive foreign/roaming SMS-es because the
previous owner 'forgot' to turn off a silent alarm/anti theft application
Is the same for car alarm... When you sold something, you do have to do
the necessary action (in
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 21:44, Steven ** wrote:
Caveat emptor. Possession of stolen property is still a crime where I
live, even if you didn't do the actual stealing.
All I'm saying (IANAL of course) that for many of those items (especially on
places like ebay) it is very hard for the
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, denis wrote:
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb:
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote:
So, I am a little confused still. Are you saying the Refreshed
version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster
CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 08:32 +0100, Martin Heick Hansen wrote:
First let me introduce myself since this is my first post.
I've been following OpenMoko and the mailing list for the last month
or so. Then I started to wonder why nobody in Denmark new anything
about this revolution which is
I know we never came to an official conclusion on the voice command
question, but I'm going to intentionally jump ahead and ask another
question concerning Bluetooth. So for the sake of the question, lets
assume we have a program called VoiceControl that handles taking spoken
commands and
Lurking her more than a while, I strangely not seen this HW request.
A reasonably general digital signal processor on the phone.
Opening possibility's for all kind of things. accelerated
decoders/encoders for audio and video, voice recognition and
fingerprint, 2D graphic acceleration, 3D
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Lars Hallberg wrote:
Lurking her more than a while, I strangely not seen this HW request.
A reasonably general digital signal processor on the phone.
Opening possibility's for all kind of things. accelerated decoders/encoders
for audio and video, voice recognition and
Lars...
Enabling perhaps a personal home dialup internet gateway via a GSM voice
connection?
(If the mobile operators tighten their grips on authorized GPRS traffic?)
(If your mobile operators don't offer prepaid access to GPRS/internet
period?)
Alan
Christopher Tokarczyk writes:
I think the disagreement over what the phone ideally should do when
stolen is even more support for the proposition that there should be a
way for the owner to configure this behavior.
In addition, it would be very useful if the phone was reconfigurable
*after*
I have previously posted to the community and openmoko-devel lists
without problems. Posted a message to -devel last night and again
earlier today, and neither has showed up on the list in my in-box, nor
in the archives, although others have. I can log in to the subscriber
pages for all the lists
On 2/28/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason that I ask is that on my PocketPC phone (iMate PDA2K), there
is supposedly a hardware limitation that will not allow for this to
occur. It can have the bluetooth headset button initiate the program,
but it cannot use the bluetooth
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