Re: Idea: up-to-date business card
Yeah... it's easy to sound snarky on mailing lists. I too was not trying to be sarcastic, but rereading my post, it looks like I was trying to dis Plaxo. Nothing of the sort. I too have friends who use it and love it. But for the reasons I listed, it's not really for me. There's absolutely no reason why there shouldn't be a Meishi client for WinCE, Symbian or even J2ME/iTron. Or even some way to import/export to/from Plaxo/Exchange/Mac Address Book/etc. With respect to the vCard bursting... yeah... but it's got to start somewhere. I was planning on releasing my code and specs as open source, so I would think that if enough people thought it was a good idea, some of the major handset vendors would start integrating it. -Cheers -Matt H. On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Jonathon Suggs wrote: Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Yes... if you have a Blackberry, Treo or HTC phone, run Windows and don't mind keeping your data on Plaxo's servers, Plaxo is indeed a good solution. Still... I'm fairly certain that most GSM phones can't make the data call to the Plaxo servers _while_ they are on a voice call with someone else. The vCard bursting concept moves data directly from one phone to another without third party involvement. And it does is as part of the session created when you're talking with someone else. i.e. - you don't have to hang up the phone to receive burst vCards. Couple of thoughts. First, this is an open platform for you to create whatever you want. So go ahead and knock yourself out making this (actually not mean to be as sarcastic as it sounds). Second, this is an open platform so you can either port the Blackberry, Treo, WinMo app to OpenMoko. I don't use Plaxo, but I know people who do and like it (thought/ thinking about trying it). For ideas/apps that are a closed loop between you and your data feel free to come up with brand new protocols for the communication. However, don't expect it to have wide adoption. Even if OpenMoko takes off, it isn't going to become prevalent overnight. So to have the ability to interoperate with Blackberrys, Tres, WinMo PPCs (which make up a decent percentage of the [smart]phone population) you are going to have to be able to speak a common language. vCards are pretty standard, so the idea does have some merit (not that my blessing is a requirement). But unless most people are able to support vCard Bursting then you target audience is only as large as the OpenMoko install base. I for one am not really interested in using a protocol with such a limited user base, although it is an interesting concept. Plaxo does what it does well. I *somewhat* understand your not wanting your personal data to be stored on someone elses servers, but creating new protocols for data transmission is probably not the best way to go about obtaining privacy/whatever. This isn't meant to be a derogatory post, but I would prefer to be able to communicate with a broad range of people running a broad range of devices. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: up-to-date business card
It would be ideal trying to tie this in with OpenID authentication. I've not really had time to think this through fully but basically you would be replacing the one big store (Plaxo) with a distributed model. I was about to flesh that out a little but I think everyone can see where I am going. PIM app on phone updates contact info when required / when cheap connection is available. I need to research OpenID a bit more but I'm thinking this may be a no go because you'd probably need to re authenticate to update information. Seems my brain is not really working yet this morning. I think I need more information and less speculation. I leave this as food for thought... -Pete On 15/03/07, Matthew S. Hamrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah... it's easy to sound snarky on mailing lists. I too was not trying to be sarcastic, but rereading my post, it looks like I was trying to dis Plaxo. Nothing of the sort. I too have friends who use it and love it. But for the reasons I listed, it's not really for me. There's absolutely no reason why there shouldn't be a Meishi client for WinCE, Symbian or even J2ME/iTron. Or even some way to import/export to/from Plaxo/Exchange/Mac Address Book/etc. With respect to the vCard bursting... yeah... but it's got to start somewhere. I was planning on releasing my code and specs as open source, so I would think that if enough people thought it was a good idea, some of the major handset vendors would start integrating it. -Cheers -Matt H. On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Jonathon Suggs wrote: Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Yes... if you have a Blackberry, Treo or HTC phone, run Windows and don't mind keeping your data on Plaxo's servers, Plaxo is indeed a good solution. Still... I'm fairly certain that most GSM phones can't make the data call to the Plaxo servers _while_ they are on a voice call with someone else. The vCard bursting concept moves data directly from one phone to another without third party involvement. And it does is as part of the session created when you're talking with someone else. i.e. - you don't have to hang up the phone to receive burst vCards. Couple of thoughts. First, this is an open platform for you to create whatever you want. So go ahead and knock yourself out making this (actually not mean to be as sarcastic as it sounds). Second, this is an open platform so you can either port the Blackberry, Treo, WinMo app to OpenMoko. I don't use Plaxo, but I know people who do and like it (thought/ thinking about trying it). For ideas/apps that are a closed loop between you and your data feel free to come up with brand new protocols for the communication. However, don't expect it to have wide adoption. Even if OpenMoko takes off, it isn't going to become prevalent overnight. So to have the ability to interoperate with Blackberrys, Tres, WinMo PPCs (which make up a decent percentage of the [smart]phone population) you are going to have to be able to speak a common language. vCards are pretty standard, so the idea does have some merit (not that my blessing is a requirement). But unless most people are able to support vCard Bursting then you target audience is only as large as the OpenMoko install base. I for one am not really interested in using a protocol with such a limited user base, although it is an interesting concept. Plaxo does what it does well. I *somewhat* understand your not wanting your personal data to be stored on someone elses servers, but creating new protocols for data transmission is probably not the best way to go about obtaining privacy/whatever. This isn't meant to be a derogatory post, but I would prefer to be able to communicate with a broad range of people running a broad range of devices. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ADMINISTRATIVE] openmoko.org scheduled downtime
Hi! For system upgrades, much of openmoko.org will face a scheduled downtime from Thursday, 15th of March, 6pm UTC which is expected to need about one hour. Please note that during this time there will be no access to wiki, bugzilla, mailing list archives, mailing lists, subversion and other services. Thanks for your understanding! -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: up-to-date business card
Hi there, The latest OpenID spec provides for this using the Simple Registration (SReg) extension. This functionality is optional for consumers and servers to implement. See http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_0.html#response_formatfor more information. Cheers, Pius On 3/15/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree on the OpenID thing. I just got my OpenID created a couple of weeks ago. It's nice not relying on any one company to store you information. Does the OpenID spec allow for storing additional information besides just your password? -Steven On 3/15/07, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be ideal trying to tie this in with OpenID authentication. I've not really had time to think this through fully but basically you would be replacing the one big store (Plaxo) with a distributed model. I was about to flesh that out a little but I think everyone can see where I am going. PIM app on phone updates contact info when required / when cheap connection is available. I need to research OpenID a bit more but I'm thinking this may be a no go because you'd probably need to re authenticate to update information. Seems my brain is not really working yet this morning. I think I need more information and less speculation. I leave this as food for thought... -Pete ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth questions from a bluetooth guy [Was: collaborating on bluetooth audio]
Moin, Am Tue Feb 13 19:18:28 2007 schrieb Fabien Chevalier: Brad, i was about to poke the list for some Bluetooth question, it looks like you were faster than i was ;-) Nice to see some familiar names :-) Brad's questions brings up even some more questions. Brad is talking about a2dp which should really be cool to have on OpenMoko platform Yeah, I want to have A2DP, too. Some other questions that i would be very happy to have answers for : * Which bluetooth chip will you use? Which version (1.2 or 2.0 ?) See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Bluetooth and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review#Hardware_Information There's a Bluecore4 (Bluetooth 2.0+EDR) connected through USB which has audio from the Wolfson codec through PCM. -- Henryk Plötz Grüße aus Berlin ~ Help Microsoft fight software piracy: Give Linux to a friend today! ~ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Companies like Cingular have been known to whitelist handsets. They *could* do it for the Neo. I highly doubt they would. I mean no offense here, but by whitelist, do you actually mean blacklist, or ban? I don't really follow the day-to-day of this market very much, but does FIC have any branding agreements with Cingular or T-Mobile? If so, it seems unlikely that either provider would decide to outright ban a device that's built by FIC from their networks, just because it would make other device manufacturers think that they might be willing to try this power-play with them, and possibly reluctant to conduct future business. It would seem even more audacious if they were to do it when the device had GSM and FCC certification - as they'd in effect be trying to say that those certifications are meaningless with regard to their network, which in turn might cause people to think that they aren't actually standards compliant. Then again, I'm not sure if these companies really care about any of the above... If you want me to say that FIC promises your handset will work on any network in the world, our legal team will have my head ;-) What I will say is that if we find out this handset won't work in NY, I'll fight for you. But again, I _highly_ doubt this will happen. Good spirit to have -- let's get more people from more mobile-device companies saying this for their developer end-users... -Ben ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
Benjamin C Burns wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Companies like Cingular have been known to whitelist handsets. They *could* do it for the Neo. I highly doubt they would. I mean no offense here, but by whitelist, do you actually mean blacklist, or ban? I don't really follow the day-to-day of this market very much, but does FIC have any branding agreements with Cingular or T-Mobile? If so, it A white list is the inverse of a blacklist. Any device on it works. And no, there are no branding arrangements. That may or may not happen by September. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MobiLiberty.com launched
Just to let everyone know, the site inspired by OpenMoko and dedicated to promote and discuss the incoming open mobile revolution has been launched, MobiLiberty.com, has been launched: http://www.mobiliberty.com/libervis_network_joins_open_mobile_revolution We wish to create a community around it, from everyone who loves the concepts behind OpenMoko, but also around other devices that are or will follow a similar philosophy; Free Standards and Free Software in a mobile world. We are starting minimal and feedback is extremely welcome, as it will guide our growth. If you blog about open mobile related topics, consider letting your blog entries be automatically submit to MobiLiberty.com. It's all explained here: http://www.mobiliberty.com/submit_rss Thank you! Danijel Orsolic http://www.libervis.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Open Mobile support forums?
Greetings As announced in another thread, MobiLiberty.com is launched, starting minimal with a multi-user blog. However, we are considering adding forums if the community decides it to be worth doing. So I am asking, would it be good to have a support forum for open mobile devices, including OpenMoko, where people who are interested in, own or would like to own such devices can come, ask questions, provide answers or just discuss issues relating to these kinds of devices? Considering that developers mostly use mailing lists, these forums would be oriented more towards non-developers interested in this technology and as the open mobile community and standards grow, end users. You can vote on this poll here: http://www.mobiliberty.com/should_mobiliberty_com_have_forums_open_mobile_support After sufficient time (or sufficient amount of votes) when it will be clear what is the answer to this question, we will consider launching such a forum. If the answer is no, we wont. If the answer is yes, we most certainly will! Thank you Danijel Orsolic http://www.libervis.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Call-for-WiFi (was Re: Crossroads)
So, which device is expected to have WiFi inside? Because to me, wifi is a big selling point, but the whole Neo1973 itself seems highly desirable and I just don't know if I could wait for a second-generation device ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
