Usability team?
Hello! I've been really interested in interface usability and design since I've been taking this HCI course at my university. I've been interested in and following OpenMoko development a little. I'd love to know if and how I can get involved with the OpenMoko project with respect to interface usability and design. Is there a specific team that does this sort of work? Thanks in advance, Justin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usability team?
On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 23:31 -0700, Justin Wong wrote: Hello! I've been really interested in interface usability and design since I've been taking this HCI course at my university. I've been interested in and following OpenMoko development a little. I'd love to know if and how I can get involved with the OpenMoko project with respect to interface usability and design. Is there a specific team that does this sort of work? Hi Justin, The current (2007.2) GUI was designed at OpenedHand by myself and a few others. I wrote about some of the design decisions here: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/08/21/openmoko-20072/ If you have any specific questions though, please let me know. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G status within the US?
ma, 2007-10-08 kello 22:47 -0400, Steve kirjoitti: I wonder why this update can't be done in the field. Field means you. The GSM chip is upgradable by people with the necessary equipment, which will likely mean FIC, and hopefully any co-operating outlets in the future. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please welcome Graeme Gregory
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:13:44 +0200 ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome Greg! good luck! BTW my name is Graeme, if you call me Greg Ill never know who you are talking to :-) Graeme ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please welcome Graeme Gregory
Welcome Greg! good luck! BTW my name is Graeme, if you call me Greg Ill never know who you are talking to :-) Graeme He's got two first names! Sorry Graeme - couldn't resist. I'm sure that is an old one for you though... Welcome to the OM team! -Pete ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Vorbis Support on Nokia N800
Hi all, I have made one ogg player using gstreamer libraries and when i try to run the that on Nokia N800 its not working. It gives me the following error: GLIB WARNING ** Gstreamer - Failed to load plugin: Opening module failed: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstivorbis.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I have installed the ogg- support package and the libgstivorbis.so is there in the /usr/lib/gsteamer-0.10 folder. I have tried all possibilities, but still i am not able to solve this. If anyone has an idea for this , then send me your feedback. Regards, Chetan - Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vorbis Support on Nokia N800
It gives me the following error: GLIB WARNING ** Gstreamer - Failed to load plugin: Opening module failed: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstivorbis.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I have installed the ogg- support package and the libgstivorbis.so is there in the /usr/lib/gsteamer-0.10 folder. Maybe you should try this, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/gsteamer-0.10 Alex Zhang ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vorbis Support on Nokia N800
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:46:35 +0200, chetan nanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have made one ogg player using gstreamer libraries and when i try to run the that on Nokia N800 its not working. It gives me the following error: GLIB WARNING ** Gstreamer - Failed to load plugin: Opening module failed: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstivorbis.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I have installed the ogg- support package and the libgstivorbis.so is there in the /usr/lib/gsteamer-0.10 folder. Try running ldd /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstivorbis.so -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Suggestions for future hardware revisions
Hello community, what do you think of the following possible new hardware additions: 1) NFC (Near Field Communication), see http://www.nfc-forum.org/home This seems likely to become a new craze in the mobile industry - perhaps it is a good idea to already keep an eye on it (I think that Nokia already brought out a phone with such capability) and start looking out for hardware components with open drivers or perhaps even try to initiate such endeavours. 2) More than one (at least two) SIM card slots, preferably active at the same time (!). There are SIM card splitters available, but they only allow one card to be selected at startup time (because the phone of course does not know about the two cards). BTW, did anyone have any luck with putting such a splitter into the Neo? I'm using multiple cards in different phones (business, private, SMS, i.e. depending on use and contract/plan) and it would be just great to have a phone that allows to select which SIM (i.e. contract) to use on-the-fly and also makes it possible to be reachable under all the different numbers on the same device. There are phones which support additional multi SIM add-ons (mostly integrated in a larger battery backpack), but AFAIK there is no phone that does this out-of-the-box. Even if there were - I'd very much like my Freed Phone to be able to do that! ;o) Greetings to all ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto
There's a Homebrew Mobile Phone Club? I am so on the wrong coast. On 10/8/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, this conflicts with the monthly Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club Meeting. Perhaps they would like to join us for beer afterwards. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??
Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Hmmm. Does it mean that (all real programmers use vi and all real programmers use perl) or that (a programmer using vi is real and a programmer using perl is real) or that (a programmer not using vi or not using perl is virtual)? Am I ok wrt to speculations at least? (To be real or to be virtual? That is the question...) Rodolphe Actually virtual programmers are all the rage right now, so maybe using perl and/or vi actually *IS* outdated. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Shipping-(Cost-)Information (esp. to germany)
Dear community, because that is my first posting here, I would like to introduce myself. I'm Kevin (you can also say Kev as nick), a german student in a grammar school for information technology. I prefer to use open source software and so I am very interesing in the openmoko project. I first heard about it in the chaosradio (http://chaosradio.ccc.de) and since that I like openmoko with its philosophy. I'm thinking about buying the developer preview and investing some time, maybe I could help the project a little bit making openmoko great. First I visited openmoko.com and noticed that I couldn't find any information about shipping. I think it would be awesome to provide these informations. I can't imagine whether it costs 50$ or 5$, if it needs 5 days or 5 weeks for shipping. There is no need for an exact price, but I would like to know approximate informations. Thank you for the answer, Kev ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping-(Cost-)Information (esp. to germany)
Welcome. You'll find a lot of information on the Wiki. It doesn't have actually prices, but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ#How_much_does_it_cost_to_ship_to_.3Fhas your answer. -Steven On 10/9/07, Kevin Zuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear community, because that is my first posting here, I would like to introduce myself. I'm Kevin (you can also say Kev as nick), a german student in a grammar school for information technology. I prefer to use open source software and so I am very interesing in the openmoko project. I first heard about it in the chaosradio (http://chaosradio.ccc.de) and since that I like openmoko with its philosophy. I'm thinking about buying the developer preview and investing some time, maybe I could help the project a little bit making openmoko great. First I visited openmoko.com and noticed that I couldn't find any information about shipping. I think it would be awesome to provide these informations. I can't imagine whether it costs 50$ or 5$, if it needs 5 days or 5 weeks for shipping. There is no need for an exact price, but I would like to know approximate informations. Thank you for the answer, Kev ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto
Indeed, and many participants are active on this list as well. There is a good flow of information between the lists. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: There's a Homebrew Mobile Phone Club? I am so on the wrong coast. On 10/8/07, *Michael Shiloh* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, this conflicts with the monthly Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club Meeting. Perhaps they would like to join us for beer afterwards. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OpenMoko talk at Ontario Linux Fest, October 13, Toronto, Canada
The attendees are mostly Linux fans but I'm guessing most of them won't know much about OpenMoko If you're going to cover anything that wasn't covered in the Tossug talk[1], could you try to get your talk filmed and made available to us? [1] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8574715471341709984 Regards, Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dev mess
Hi. Updated OE/OM with MokoMakefile a few times. - dropbear has no /etc/rc*.d/ links anymore There is a postinst script, tho - matchbox-window-manager does not get linked w/ update-alternatives - libmatchbox is gone So I have no X. Together, I had an image in qemu that showed me a progressbar that stopped and I had no way of accessing the image. So I had to remove psplash. When I removed psplash from various RDEPENDS, the Makefile happily kept rebuilding and including it. Until I removed task-openmoko a bit too rough after which it complained it could not find task-openmoko-* (which is correct since the ipkgs were gone; why not try to recreate those ipkgs and (thus) give me a nice warning about what I should do?) Are there some timestamps in use when building things, instead of looking at the things? Which things are replaced by timestamps? Where are the docs or testing scripts for this? Finally, I created an image again, which I can look into. That's when I could see the errors at the start of my post. The big Q for me is, Did I Bork my DevEnv thoroughly enough, such that I must reinstall? Or should I keep trying `bitbake -c rebuild *` until things work again? like for webkit, which I never even touched myself :( [No, it's working fine] That's not my definition of fine. Where should I send the series of bugreports on dropbear and matchbox, then? [Yes, you borked it] How the *** do I prevent that next time?!? Finally, `make flash-qemu-local` fails about 90% of the time on timeouts. If I do not kill the qemu by hand, I can keep trying indefinitely. I handcrafted a few build/qemu/openmoko/flash-*sh files with parts of flash.sh to be faster. That's not how a dev env is supposed to work. The most_recent script using python is ab-so-lutely wrong. It has no clue what most recent constitutes. Is it the -ipkg- insertion? The Sep/Oct ordering? Why doesn't it look at the 2007mmdd part? or the mtime of the rootfs? I can't read the python, it's too perlish. Am I the only one using `make flash-qemu-local` this month? Bye, Kero. PS: I'm getting tired of this. libgsmd/tool destroys my August image after a bit of messing. I can not use the current state of libgsmd since there's no dbus inside it. I can not run fresh images since the dev env isn't quite what I want it to be (tho I suppose I can work on some low-level things without X. Working without dropbear/ssh is virtually impossible, especially when there's no X(term) to start it from. You got the ruby packages and gtk2+glade2 bindings from me, but they're not in bitbake format; do you expect me to be able to wrap things in bitbake if my dev env runs the risk of getting borked any minute? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping-(Cost-)Information (esp. to germany)
Kevin Zuber a écrit : Dear community, because that is my first posting here, I would like to introduce myself. I'm Kevin (you can also say Kev as nick), a german student in a grammar school for information technology. I prefer to use open source software and so I am very interesing in the openmoko project. I first heard about it in the chaosradio (http://chaosradio.ccc.de) and since that I like openmoko with its philosophy. I'm thinking about buying the developer preview and investing some time, maybe I could help the project a little bit making openmoko great. First I visited openmoko.com and noticed that I couldn't find any information about shipping. I think it would be awesome to provide these informations. I can't imagine whether it costs 50$ or 5$, if it needs 5 days or 5 weeks for shipping. There is no need for an exact price, but I would like to know approximate informations. Thank you for the answer, Kev Hi Kev, I think, you have to make a fake order in order to view all the shipping details Sébastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping-(Cost-)Information (esp. to germany)
KeKeSeB schrieb: Kevin Zuber a écrit : Dear community, because that is my first posting here, I would like to introduce myself. I'm Kevin (you can also say Kev as nick), a german student in a grammar school for information technology. I prefer to use open source software and so I am very interesing in the openmoko project. I first heard about it in the chaosradio (http://chaosradio.ccc.de) and since that I like openmoko with its philosophy. I'm thinking about buying the developer preview and investing some time, maybe I could help the project a little bit making openmoko great. First I visited openmoko.com and noticed that I couldn't find any information about shipping. I think it would be awesome to provide these informations. I can't imagine whether it costs 50$ or 5$, if it needs 5 days or 5 weeks for shipping. There is no need for an exact price, but I would like to know approximate informations. Thank you for the answer, Kev Hi Kev, I think, you have to make a fake order in order to view all the shipping details Sébastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Steven ** schrieb: Welcome. You'll find a lot of information on the Wiki. It doesn't have actually prices, but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ#How_much_does_it_cost_to_ship_to_.3F http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ#How_much_does_it_cost_to_ship_to_.3F has your answer. -Steven Hi Sébastien and Steven, thank you for your fast answer and useful hint. I tried it and got the following prices: Worldwide_expedited 50,51 USD Saver 52,87 USD Worldwide_express 54,47 USD Worldwide_express_Plus 86,39 USD Links for explanations about the shipping-options are in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes:phase1_Poland (if somesone is searching for it, too) Kev ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dev mess
Hi Kero, First off, perhaps you can explain a bit more about what you are trying to achieve with your set up. There are pre-built images available from buildhost.openmoko.org. Could you describe the problems with libgsmd and gsmd in a bit more detail? If you find the Neo1973 is completely locking up, then it is likely your Neo1973 is set up to multiplex the gsm and serial port. This can be disabled by editing a parameter in u-boot. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dev mess
I don't know how to achieve it, but there should be a stable integration branch somewhere to avoid the risk of breaking everything at every svn commit... from openmoko and from other projects... Maybe a stable-srcdates thing? 2007/10/9, Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Kero, First off, perhaps you can explain a bit more about what you are trying to achieve with your set up. There are pre-built images available from buildhost.openmoko.org. Could you describe the problems with libgsmd and gsmd in a bit more detail? If you find the Neo1973 is completely locking up, then it is likely your Neo1973 is set up to multiplex the gsm and serial port. This can be disabled by editing a parameter in u-boot. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: still having trouble getting Neo to boot Qtopia from SD
Because I couldn't get booting from SD to work with either Qtopia or OpenMoko, I tried the other option ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973#Qtopia_AND_OpenMoko_Option_1). It doesn't work, either. The gui vanishes and the last few lines (after lots of lines related to pressing buttons/touching the screen) are: FreeFontPath: FPE built-ins refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs3 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa3 xinit: unexpected signal 15. PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 I've got no idea what any of this means. o.o Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Ortwin On 10/7/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried pretty much exactly the steps you described but I can't get booting from SD card to work, neither for Qtopia not for OpenMoko I must be missing something. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD seems to suggest that you need to use a specially prepared kernel. Is this so? Any ideas what else could be the problem? Unfortunately the Neo resets so fast when trying to boot from SD that I can't really read what's going on. Ortwin On 9/27/07, Piotr Duda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ian douglas pisze: [...] So Piotr, could you maybe please post your bash_history for us to see what exactly you did, to get this going? I'd be happy to edit the wiki page for Qtopia on the Neo for booting from SD if I can just get this going -- but experimentation is just frustrating when others obviously have already tried Qtopia on the Neo. Thanks, Ian I have repeated all the steps once again, and below is everything I had to do (as I wrote earlier, I didn't have to add uboot menu). I have verified that both Qtopia from SDcard and Openmoko from nand memory are booting. Still don't have working sound in Qtopia and no time to play with it now. Please notice that I used kernel not from Qtopia site, but most recent I have downloaded for Openmoko. [root: ~] # modprobe mmc_block [root: ~] # modprobe mmc_core [root: ~] # modprobe sdhci [root: ~] # [root: ~] # ls -l /dev/mmcblk0* brw-r- 1 root disk 252, 0 wrz 27 20:08 /dev/mmcblk0 brw-r- 1 root disk 252, 1 wrz 27 20:08 /dev/mmcblk0p1 [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) Etykieta systemu plików= Typ OS: Linux Rozmiar bloku=1024 (log=0) Rozmiar fragmentu=1024 (log=0) 123952 i-węzłów, 495460 bloków 24773 bloków (5.00%) zarezerwowanych dla superużytkownika Pierwszy blok danych=1 Maksymalna liczba bloków systemu plików=67633152 61 grup bloków 8192 bloków w grupie, 8192 fragmentów w grupie 2032 i-węzłów w grupie Kopie zapasowe superbloku zapisane w blokach: 8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729, 204801, 221185, 401409 Zapis tablicy i-węzłów: zakończono Tworzenie kroniki (8192 bloków): wykonano Zapis superbloków i podsumowania systemu plików: wykonano Ten system plików będzie automatycznie sprawdzany co każde 33 montowań lub co 180 dni, zależnie co nastąpi pierwsze. Można to zmienić poprzez tune2fs -c lub -i. [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # ls -l /media/card/ razem 12 drwx-- 2 root root 12288 wrz 27 20:17 lost+found [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # tar -C /media/card/ -xzf Download/ficgta01- qtopia-developer-rootfs.tgz [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # ls /media/card/ bin boot dev etc home lib lost+found media mnt opt proc sbin sys tmp usr var [root: ~] # [root: ~] # ls /media/card/boot/ zImage [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # cp Download/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin/media/card/boot/ [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # cd /media/card/boot/ [root: /media/card/boot] # ls -l razem 1608 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1637614 wrz 27 20:29 uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 wrz 27 20:27 zImage - zImage-2.6.21.6-moko11 [root: /media/card/boot] # ln -s uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.binuImage [root: /media/card/boot] # [root: /media/card/boot] # [root: /media/card/boot] # [root: /media/card/boot] # ls -l razem 1608 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 wrz 27 20:30 uImage - uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1637614 wrz 27 20:29 uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 wrz 27 20:27 zImage - zImage-2.6.21.6-moko11 [root: /media/card/boot] # [root: /media/card/boot] # [root: /media/card/boot] # [root: /media/card/boot] # cd [root: ~] # [root: ~] # [root: ~] # umount /media/card [root: ~] # [root: ~] # and that's it... Piotr P.S. sorry for output in polish, but it is nothing important... good luck
Looking for debug board near Hildesheim/Germany
Well, it had to happen sooner or later. I thought it might be a good idea to try different u-boot versions to get around my little dual boot problem. It wasn't. My Neo doesn't want to power on anymore. So is there anyone who can fix my Neo with their fancy debug board reasonably near Hildesheim? I'd rather drive over personally than send the thing via post if it can be avoided. From tomorrow until Saturday I'll be in Frankfurt for the book fair so if you are in that area you could help me out, too, if you answer fast. Unfortunately I don't know if I'll have easy internet access down there and of course I won't have a phone... :P Please help me! Ortwin Regel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dev mess
First off, perhaps you can explain a bit more about what you are trying to achieve with your set up. There are pre-built images available from buildhost.openmoko.org. As a developer, I want to be able to extend and add software to OpenMoko. Afaik this can be done wih separate ipkgs, as well as building your own image. For reasons of accepting my additions and changes, I think I'll need the second, eventually. Creating ipkgs is smoother when using bitbake in the local part of the OE tree, too. All the rest is a consequence of that desire. Things just break. They shouldn't, imho, but they do. So, on a reasonably fresh update (today, as well as last Thu evening) both dropbear and the graphical environment are broken. Let's start with dropbear. It's simpler. Is dropbear broken for other people updating their OM dev env? Could you describe the problems with libgsmd and gsmd in a bit more detail? If you find the Neo1973 is completely locking up, then it is likely your Neo1973 is set up to multiplex the gsm and serial port. This can be disabled by editing a parameter in u-boot. After using libgsmd on gsmd for a bit, something starts spitting out lots of P[ or something like it. Fills the console of the Neo easily. Then it stops spitting. Neo locks up, reboot necessary. Spitting of stuff happens, without me using libgsmd or gsmd, even with symlinks in /etc/rc*.d removed. Succeful booting becomes impossible, I do not get an ssh connection going anymore. Neo might be locked at that point, but I can not verify that. Reinstall needed. So far, I have absolutely not been able to figure anything out. Is it the kernel? likely. Which part causes it? communication by gsmd, I'd guess. Specific communication? I need CPIN and I haven't seen a GUI app that requests a PIN code. So I guess there's only a handful of people using PIN codes. But that's going on a limb. What gets broken? Your guess is as good as mine. One last thing I might try is `ipkg upgrade` on the snapshot of OM2007.2 I do not have a debug board. Bye, Kero. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
