Phase 1+ discount quantity

2007-05-14 Thread Ben Wilson
Hi everyone, The details of the P1+ discount for people who buy a P1 aren't out yet but I wanted to put forward this question anyway. Do you think this discount will be locked in a 1:1 relationship? ie, buy one P1 and get a discount on one P1+ Or do you think we will be able to buy say, two

First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Ole Tange
= Hardware = == Size == The phone is BIG. There is no other word for it. It makes it even worse when you open the phone and see that a lot of space is wasted: Half of the thickness is taken by the battery, a very small vibrator, 2 small loud speakers and half of the 2 antennas - leaving 50% of

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Ole Tange
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hardware = I have been asked which phone versions this covers Phone version: GTA01B_V3 and GTA01B_V4 Both are phase-0 phones. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: accelerometer in neo?

2007-05-14 Thread Ian Stirling
Robin Paulson wrote: i've been thinking recently about other applications for the openmoko, beyond the usual phone/maps/gps/internet access, and a couple of them require an accelerometer i could find no mention of one in the wiki, either in the hardware list or the wish list. does anyone have

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Steven **
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Piotr Duda
From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only Motorola (and not in all models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first

RE: accelerometer in neo?

2007-05-14 Thread Crane, Matthew
Hi, Wouldn't expansion via existing usb or BT be preferable? If a few types of hardware that's accessable via these ports has been developed with some sort of driver and application then further development will have a foundation to work off of and the usefullness will be clear for

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Vincent
On 14/05/07, Piotr Duda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only Motorola (and not in all models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On ma, 2007-05-14 at 07:21 -0500, Steven ** wrote: It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. OpenMoko uses GTK, which per default uses the Mac-style OK on bottom right approach, which I find to be better

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread John Locke
Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in

Tactile Feedback

2007-05-14 Thread Jonathon Suggs
I had mentioned this before, but it didn't get much conversation since it was deep within a thread. Anyway, since there are no hardware buttons for input, could we not use the vibrator to give a quick pulse so that you still have some feedback as to when a button is pressed? It might go a

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Hans van der Merwe
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:53 +0200, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering

Re: accelerometer in neo?

2007-05-14 Thread Ian Stirling
Crane, Matthew wrote: Hi, Wouldn't expansion via existing usb or BT be preferable? If a few types of hardware that's accessable via these ports has been developed with some sort of driver and application then further development will have a foundation to work off of and the usefullness will

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread mathew davis
I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. Thanks, Matt ___

Re: accelerometer in neo?

2007-05-14 Thread esw
ST makes a 3 axis mems accelerometers that speak SPI [and I2C]. VTI has I2C only and SPI ones. I have the SPI/I2C one [LIS3LV02DL] made by ST but I don't have it working yet. I'm still in awe of how small it is -- much smaller than a tic-tac candy.

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
The same for me. Especially I'm interessted in the speed, the phone functions (address book, dialer, history, ...) and the voice quality. 2007/5/14, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread el jefe delito
I too would love to hear more about the phone, even if its an early release. Take it outside for us, and tell us about the sunlight reading! Send us a photo of it being 'big', maybe in comparison to another phone or a soda can or mouse pad! Does anyone know if there are plans for the final

Durability of the Neo1973?

2007-05-14 Thread el jefe delito
I was just looking at my current phone's size to compare it to the reports of the Neo1973, and I dropped my phone. I do this a lot, and the phone has held up. Each new phone I purchase is due to a battery issue only. I have never broke a phone due to it falling (but I have broke an iPod due to

RE: Durability of the Neo1973?

2007-05-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jefe.. This is just my opinion here, but I don't see the Neo1973 to be a mass consumer device, nor do I think that is/was FIC's/OpenMoko's intent. The 1973 is a SW Developer/Bleeding Edge Adopter platform. Its a starting place and an incubator for ideas. I would not expect serious drop

RE: accelerometer in neo?

2007-05-14 Thread Crane, Matthew
So what would one do with a cell phone with an embedded gps assisted inertial guidance system? Tape a rocket motor to the back for a new way to destroy the iPhone? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May

Re: Durability of the Neo1973?

2007-05-14 Thread Duncan Hudson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jefe.. This is just my opinion here, but I don't see the Neo1973 to be a mass consumer device, nor do I think that is/was FIC's/OpenMoko's intent. The 1973 is a SW Developer/Bleeding Edge Adopter platform. Its a starting place and an incubator for ideas. I would not

Re: firefox for mobiles

2007-05-14 Thread Myk Melez
David Ford wrote: Even with tuning, FF is a dastard piggy. I've tested things with FF. Start it with no history, no recovered session. Load up digg.com and do nothing. Just let it sit there. It will sit there and slowly grow and grow and grow. The caching isn't the problem, that's tunable.

Re: accelerometer in neo?

2007-05-14 Thread Ian Stirling
Crane, Matthew wrote: So what would one do with a cell phone with an embedded gps assisted inertial guidance system? Tape a rocket motor to the back for a new way to destroy the iPhone? To be boringly pedantic. An inertial guidance system is not possible with simply a 3 axis accelerometer.

Re: USB host connector? (was Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub)

2007-05-14 Thread Doncho N. Gunchev
On Monday 2007-05-14 11:57:09 Hans van der Merwe wrote: (At a high level, my use case is take pictures from my real camera and upload them directly to flickr :-)  That requires either an SD slot, or USB host to talk to the card directly (or USB to talk to the camera, but that's less

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Ole Tange
On 5/14/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. It is a

Re: Phase 1+ discount quantity

2007-05-14 Thread Ole Tange
On 5/14/07, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, The details of the P1+ discount for people who buy a P1 aren't out yet but I wanted to put forward this question anyway. Do you think this discount will be locked in a 1:1 relationship? ie, buy one P1 and get a discount on one P1+ Or

Re: USB host connector? (was Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub)

2007-05-14 Thread Ole Tange
On 5/14/07, Doncho N. Gunchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 2007-05-14 11:57:09 Hans van der Merwe wrote: Does anyone know how much work it will be to get the USB host working? I will need it to drive a webcam for one of my projects. Will this be possible? If not done, you can still

Re: USB host connector? (was Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub)

2007-05-14 Thread Jeff Andros
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/14/07, Doncho N. Gunchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip However, I too am under the impression that only software is needed to have the USB-connector act like a host. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community

Re: Tactile Feedback

2007-05-14 Thread Doncho N. Gunchev
On Monday 2007-05-14 17:47:27 Jonathon Suggs wrote: I had mentioned this before, but it didn't get much conversation since it was deep within a thread. Anyway, since there are no hardware buttons for input, could we not use the vibrator to give a quick pulse so that you still have some

Re: accelerometer in neo?

2007-05-14 Thread Doncho N. Gunchev
On Monday 2007-05-14 14:33:48 Ian Stirling wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: i've been thinking recently about other applications for the openmoko, beyond the usual phone/maps/gps/internet access, and a couple of them require an accelerometer i could find no mention of one in the wiki,

Phase 1+ discount quantity

2007-05-14 Thread mathew davis
Yeah I can't imagine FIC doing even a 1:2 ratio. Unless the discount isn't substantial by any means. Like $5 dollars off and a 1:5 ration maybe but then that wouldn't really be a great discount would it. I just can't see them doing anything but a 1:1 ratio. But that's just my opinion On

Re: Tactile Feedback

2007-05-14 Thread Ole Tange
On 5/14/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had mentioned this before, but it didn't get much conversation since it was deep within a thread. Anyway, since there are no hardware buttons for input, could we not use the vibrator to give a quick pulse so that you still have some feedback

Re: Durability of the Neo1973?

2007-05-14 Thread Jason Elwell
On Monday 14 May 2007 14:46:08 Duncan Hudson wrote: So, if I was a betting man I'd say that it either didn't go off, or another show stopper / slip causer popped up. Lets hope you are a crappy gambler. :) Seriously though, It is starting to get a little annoying that we have not heard

Re: Durability of the Neo1973?

2007-05-14 Thread Alan Ide
Agreed. It has been REALLY quite for the last month or so. We still dont have any verified working phase 1. We havent heard anything about the production run. We havent heard jack about the phase 1+. Its starting to feel like we are being very left out of the loop. And since its us the

Cameo Appearance

2007-05-14 Thread Duncan Hudson
I was leafing through eWeek today (it's not much a magazine anymore) and stumbled upon an article about Sun's new JavaFX scripting language. There's a picture of Sun's Rich Green holding an Orange OpenMoko during a presentation! There's also a close up of a black unit with FIC printed on it.

RE: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-14 Thread Dean Collins
Hi Stefano, Sorry for the delayed response been away for a few days. Yep will be very interesting to see how Sun commercializes the Savaje intellectual property they purchased from the liquidated assets. One of my clients www.Mexuar.com http://www.mexuar.com/ built a number of applications

Re: First impressions of Neo1973

2007-05-14 Thread Jason Elwell
I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Hopefully it will confort me till I get the real thing. :) -Jason On Monday 14 May 2007 15:40:31 Ole Tange wrote: On 5/14/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]