Re: Anyone, not billed yet?

2007-08-11 Thread Chuck Burgess
Everyone that's still waiting, take heart.  My shipment (#1930) was shipped
three days ago, and I just now got the email.  Mind you, the email was
sentthree days ago, so I don't know why it took so long to reach me.

In short, your phone just might be halfway to you before you realize it :P
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Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-11 Thread Al Johnson
Eric's VMware image should be available to download later today at:
http://openmoko.solutiontrax.net/Openmoko_Dev.zip
Thanks Eric. Sébastien and any other mirror volunteers welcome. I'll be away 
until Monday but I'll try to check that it's working this evening (~19:00 
BST).

On Tuesday 07 August 2007 17:01, Al Johnson wrote:
 I should be able to arrange hosting  sometime tomorrow. If I don't get back
 to you with details then remind me :-)

 On Tuesday 07 August 2007 16:15, Eric Heinemann wrote:
  If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image
  that I made several months ago.  A few people have downloaded it, and I
  am not sure how well it works for actual development.  I was able to
  compile everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced.
 
  -Eric
 
  - Original Message 
  From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
  Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM
  Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again)
 
   There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/
   OpenMoko_under_QEMU .
   QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer:
   http://www.qemu.org/
  
   True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there
   is a
   virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar
   to the
   one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make
   one using
   qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have
   the time
   again before September.
 
  This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a
  Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming
  console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same
  image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea ..
 
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test message

2007-08-11 Thread Chuck Burgess
Marc Verwerft wrote:
Robin Paulson wrote:
is anyone else not getting messages from the list again? i see plenty
*at lists.openmoko.org from yesterday, but i've received nothing for 24
**hours now?
*
I'm not getting anything either for 2 days now ...

Same here... also, more importantly :P  , my shipment notification from 8/6
did not arrive until this morning 8/9.

Perhaps openmoko email system slowdown is going on?
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Re: Flashing a new kernel under Mac OS X

2007-08-11 Thread Igor Foox
For other's future reference, I was able to find the dfu-util
executable within the OS X .app package for OpenMoko Flasher and use
that.

On 8/8/07, Igor Foox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I've successfully used Nikolaus Schaller's  AJZaurusUSB and OpenMoko
 Flasher applications to flash a new rootfs onto my new Neo. But I
 can't flash a new kernel into it. When I try flashing a kernel with
 OpenMoko Flasher it tries to write it into the rootfs partition
 instead of the kernel partition. I currently don't have access to a
 computer running linux natively, so I can't use dfu-util directly.
 Any suggestions on how to get a new kernel on the device?

 Thanks,
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Re: test message

2007-08-11 Thread Alex Zhang
Me too, cannot get message from all of openmoko lists too. I don't know 
what's happen. Maybe the maintainers can give us an answer!


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Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-11 Thread openmoko
I just downloaded it from http://openmoko.montgoss.com/


whats the root password?

thankS!


 If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image
 that I made several months ago.  A few people have downloaded it, and I am
 not sure how well it works for actual development.  I was able to compile
 everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced.

 -Eric

 - Original Message 
 From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM
 Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again)

 There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/
 OpenMoko_under_QEMU .
 QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer:
 http://www.qemu.org/

 True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there
 is a
 virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar
 to the
 one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make
 one using
 qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have
 the time
 again before September.



 This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a
 Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming
 console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same
 image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea ..

 j.

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Resetting the icon theme

2007-08-11 Thread Igor Foox
Hi all,

When I first booted the phone after flashing the kernel + rootfs, I
didn't calibrate the touch screen properly, and then when trying to
mess around with the stylus I somehow managed to mess up the gnome
theme.
The current state is that there are no icons showing up and instead I
have little icons with an 'x' in them indicating that there is no
icon.

I couldn't find any information about this on the wiki or mailing list.
Does anyone have any idea how I could reset this? (Reflashing the
rootfs does not seem to affect it, neither does removing all the .*
files in /home/root).

Thanks,
Igor

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Re: Incorrect UPS tracking numbers?

2007-08-11 Thread Igor Foox

I had a similar problem, only my package didn't exist.

When I called UPS they said there was an extra character in my  
tracking number and it was invalid.
I tried removing each character one by one until I got the right one.  
I guess it might be something

different in your case because your number is actually a valid one.

Igor

On 7-Aug-07, at 3:33 PM, Roland Dreier wrote:


I just got my Your order has shipped! email (yay!), but the UPS
tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my
name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is).  Did that happen to
anyone else?

Since I'm also in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm hoping my package
will already be delivered too when I get home



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Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-11 Thread Steven **
Eric's VMWare image is available for download at:
http://openmoko.montgoss.com/

This is a hosted site that has a monthly bandwidth limit, so please only
download if you really need it.  If we exceed the monthly bandwidth, I'll
have to remove the file.

-Steven


On 8/7/07, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image
 that I made several months ago.  A few people have downloaded it, and I am
 not sure how well it works for actual development.  I was able to compile
 everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced.

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Re: Login Manager

2007-08-11 Thread t3st3r

Shakthi Kannan wrote:

Hi,

This is w.r.t. having a login manager for OpenMoko.

I am not sure how other PDA phones implement login access, but, in the
Nokia 6210 classic, even without the SIM card, it simply allows access
to the phone, organizer applications, and data. So, if the phone is
lost, valuable information will be stolen, which is something
end-users don't like.
  
So far, virtually no phones protect USER data well enough.Actually, 
proprietary phones are doing some job at protecting their firmwares from 
hacking and pretty powerful protection in operator locking part, etc.And 
er, virtually no protection of user data.While locks, etc are encrypted 
and heavily checksummed\signed, user's data are stored as is.So anyone 
with physical access to phone can quite easily dump your private data if 
they' really want to.Basically this can be done by just over wires.At 
very most (uncooperative boot loader, etc), they have to use JTAG or 
desolder flash IC.Not a great deal for pros.So, once you lost the phone 
you have no reasons to feel your data too secure.They are not secure.


And user's phone code often implemented in very lame manner - usually 
it is trivial to remove it or dump it's value.So, no, if you your lost 
phone, phonecode will rather cause it to be removed and phone never 
returned to you.While fair people will be effectively prevented from 
contacting you.So this can even work against phone owner.


I can see two different approaches here.

1) You care about your data and do not care too much about phone is 
returned to you.
The real way to protect all user data from unauthorized use in quite 
powerful manner is to use file system encryption.This will make all 
things protected.Phone book, calendar, notes and all your files.This 
costs though. Filesystem will be slower and due to heavy CPU use battery 
will exhaust faster. Everything has it's price, privacy too.


If someone is willing to implement this ever, there is funny hint, just 
invented by me: long password is pain in the ass to type at boot 
time.And short password is easy to bruteforce. So, you can store long 
encryption key in SIM as phone number and name in SIM address 
book.Access to SIM is protected by short PIN which is hard to brute 
since you only have 3 attempts to go and SIM is pretty secure thing 
:).So user have to enter just short PIN but this will cause powerful 
encryption key to become accessible from SIM's address book.And those 
who do not know pin will not have access to this key since SIM cards are 
refusing address book access without entering proper PIN code IIRC.


This can make data pretty secure.But... evil persons will just erase all 
this and reload factory flash image so they can use the phone.Good 
persons will be prevented from contacting you up to some degree since 
phone gives no access to address book.Idea with displaying your contact 
info on boot splash\password request screen can help though.


2) You do care about phone return and do not care too much about 
unauthorised data access.
Then another approach can be good: phone should allow all access to all 
data as usually, any SIM should be OK, etc.Recommended setting is no PIN 
and no phonecode.But it should silently send it's coordinates to let's 
say, e-mail to your mailbox or SMSes to a friendly number(your second 
phone number or friend, etc).SMSes will also expose bad guy's phone 
number to you (your friend, etc).So, bad guys can use phone and access 
all your data.But it will silently track them a bit so you can return 
your phone easily.Actually there should be no restrictions in data 
access or features.Otherwise phone will be reflashed by evil people and 
tracking will be stopped so your chances to find your phone will become 
pretty low (IMEI tracking is proven to be quite ineffective since not 
each and every operator on the planet does this and they're cooperate 
poorly enough). Well this will leave all or some data accessible to bad 
guys.Tracking their location and new SIM's phone number in exchange.


I see no effective way to combine these 2 different goals.One is 
prevents access to data but this will enforce bad guys to do full 
reflashing.Killing your (unusable) data but getting working (usable) 
phone.Another approach makes guys to believe phone is not defends itself 
and not secured.While it really silently tracks evildoers.



I read this page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/My_Account

I put together few points on the login manager:
http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/openmoko/docs/login-manager.pdf

I am not sure if I have missed any user scenarios.
Thoughts/suggestions/feedback appreciated. Just replace .pdf to .odt
in the above to get the OpenOffice document.

If login access has already been addressed in OpenMoko, please let me
know. I hope this is clarified before mass market.

Thanks,

Shakthi

  



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test message

2007-08-11 Thread Marc Verwerft
Robin Paulson wrote:
is anyone else not getting messages from the list again? i see plenty
at lists.openmoko.org from yesterday, but i've received nothing for 24
hours now?

I'm not getting anything either for 2 days now ...

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Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-11 Thread Andy Poling

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, S??bastien Lorquet wrote:

Okay the first image is bitorrenting at:
http://tracker.unsads.com/torrents-details.php?id=3


I'm now leeching, then I'll be another seed... in roughly 18 hrs it looks
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Re: Flashing a new kernel under Mac OS X

2007-08-11 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/8/8, Igor Foox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,

 I've successfully used Nikolaus Schaller's  AJZaurusUSB and OpenMoko
 Flasher applications to flash a new rootfs onto my new Neo. But I
 can't flash a new kernel into it. When I try flashing a kernel with
 OpenMoko Flasher it tries to write it into the rootfs partition
 instead of the kernel partition. I currently don't have access to a
 computer running linux natively, so I can't use dfu-util directly.
 Any suggestions on how to get a new kernel on the device?

What command do you use to flash kernel?

I am also struggling with dfu-util on Mac:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Downloads/OpenMoko
Flasher-1.app/Contents/MacOS/Sources/dfu-util/src$ sudo ./dfu-util -a
3  -R -D 
/Users/cayco/Downloads/uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin

dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name=kernel
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Cannot set alternate interface: usb_set_altinterface: could not set
alternate interface

I use AJZaurusUSB 0.5.3

cayco

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List not Working??

2007-08-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Has the list died?  Nothing for three days now.


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Sean interviewed at LinuxWorld

2007-08-11 Thread Swanepoel, Gareth
Have you guys seen this interview with Sean :

http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/080207-portrait-of-a-linux-iphone-ki
ller.html

It's very interesting look at what he sees this device becoming.

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Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-11 Thread Andrew Clunis
Justyn Butler wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I contacted OpenMoko web shop about my order and quickly got a response
 saying that they would process my order within the week.
 
 Then just now I received my you've been charged email, which is great!
 
 So if anyone else is still worrying about the status of their order, I
 strongly suggest you email the web shop and they will put your fears to
 rest.

What address did you contact them at?

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Re: Incorrect UPS tracking numbers?

2007-08-11 Thread Clare Johnstone
I am nearly happy now,   Jouston Huang  from  online store sent me a
new tracking number, which arrived yesterday Friday afternoon  Aug 10
here, and I found that the phone which was shipped on Aug 7 our time
had arrived in Perth from Singapore late the night before, and was
being processed. I had earlier found out the name of UPS local agent
and rang them, and as soon as I told them where I live they traced it
and  told me it was passed to another carrier who would probably pass
it to Australia Post (as I live outside the Metro area.)  If they try
to deliver  on Monday I might get it Tuesday.. (Delivery time here is
seldom less than a week, so that will be pretty good.)
clare

On 8/8/07, Ulrik Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just got my email too, but no, I don't have the same problem. The area and
 country matches my living address, though I can't find my name mentioned
 anywhere.

 -Ulrik

 On Tuesday 07 August 2007 21:33:25 Roland Dreier wrote:
  I just got my Your order has shipped! email (yay!), but the UPS
  tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my
  name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is).  Did that happen to
  anyone else?
 
  Since I'm also in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm hoping my package
  will already be delivered too when I get home
 
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Flashing a new kernel under Mac OS X

2007-08-11 Thread Igor Foox

Hi,

I've successfully used Nikolaus Schaller's  AJZaurusUSB and OpenMoko  
Flasher applications to flash a new rootfs onto my new Neo. But I  
can't flash a new kernel into it. When I try flashing a kernel with  
OpenMoko Flasher it tries to write it into the rootfs partition  
instead of the kernel partition. I currently don't have access to a  
computer running linux natively, so I can't use dfu-util directly.  
Any suggestions on how to get a new kernel on the device?


Thanks,
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Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-11 Thread Kyle Bassett
Having my own business, I can begin to understand the position of FIC and
their small team trying to process a seemingly endless list of emails on top
of processing the standard orders.  They don't have fringe departments, or
employees for that matter.  No one to sit down and just politely respond to
order inquires all day, every day.  They are overworked, strained, crazy
(just like all of us here :)  ) people that love what they do-and will do
whatever they can to help us take back the mobile phone industry.  Frankly,
they deserve one helluva bonus at the end of this year, although they would
probably be happier if a working Neo was in consumers' hands...

Think about it for a second: all of us who are part of an organization that
use email as an official means of communication essentially check/answer our
emails almost every day, and it takes ridiculously long.  How many emails
have _you_ received today from someone asking about an update?

On the other hand, I can understand the gotta-have-it-right-now feeling of
everyone who does not have a Neo.  Many are itching and screaming for their
uber-geek handheld, so an update every other day or so isn't out of the
question.  Andy makes a good point about how some are feeling:


People just want some sort of information or report on what is *generally*
 happening with regard to orders. Indeed, to paraphrase Michael J Fox,:

 ...They're so thirsty for it, they'll crawl through the desert toward a
 mirage and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand..




And, as Harald said, we are all developers (FIC employees included) trying
to work together, so let's try to act as such...
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Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-11 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
When DNS propagation is complete, both images will be available at
http://mirrors.unsads.com/openmoko

2007/8/9, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Ubuntu does not use a root password.

 User: openmoko
 Pass: openmoko

 Let me know if you have any problems.  I will attempt to help when possible.
  I am in the process of buying a new place and moving, so I might not answer
 right away.

 -Eric

 - Original Message 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 3:56:51 PM
 Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again)

 I just downloaded it from http://openmoko.montgoss.com/


 whats the root password?

 thankS!


  If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image
  that I made several months ago.  A few people have downloaded it, and I am
  not sure how well it works for actual development.  I was able to compile
  everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced.
 
  -Eric
 
  - Original Message 
  From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org
  Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM
  Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again)
 
  There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/
  OpenMoko_under_QEMU .
  QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer:
  http://www.qemu.org/
 
  True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there
  is a
  virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar
  to the
  one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make
  one using
  qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have
  the time
  again before September.
 
 
 
  This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a
  Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming
  console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same
  image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea ..
 
  j.
 
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Re: Resetting the icon theme

2007-08-11 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi,

On 8/10/07, Igor Foox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I first booted the phone after flashing the kernel + rootfs, I
 didn't calibrate the touch screen properly

ssh and run /usr/bin/ts_calibrate on the phone?

SK

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Chinese input for OpenMoko

2007-08-11 Thread Shu Hung (Koala)
Hello,

OpenMoko is developed and produced in Taiwan. And I live in HK.
Both places uses Chinese as the common language.

I'm just curious if there is any plan for Neo1973 to support Chinese input?
If so, in what way? Hand-writing input? Or keyboard input method?


Koala Yeung
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openmoko at CCC

2007-08-11 Thread Paolo Cavallini
http://www.flickr.com/photos/geektechnique/1072377240/in/pool-cccamp07/
sorry if someone already posted this.
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Re: Incorrect UPS tracking numbers?

2007-08-11 Thread Ulrik Rasmussen
I've just received my package, and everything is good! However, there was a 
pretty weird incident in the process. Thursday, I was phoned on my job by the 
driver who would deliver the package to me. He couldn't deliver it because I 
wasn't home, and he required that I confirmed my identity, so I just told him 
that I'd pick it up myself at the nearest UPS the next day.

However, the next day, Friday, the same driver phoned me again, telling me 
that he had _another_ package for me. He was pretty confident that this was 
not the same package, as it had another size (was smaller) than the first 
one. When I showed up at UPS, I asked them if they had two packages for me, 
but the tracking number that I'd received only showed up one package, which 
indeed did contain everything I had ordered.

I'm now afraid that another persons package has been sent to me by accident. 
If anyone has a tracking number that shows them that their package is heading 
for TAASTRUP, DK (Denmark), I think I might know where it is.

-Ulrik

On Tuesday 07 August 2007 21:33:25 Roland Dreier wrote:
 I just got my Your order has shipped! email (yay!), but the UPS
 tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my
 name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is).  Did that happen to
 anyone else?

 Since I'm also in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm hoping my package
 will already be delivered too when I get home

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RE: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.

2007-08-11 Thread Redvers Davies
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 13:20 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Actually, speaking as someone who imports electronic components and
 peripherals for prototype systems from the US all the time, I do know
 what to expect when I import.

Good, then you know that you provide Customs (via the shipping company)
your VAT registration number and then you're not liable for the VAT.



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Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.

2007-08-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 08/03/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]

 the US all the time, I do know what to expect when I import.
  
 Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed 
 both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of 
 the goods, compounded with the value statement, has led to this 
 issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules 
 and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact.

David,

I'm sorry for your troubles. We are doing our best to get these devices
to everyone as fast and (under the current circumstances) as cheap as we
can. I can assure you that the harmonized code is correct on the
invoice. Also, these are standard UPS Worldship invoices, so I'm really
at a loss as to what we did wrong.

Please let me know what exactly what our mistake was and I will
personally make sure this is fixed.

We're committed to getting these kind of issues resolved so phase 2 can
be a really smooth experience for everyone. So I really need your help
here.

-Sean

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Re: Flashing a new kernel under Mac OS X

2007-08-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller


Am 08.08.2007 um 13:01 schrieb Igor Foox:


Hi,

I've successfully used Nikolaus Schaller's  AJZaurusUSB and  
OpenMoko Flasher applications to flash a new rootfs onto my new  
Neo. But I can't flash a new kernel into it. When I try flashing a  
kernel with OpenMoko Flasher it tries to write it into the rootfs  
partition instead of the kernel partition. I currently don't have  
access to a computer running linux natively, so I


Appears to be a bug that I have not discovered myself since I did not  
(yet) try to flash a kernel... I will look at it.


can't use dfu-util directly. Any suggestions on how to get a new  
kernel on the device?


Nikolaus

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Re:Resetting the icon theme

2007-08-11 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Igor Foox writes:

When I first booted the phone after flashing the kernel + rootfs, I
didn't calibrate the touch screen properly, and then when trying to
mess around with the stylus I somehow managed to mess up the gnome
theme.
The current state is that there are no icons showing up and instead I
have little icons with an 'x' in them indicating that there is no
icon.

Those are I couldn't find the pixmap for this icon icons.  Try a
reboot -- I've got absolutely no idea why, but I sometimes see the
icons in that state when I boot, but then a reboot brings them up
properly.

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Re: Dropbear: exit status of remote shell not properly returned to client

2007-08-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

See here:

MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 false ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
0
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ true; echo $?
0
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ true; echo $?
0
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ true; echo $?
0
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ false; echo $?
1
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ false; echo $?
1
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ false; echo $?
1
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
0
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
0
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$



Am 11.08.2007 um 09:05 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:


Does anybody have the same experience?

The symptom is that I sometimes get the correct exit status and  
sometimes a 255 - for the same repeated command. i.e.:


$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
0
$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
255

Using ssh -vvv shows that the debug message:

debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype exit-status reply 0

is missing if ssh returns 255, i.e. dropbear does *not* provide the  
exit status and the client substitutes -1.


This appears to me to be the same bug as in the Changelog (although  
OpenMoko komes with version 0.49)



0.44 - Mon Jan 3 2005

- Avoid a race in server shell-handling code which prevents the  
exit-code

  from being returned to the client in some circumstances.


Does anybody know a fix or is dropbear broken? Or is OpenSSH  
available for OpenMoko?


Nikolaus

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Re: Sean interviewed at LinuxWorld

2007-08-11 Thread Giles Jones


On 11 Aug 2007, at 19:54, Steven ** wrote:


Quoth the article:
However, Moss-Pultz said he is confident that the extreme openness  
of the OpenMoko platform will attract developers and that the  
developers' applications will attract users.  Initially, it'll be  
for savvy users and people who have used open-source products like  
Firefox, he said. But I think we're just six months away from  
being mainstream. When you allow the user to put exactly what they  
want on the device, you exponentially increase the device's value.  
I'm confident we can do it.


6 months?  That's a good sign that they aren't expecting too much  
of a delay for GTA02!




Typical Gartner response in that interview. Who are these industry  
analysts anyway? they just seem to state the obvious. Smartphones  
aren't mainstream, aren't they like 25% of the market maximum? You  
need to be over 50% to be even considered mainstream.



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Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-11 Thread Ian Stirling

Steven ** wrote:
snip

To summarize:  The current delay is not getting phones manufactured.  It 
is dealing with all the orders and status requests they are receiving.  
No news is good news!


I suspect that 99% of people would be completely satisfied with a 
one-line status message from each core-team member, each week.


We do not expect rapid updates, or lengthy emails.

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